Brian Eno - C or D?

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already embarrassed about my grumbly post. if I ever say anything about the 90's output, it's only because the 72-85 stretch is so bafflingly inspired. if I ever lost my record collection I'd be buying most of these back first.

(Jon L), Thursday, 22 January 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, "The True Wheel"--that song has _four chords_ in it, and it sounds like the lushest deepest most complicated thing ever.

"Uh-oh!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 January 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Strange, I've just sung through "The true wheel" in my head and can only count three... oh, just got to the end part where the fourth chord comes in. Sorry. My God, what a song!

"Ding ding!"

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 23 January 2004 08:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone that even cosiders sayind "dud" is loco. Amazing, influential, smartest man in music, etc. I want him to be my dad.

anode (anode), Friday, 23 January 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
One thing I don't think I've said about Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy is that I got a copy* around the time that I had just about lost my belief in Christian doctrine, so it took on kind of a heavy symbolic weight of the scarey, uncertain, world of religious disbelief. (Obviously I hadn't only listened to Christian music up until then. That's not the point.) I want to exmphasize, this is a symbolic purpose I was giving it: I don't think it has much to do with the album itself (although it is kind of interesting in light of some things I've read by him essential outlining an anti-fundamentalism--of whatever source--stance). Just the cover itself took on a certain weight, and I wasn't totally happy about it. It didn't look like an especially happy world (and I've never been unambivalently attracted to hipster jadedness, if I've ever been attracted by it at all), but it seemed somewhat inevitable that I would be joining it. Graphically, it was: the cover of Taking Tiger Mountain vs. the dull blue cover of Cornelius Van Til's Defense of the Faith (given to me by my brother-in-law). I think I was more visually oriented then. Anyway, book covers or album covers could easily become suffused with an emotional coloring.


*I can't remember if I bought a copy or received it as a gift, but probably the latter. I used to get my older brother to buy me "weird"** records for my birthday and Christmas.

**I think he thought it was weird anyway (judging by his response to what I listened to on the radio), but I think he was a little amused to watch me growing up and getting into punk and new wave, and new bands he hadn't heard of, or other stuff that seemed esoteric to him. I think he may have bought me this album, the first Psychedelic Furs album, and Fripp's Let the Power Fall, and some a John Coltrane collection, all at my request. Now I'm getting all sentimental about my older brother. I miss being close to my family, and it's all Brian Eno's fault--well, not exactly.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Inspired by o. nate, sort of.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic!

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

that was a great post, rockist. thanks.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost Interesting story rockist. Still, Taking Tiger is Brian Eno at his worst/most/annoying (lyrically) to me. What about the lyrics hit home for you?

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It wasn't the lyrics, it was more the entire package (literally). I don't have a functional copy of the album right now, so I haven't heard it for a while.

Possibly the fact that I often couldn't make out the lyrics or didn't know what he was talking about contributed to my liking the songs. "With Burgundy, Tizer and Rye/Twelve sheets of foolscap: don't ask me why." I'm still largely in the dark about these lines, for example. I think I only found out what foolscap is in the last few years and I've already forgotten the details.

I kind of like the lyrics to "True Wheel." I am looking at a lyrics page now, and I find myself saying, oh, is that how it goes? I really am not even hearing what he's saying a lot of the time.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The lyrics are not the first thing I noticed about TTM(BS) either. I mean some of the lines (e.g., "burning airlines give you so much more") kind of stick in my mind, but I think that's more a function of being wedded to a good melody. I was in a bar where this guy I know works and he was playing songs from his iPod over the stereo. At one point I asked him, Is this the Thinking Fellers? And he said, no it's Brian Eno. Then later another song came on, and I asked him if it was the Swell Maps. Again it was Eno. It turns out both songs were on TTM(BS). That's when I knew I needed to hear the rest of the album.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, yeah, hearing eno (after soo much indie stuff) really is amazing (and it seems like he just pulled half of it out of his ass) xpost

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic, for all his instrumental music from the start to the end, and for 'A year With Swollen Appendices' (in my opinion anyway)

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm curious: is there anyone reading this thread who's never listened to Eno? Anyone been inspired to after all the hosannas here?

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I really haven't heard enough !!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I find "Put A Straw Under Baby" hilarious (as a fallen catholic). Taking Tiger Mountain is the only of his solo/pop records I like. for his ambient work - Music For Airports, Discreet Music, and the Fripp/Eno ones are great.

sherm, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i have two eno records.

music for airports = nice but forgettable, put aside after a couple of listens.

apollo = stunningly beautiful, one of my most played albums in recent times.

with this in mind, what next?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I had only heard some of his ambient stuff up until a few months ago! (not couting roxy music!)

artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

try no pussyfooting, with fripp.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I rate his first 4 rock LPs classic. "Tiger Mountain" contains some of the best words I know. "Before and After Science" is very strong, esp. the "rhythm" side. As for the later stuff, I like "Nerve Net" and his collab with Cale "One Way Up." Not such a big fan of a lot of his ambient music, fine as it is. I'd put "Green World" and his Jon Hassell collab from '80 at the top of the list myself. Reading his diary I do get the impression he's a pretentious little guy, but he's done a lot so I suppose he earned it.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic, for most of the reasons already stated. If you're interested, there is an excellent, but long, article by Lester Bangs on Eno. You can read it here:

http://www.furious.com/perfect/bangseno.html

erv (Abe Froman), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

classicclassicclassicclassicclassicclassicclassicclassicclassicclassic

a musical genius, the godfather of Ambient, the mastermind of warm synthesis, although the cause of a lot of shit (ie damp snares in 80s music from Low) still one of the true heads!

A let me emphasize his Ambient series - i don't understand why anyone hasn't yet. On Land, man! and lets not mention the second side of Day of Radiance with Laraaji (the first side i admit being...well). Most of my feelings on Before and After Science, Another Green World have meen mentioned.

And on a last note, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts is fucking ingenius record :)

Rob McD (Rob McD), Thursday, 22 July 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

1st three solo albums are indespencable, punch your mom in the throat and steal money from her purse to buy these records, you need them. solo album #4 before and after sicence was an over considered creative disaster and not worth your hard earned record money, this record was why he stopped making rock records. after this you need anything he did with Harold Budd, you need Low by David Bowie, Oh Jesus Christ do you need Low by David Bowie, rob a bank get Low by David Bowie, pilfer from the sunday collection plate, knock over an old lady, buy a copy of Low by David Bowie, assasinate George W for Al Queda bounty money, decapitate a government contractor... whatever you need to do, get a copy of Low by David Bowie, you need Ambient 4: On Land, and Apollo, AM2 Plateau of Mirrors. Buy copies of Brian Eno and the vertical color of sound by Eric Tamm, and A Year With Swollen Appendices by Brian Eno, as these books will make your life infinitely more mysterious and interesting and delicious. Do what you need to do, I cannot force your hand, but seriously get the books, you will thank me later.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

christ, I drink a bunch of alcohol and then a bunch of coffee, and all of a sudden I cannot spell.

seriously, listen to the title track from Taking Tiger Mountain or the first track on Warm Jets and get back to me, you will be a convert y0.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 22 July 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You know what else I think? I think Kate Bush's The Dreaming bears a strange resemblance to Taking Tiger Mountain, thematically (all the secret agent drama, the Asian references). The lyrics aren't goofy the same way as Eno's, and the albums certainly don't sound the same, but the imaginary scenarios seem a bit similar (even if Eno's are more indeterminate).

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I like The Dreaming again. I like almost everything at the moment. My brain may be overheated.

My neighbors must wonder what's up when they walk by my apartment door and hear me playing music with English lyrics.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 22 July 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand how anyone could be so hostile toward before and after science. I don't much like the first couple songs but c'mon, the second side is beautiful. julie with? by this river? these are undeniable!

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

absolutely, anthony. the second side of before + after science is the music i'd like to hear in my dreams.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

and you forgot the climax. through hollow lands. there we arrive in a land where nobody has ever been. between dream and enlightenment. i could listen to this for the rest of my life on repeat.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a new Fripp/Eno CD

dleone (dleone), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That's right, I remember reading that one was in the works. I'm not too optimistic about it, but as soon as anyone hears it, please give a response.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 23 July 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand how anyone could be so hostile toward before and after science. I don't much like the first couple songs but c'mon, the second side is beautiful. julie with? by this river? these are undeniable!

It is the only 70's eno record I do not care for. I just felt the production was not quite up to snuff, he polished it too much. Everything Eno did no that record he did better on previous albums. I found it funny that I did not care for the record, and unbeknownst to me Eno actually echoed my complaints when he discussed that record in interviews in the late 70's.

It isn't a horrible record, it is just that he has a lot of material from that period of time and your money is better spent elsewhere in the back catalogue. And while I am thinking about it, you should probably pick up Cluster and Eno because that it good stuff.

Also, has anyone ever heard that the live The 801 bootleg from 76?

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Saturday, 24 July 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a half hour video of Paul Morley interviewing Brian Eno that went out on Channel 4 about ten years ago, it's fucking brilliant. I'll be BitTorrenting it as soon as I can devise a way of getting video tape into my iBook.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Saturday, 24 July 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody's mentioned the first Ultravox record and that's probably the one he'd like to forget too. Imagine if "My Sex" had been done by Japan, tho

dave q, Saturday, 24 July 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Why astigmatism?" I wondered.

"I'm terribly attracted to women with ocular damage."

Classic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 24 July 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, has anyone ever heard that the live The 801 bootleg from 76?

that's an official live album, is it not? i bought it a few months ago, it's great! the sound of the live recording is amazing. some terrific renditions of songs from another green world and taking tiger mountain (by strategy).

willem (willem), Saturday, 24 July 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm afraid I will have to get the new Fripp & Eno thing.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 July 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually listening to it right now. Fripp is playing really delicately on this, not sure I've heard him sound exactly like this before. "Lyra" is great. So far, not a disappointment at all.

dleone (dleone), Saturday, 24 July 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Utter classic. A lot of what I'd talk about has been covered, but if you can find the self-titled Cluster/Eno record, it is a BEAUTY.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck it, just get the Cluster records w/out Eno. They were much better w/out his influence.

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Saturday, 24 July 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cluster Thread

Fripp / Eno : The Equatorial Stars

(Jon L), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(not to short-circuit further conversation about either subject on this thread, by any means)

(Jon L), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
So, this thread did inspire me to get some Eno, in answer to Douglas' question above. I've never heard any before, and am not even familiar with most of his production work.

I've downloaded Taking Tiger Mountain, Warm Jets, and Another Green World. The first two are still keeping me at a distance. Another Green World came through without a track order, so I listened to it at first in alphabetical order, without knowing that it wasn't the correct version. I LOVED it; a wonderful album. Then I discovered that it was mixed up and resorted the songs; I HATED it! blech. Starting with Sky Saw, St Elmos Fire at the start... it didn't work for me.

I'm really happy with my version, though. Try it; I'd love to know what people who know the real version think of the reorder:

Another Green World
Becalmed
Everything Merges With the Night
Golden Hours
I'll Come Running
In Dark Trees
Little Fishes
Over Fire Island
Sky Saw
Sombre Reptiles
Spirits Drifting
St. Elmo's Fire
The Big Ship
Zawinul/Lava

derrick (derrick), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't that just alphabetical order?

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 9 August 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Incidentally I have listened to it in that order and the original ordering (and the only 'correct' order IMO) is much more satisfying to listen to.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 9 August 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/magazine/04funny_humor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

man like simon reynolds linked to this. it's v funny. i don't think the people in it are rockists.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Funnily enough, I was in the pub last night and somebody put one of the bonus tracks on Love's "Forever Changes" on the jukebox. This was like 15 minutes of the band trying to play "Your Mind and We Belong Together". This consisted of the band playing the opening bars to the song and Arthur Lee stopping them and getting them to do it again and occasionally berating the guitarist - by the 7th or 8th time this happened, people in the bar were beginning to get pretty annoyed

Who Are You... The Nerve... I Wanna Get Out, I Wanna Get Out (Dada), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Classic up to and including "Before And After Science" and his work with Bowie. Dud thereafter (but still classic as a composer, and on his collaboration with David Byrne)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:36 (twenty years ago)

Ew I hate Brian Eno, he ruins everything he touches (equatorial stars is actually okay, even if only obviously because of fripp).

Also Reynolds in utterly misunderstanding a simple concept shockah. What exactly do you suppose a Lester Bangs puff piece is the hallmark of?

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost I rest my case!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 09:46 (twenty years ago)

lol wtf

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1243885900655720

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2026 18:26 (two months ago)

screenshot?

beard papa, Thursday, 12 March 2026 19:31 (two months ago)

It's a "reel," so not sure how to embed it ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2026 19:32 (two months ago)

Damn it, I quit Facebook and now I am missing out on Eno content.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 12 March 2026 19:34 (two months ago)

I could describe it
It's a video of Roger Eno in bed, asleep, while Serge Gainsbourg plays in the background. He rolls over to a stuffed frog on the pillow next to him, gives it a kiss, then the frog turns into Brian. Roger opens his eyes, sees his smiling brother, then yelps in shock. Beneath the clip it says "tomorrow? #wsd?"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2026 19:37 (two months ago)

"wtf" is right

beard papa, Thursday, 12 March 2026 19:41 (two months ago)

It's on insta too

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVy0b_oCAoN/?hl=en

138,683 Serious, Earnest Americans Emphasize Demand for Prepar (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2026 19:51 (two months ago)

Not on Insta either, but that’s ok. Does Roger have hair or are they a couple of cueballs?

Cow_Art, Thursday, 12 March 2026 21:58 (two months ago)

It's there when I clickthrough ...

Roger not only has hair, he has a big beard.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2026 21:59 (two months ago)

They should take a promo photo of Brian’s head under Roger’s chin so his beard looks like Brian’s hair.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 12 March 2026 22:59 (two months ago)

i do wonder what they're teasing. another live gig? I still haven't watched the Athens one all the way through

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 12 March 2026 23:42 (two months ago)

Today is World Sleep Day. Link in bio to listen to “Tributary” by Roger Eno, and “Afterlife” by Beatie Wolfe & Brian Eno.
#worldsleepday

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2026 13:26 (two months ago)

My 11 year old has gone to sleep listening to Thursday Afternoon practically her entire life.

Cow_Art, Friday, 13 March 2026 14:58 (two months ago)

Seems like most of Eno's solo music from the 70s is missing from Spotify.

138,683 Serious, Earnest Americans Emphasize Demand for Prepar (President Keyes), Monday, 16 March 2026 17:36 (two months ago)

Good.

WmC, Monday, 16 March 2026 17:44 (two months ago)

they're off apple music as well so it's likely some label licensing shift

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 16 March 2026 19:12 (two months ago)

Everything seems to be intact on Tidal UK.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 16 March 2026 19:19 (two months ago)

Also Tidal in the US.

WmC, Monday, 16 March 2026 20:28 (two months ago)

Not on Qobuz, afaict.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2026 20:59 (two months ago)

Hmmm, correction, Here Come the Warm Jets and Before and After Science are missing.

WmC, Monday, 16 March 2026 23:30 (two months ago)

...and now they're back.

I will edit thread titles like no one has ever seen before (WmC), Sunday, 22 March 2026 03:49 (two months ago)

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZM4fST2ts8

Maresn3st, Monday, 4 May 2026 20:39 (one month ago)

https://i.redd.it/5w8nib65crxg1.jpeg

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 May 2026 23:31 (three weeks ago)

I may have mentioned it elsewhere, but a while back I decided to fill out my ambient collection, so I bought Thursday Afternoon and Ambient 2: The Plateaux of Mirrors on good old-fashioned compact disc. There are few things more nostalgic than pulse code modulation. Every time I play Thursday Afternoon I like to imagine that I'm a mid-80s hipster living in a converted warehouse in New York. Tinkering with my new Apple Macintosh.

However Ambient 4 and Fourth World seem to have gone out of print. On Amazon.co.uk, at least, 4 is only available second-hand (for £29.99), ditto Fourth.

Discogs.com suggests that the last time 4 was issued was back in 2009, which is... several years ago. It's seventeen years ago. Presumably someone at Virgin Records is thinking "shall we reissue it again", and then Dark Kermit says "but it's 2026 and people don't buy compact discs any more". And I'm not sure if it's a contractual thing but Fourth appears to no longer be on Virgin. Apollo seems to only be available as a two-disc extended edition and it's very expensive.

I think the lesson is that if you want to buy something, wait until the hype dies down, but not so long than it becomes unavailable.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 18 May 2026 20:44 (three weeks ago)

Seems like On Land at least is available at more modest prices on Ebay, if not Discogs as well?

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 18 May 2026 21:02 (three weeks ago)

There was an expanded Apollo?!?

Cow_Art, Monday, 18 May 2026 21:05 (three weeks ago)

There was an expanded Apollo?!?

Milton hated the new stuff as I recall but I kind of enjoyed it.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 22 May 2026 04:05 (two weeks ago)


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