Shania Twain's Ramones T-shirt: C/D?

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People will be listening to [the Ramones] in 100 years
FIRE THE CANON!
oh no wait that's not it...

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan, you're likely right in that only select groups of people care about the shirt's connection to the band-as-musicians, but I think that's precisely why such a fizz goes off over it being the Ramones, in this case: there are still these narrow tribes in which certain band affiliations are still assumed to tell us something about the affiliator, however vague or usually wrong; basically the complaint here is that a symbol is being removed from that caste's vocabulary, or anyway deprived of whatever last ounce of meaning they could still place on it. In other words, the horror is "well before I could assume that anyone wearing a Ramones shirt was at least pretending to be punk!" So I say it's a legitimate complaint insofar as, well, yes, the shirt-based "vocabulary" of such people does in fact suddenly have less of the meaning they want it to, and I suppose they have every right to bitch about that.

Alex I think your "wealth of evidence" is exactly the kind of overwrought monitoring I'm talking about: first off, the fact that you see enjoyment of the Ramones and making Shania Twain's music as incompatible doesn't necessarily make it so (any more than her husband's early career is so incompatible with his current one). Second if you're so down on Shania Twain it saddens me that you'd have to go around collecting a "wealth of evidence" about her just to decide whether her shirt's worth criticizing -- I suppose what I'm saying here is that none of us should be wasting our time prying inside people's heads and lives to pass judgment on whether they are or are not "qualified" or "allowed" to wear a given shirt, and no matter how sure you are in this Shania case you're setting yourself up to conduct the same inquisition with everyone, everywhere, to the point of ridiculousness.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"it saddens me that you'd have to go around collecting a "wealth of evidence" about her just to decide whether her shirt's worth criticizing"

Don't be sad, Nabisco. Given her overexposure, the wealth would collect itself without much effort.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:18 (twenty-three years ago)

can people be ironically not fussed?

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

j0hn: "I only like my favorite band so long as no people I don't like like them" -- nuts to that, sez I.

aka "If you think the Ramones are cheapened coz Shania wears them, then they were never yours to begin with.

Nabisco: "In other words, the horror is "well before I could assume that anyone wearing a Ramones shirt was at least pretending to be punk!" So I say it's a legitimate complaint insofar as, well, yes, the shirt-based "vocabulary" of such people does in fact suddenly have less of the meaning they want it to, and I suppose they have every right to bitch about that."

aka "Actually if you think Shania can cheapen The Ramones then they're ALL YOURS."

taking sides!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 January 2003 06:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Sean = sexist ass ;)

I = drunk on a wednesday

blah blah blah

― Kim (Kim), Thursday, 23 January 2003 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

There was a similar controversy in the 80s when Kip Winger wore a Hugo Largo (!) t-shirt in a video, leading to much consternation and re-evaluation of Winger by indie kids ("Well, their drummer was in the Dixie Dregs, and they were kind prog..."). Winger was asked about his fondness for the band in an interview. "They're a band? I just picked it out of a box the wardrobe girl had."

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Let's not forget what's important. She looks hot in that t-shirt and I would not have seen the picture had it not been controversial.
http://www.shaniaforums.com/attachment.php?s=a8f4ac689c4410591c84ec1adc23355d&postid=206468

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 23 January 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Hard to imagine anyone not knowing who the Ramones were anymore
Heyyyyy...was she ever wearing any Ramones shirts before the deaths of Joey and Dee Dee made the Ramones profile much more public?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Sean = sexist ass ;)
Madam, you have distilled my very essence!

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I beg to differ yet again, but she doesn't even look hot in that picture. Yes, she's an attractive woman and yes she's managed to look great in a variety of photographs (including the one where's she's dishonoring AC/DC's fire), but she just looks bad in that pic in the Ramones shirt. Look at it! It just looks so forced! She's a poser!!!!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 23 January 2003 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

c'mon, man.. girl next door... givin' ya li'l tease... wearing her fathers, I mean boyfriend's, t-shirt.

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

She looks airbrushed and carved out of plastic. Yech.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

c'mon, man.. girl next door... givin' ya li'l tease... wearing her fathers, I mean boyfriend's, t-shirt.
Careful, dave, Kim might call YOU a sexist ass, too.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

what's wrong with being sexy?

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

(credit to Nigel Tuffnel, by the way.)

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

D'ya reckon the background to that photo is fake? Who asked Shania to don a Ramones T-shirt and then stand in front of some friggin' mountains and shrubbery?

It's rather incongruous seeing the Ramones in that context - far more jarring than the placing of da bruddas' logo on La Twain's body, when such devices are seen any day on fashion catwalks.

― Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I just assumed that those mountains were part of her backyard, now that she lives in 'em.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you saying Shania's mountians are fake Sean?
Your not helping the sexist rumour here.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 23 January 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Do women in Switzerland need plastic surgery? There's some Shakira tie-in here but damned if I can find the words for it.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 January 2003 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Careful, dave, Kim might call YOU a sexist ass, too.

Dude, don't worry. Just one more of those beers and I probably would have posted "Sean = sexy ass" instead.

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a friend that is a minor league comedian that bought a "Pigface" t-shirt only because the word is usually worth a few laughs. He has never as far as I known ever even heard any of their music, he just thinks the word "pigface" is funny as shit.

― earlnash, Friday, 24 January 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's depressing that one mention of my ass killed this thread. Maybe we should mention Ally's ass or Julian Casablancas' ass to get this thread going again?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 25 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

b-b-but Julian Casablancas ass is all pasty and hairy. We don't want to talk about that.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 25 January 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

mmmm pasty

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

TS: pasty, hairy asses vs. me going out and getting some donuts

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 18:06 (twenty-three years ago)

John, THAT IS NOT A CONTEST!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 January 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I am now in possession of the donuts and I must say that I am utterly persuaded that I made the right decision

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

John, YOU HAVE MADE THE WRONG CHOICE!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Were they honey glazed, chocolate frosted, jelly filled or powdered sugar covered?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

It's brilliant how this thread is suddenly about ass and donuts.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

As is, ahem, widely known, my ass is always suger-covered but seldom honey-glazed. As for the donuts I got a dozen of 'em and enjoyed one jelly-filled and half of a chocolate-chip one. There are more in the kitchen, where the hell are all you guys, we could have donuts & coffee & make mashups of "Still the One" and "Beat on the Brat"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

John, your ass may be sugar coated, but is it punk rock?

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I think by putting sugar-coating on John's ass, he has devalued it. Sugar-coating is more powerful than his ass.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

step off you haytaz, I was sugar-coating back before it became a trend

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

John, you really should honey-glaze your ass.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 January 2003 21:14 (twenty-three years ago)

honey-glaze is the Pro Tools of ass-coating and I will have none of it, if sugar-coating is old guard then I am doing down with the ship

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Sugarist.

― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 25 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

donut update: killed another glazed one instead of cooking a proper lunch. there are two more jelly-filled in the box (amongst others) but I can only pretend to ignore them for so long, anybody who wants one had better get here soon as the clock is ticking on yet another poor donut's short earthly life

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 25 January 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's depressing that one mention of my ass killed this thread. Maybe we should mention Ally's ass or Julian Casablancas' ass to get this thread going again?

Me and a friend discussed my ass in depth tonight. Apparently my clean living has given me back my booty! It's very exciting. Also, the donut I ate today might've helped. I hadn't eaten a donut in like 2 years. BAVARIAN CREME IS DELICIOUS!

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 26 January 2003 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, Ally's ass have finally been invoked, much like Hastur the Unspeakable in the Cthullu chronicles by H.P. Lovecraft. I now proclaim this thread officially dead.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

http://mmmg.bungie.org/hastur/imgs/bighastur.gif
I HAVE BEEN INVOKED, AND I NOW CLAIM THE SOUL OF ALEX IN NYC. COME SLAVE! NOW SERVE YOUR DREAD MASTER!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE! (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

You cannot claim the soul of one who is soulless, o master. I serve only one god. Behold....

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/jaz/best86-3.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

RENOUNCE YOUR ALLEGIENCE TO...UM...AZATHOTH...AND BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR *NEW* MASTER!
*Unleashes Death Pod at Alex in NYC*
DIDN'T BARGAIN ON THE POWER OF THE DEATH POD, DID YA..HUH? *HHUUUNH*! **HUUUUUUNH!!**

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

NOW HONOUR *MY* FIRE!!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

A sqaudrillion paltry death pods are nothing against the awesome majesty of KILLING JOKE! HONOR THE FIRE, SCUM LORD!

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/snakes_left.gif http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/mickeycoleman.GIF http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/snakes_right.gif

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I FEAR NOT YOUR INFERNAL MICKEY MOUSE GHOST IMAGE ILLUSION SPELL ATTACK! THIS IS NOTHING TO THE KING IN YELLOW! YEILD YOUR SOUL TO ME *NOW* ALEX IN NYC!

― HASTUR THE UNSPEAKABLE (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

CURTAINS FOR YOU, INFIDEL!

http://killing-joke.com/bomb.gif

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:26 (twenty-three years ago)

ph34r th3 joke 4nd th3ir fl4ming, er, what ARE those things? radishes?

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, don't you know the only way to get rid of one these damned elder god is to do THIS:

http://www.miskatonic.net/pickman/mythos/prop/sigil1.jpg
BACK BACK to the Hell that spawned Thee! FOUL ELDER THING!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 26 January 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

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