gyptian - holdyuh

I'd also be astonished if you haven't in fact heard it many times Lex, in Australia (which is a crazy place full of idiots granted) I hear it more than the original I think.

the only ones i've heard irl are the nicki minaj version and the funkystepz remix - major lazer remix is nice tho!

"Feel Calm" really is amazing.

cosigning this btw.

The blaze of versions is amazing, but... I just don't like this riddim.

Question for the more clued-in: How often do these things go in this direction, i.e. dancehall hits into rap remixes rather than vice versa?

RTC and Amon and others to thread for the answer to that.

I have always liked soca man Machel Montano and thought with the right push his creative sounds (which go beyond just straight soca) could and should reach a broader audience.

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/29/132442770/gyptian-tiny-desk-concert

Wow, a Gyptian 3 song concert in the National Public Radio office.

11. Gyptian, Hold Yuh “La Roux/ Major Lazer Remix)”

8. Gyptian, “Hold Yuh (Major Lazer Remix)”

Both these remixes kick arse. I quite like the toddla T one as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsld43ShCeM

^^i hear this on the radio all the time now too, like it a lot

was sure he's singing "nyaaaaguuuuh"

funkystepz is the worst name of all time

Waiting for the explosions of cognitive dissonance when Kode 9 fans have to deal with a Hyperdub 12 inch from "Funkystepz".

moeveryone i know who's into hyperdub is also already into funkystepz so there might not be any. now who's got the cognitive dissonance!

uh *everyone

I've been right about every single one of these issues to date lex.

moeveryone i know who's into hyperdub is also already into funkystepz

pretty sure this doesn't include people who live in the u.s.

The soca refix is the one i've been playing constantly for the last year. I'm always surprised that soca / soca remixes don't make more of an impact on the charts.

I've been right about every single one of these issues to date lex.

citing dissensus isn't proof of anything

i'm just saying, i bet there are a lot of people here (like me) who have gotten into hyperdub, but don't care for/about funky.

i listened to some funkystepz tracks on youtube and it sounds like it's put together well, even if it's not my thing. still, that name, ugh.

yeah i guess you can find any combination of fan tastes to prove whatever point you want to make in every case, but treating it as a rule of thumb misrepresents the people actually involved in the scene itself. what australian dubstep fans think has no bearing whatsoever on how either the music or the scene works and i couldn't really care less about it.

Lex on ILX last year:

Post-dubstep (esp. Night Slugs) and UK Funky are all part of the same genre. Those dudes love and respect UK funky in all its guises.

Resident Advisor interview with Bok Bok last year:

Connolly is also swift to dismiss any suggested associations between UK Funky and the label. "I wouldn't want any genre name applied to the label at all," he says sharply. "UK funky is something totally different. It was Crazy Cousinz, Roska and all those dudes back then. I think that UK funky as a genre is pretty much obsolete now. I think it has turned into a big soup of different sounds."

It's pretty much impossible with a global, heavily net-based scene like post-dubstep to have audience attitudes that are entirely different from country to country, at best you've got regional variations and time lag issues whereby the mindset originates in one place and migrates to another.

lol that's l-vis, not bok bok. iirc i was arguing that what NS, then very nascent, was doing was similar enough to funky, and in close enough proximity to it, that it could be discussed on that thread in lieu of anywhere else suitable. i trust that thread is now pure and free of anything except 4hr radio sets and songs that aren't available for anyone to hear?

as for the strawman audience will you bear in mind for once that i know a lot of these people, lol. i'm not going to put words in their mouth about what they think but a lot of the positions you ascribe to them (esp harking on about "dubstep"!) couldn't be further from the truth.

and in this case, not one person i know will have any cognitive dissonance about funkystepz releasing music on hyperdub. (the ep in question is only ok, fwiw; my enjoyment of funkystepz' remixes far outstrips my enjoyment of their own tunes, vocal or instrumental.)

saying that uk funky and dubstep or post dubstep have similar audiences is pretty much just wrong. like maybe in your house.

which is why the djs often get booked for the same nights, producers get released on the same labels, get covered in the same places...

obviously there's a huge amount of dubstep fans who aren't into funky, that's because funky is tiny and more than a touch insular.

uh the problem comes when you start acting like theres no diff b/w "genre" and "scene" idk possibly there is a major crosspollination in like london uk scenes but dubstep is like a big global thing now and in gen it seems that ppl dont really give a shit abt london outside of london. that is in my world of ppl dubstep is p ahistorically digested, its also p much the standard music that ppl who would have liked manu chao a few years ago like now so

Sorry, L-Vis. Even more apposite given he was more funky than Bok Bok anyway.

Lex I could quote your specific comments on the funky house thread but I didn't want to have this argument with you again really. Especially since you seem stuck on the notion that what your friends think (and what I think about what your friends think) is the only point in issue here. Not that I've ever said anything that could be construed as terribly nasty about anyone let alone your friends.

At any rate it's an undeniable development: the amount of funky in night slugs-ish sets has dropped precipitously in the last 18 months as the amount of post-dubstep producers doing similar work to Night Slugs has risen. That's not an anti-funky thing, it's a pretty natural and unsurprising trend: post-dubsteppers back in 2008 needed uk funky tunes to fill in the gaps of the vibe they were trying to create, whereas they need it a lot less now.

The emergent consensus is the one that blackdown promotes: that the real function of uk funky was to provide a launchpad for the emergence of the (more vital, thrilling, important, significant) "uk house" sound.

part of that is because there's just way less great funky being produced right now. most of the funky i've enjoyed this year has been pop remixes. and nothing touches what was coming out in 08/09.

u have to admit tho uk funky is p terrible

So what you're saying lex is that I was wrong about this a year ago, and I'm only right now because funky itself is to blame?

That's torturous logic. And also incorrect. Funky was as good in 2010 as in 2008 or 2009, whether or not you were paying attention. It could very well go off the boil this year but even that couldn't retroactively explain the above trend.

I mean you're basically applying the same logic you complain of indie listeners applying to R&B.

most of the funky i've enjoyed this year has been pop remixes.

Given you're so into night slugs et al lex it makes sense to me that you'd gravitate towards the funky that really can't be thought of as inhabiting the same or a similar space - you'd be less interested in say Funkystepz's "Fuller" (and more into their pop tunes) because you already listen to a lot of other synthy syncopated instrumental house-not-house and don't really need more of it - which not co-incidentally is the reason I think interest levels in uk funky have dropped among the post-dubstep audience as a whole.

Whereas, say in late 2008, where else but in uk funky could you hear a tune like "Seasons"?

"seasons" that was released on night slugs? given their first few releases (mosca, lil silva), tying them to UK funky was really not remotely a stretch.

Funky was as good in 2010 as in 2008 or 2009, whether or not you were paying attention.

i paid it enough attention and there are many funky tunes i loved from '10, but where is anything of the calibre of "do you mind" or "falling again" or "in the air" or, you know, everything from the 08/09 crop that made me (and the night slugs fam) obsess over it as a genre? "pull me close" came close for me and "it's what you do" is pretty good, but please don't say that clattery mess that is "house girls" is anything like that quality.

and ringfencing funky just seems like a weird strategy - finally we have a uk funky top 5 hit, katy b's "lights on", but to get there it had to use a dubstep trojan horse. which i said would happen at the time, given katy b's history, but nooooooo "katy on a mission" was just seen as proof that she'd gone over to some non-existent dark side.

No, "Katy on a Mission" was proof that she made a song with a boring beat. That's all I've ever said. I like Katy but i'm not so invested in her personally that I'm gonna take one for the team and pretend to like a tune that I don't like much.

Again, I've never denied that Night Slugs had an affinity with UK funky, and I've never resented or complained about labels like Night Slugs and Numbers releasing funky tunes on occasion - if anything I was rather surprised by the Resident Advisor piece on Night Slugs in this regard, I would have thought L-Vis would cast the label's relationship with funky in much more positive and strong terms; there's certainly justification for this in the music the label puts out (not just Lil' Silva). And, you know, the VIP of "Square One" is a great UK funky tune, or easily can work that way at least.

Consistently, you have complained whenever I've made any attempt to suggest that some stuff works just as "UK funky" and some stuff is kind of liminal UK funky, on the border between it and other stuff. Much of the time, me making reference to this has been less about border policing than about trying to talk about the dynamics of uk funky, the way the music hangs together as a style and (in particular) in the mix. A typical Night Slugs-heavy DJ set (including by Night Slugs artists), or a dj set by Oneman for example, has a different dynamic. Not a bad dynamic! Just a different one. Prohibiting any acknowledgment of this makes it very difficult to talk about how any of this stuff works with any real specificity.

Having said that, I assume from your comments upthread you no longer agree with this, for example:

Closer to what I'd consider to be funky's "core"

NNNGGGGGGG tim please don't DO THAT!

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non-existent divisions! again!

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I don't really understand this debate because I feel like I'm always going to great pains to be circumspect and fair and cast our differences of opinion in neutral terms, and then you keep grossly exaggerating me while constantly claiming that I'm the one engaging in strawmanning.

Like, nothing that I have said about Night Slugs' relationship to funky goes as far as even what L-Vis himself says!

But if I've said something both mortally offensive and incorrect at any stage please draw it to my attention so that I can apologise and retract as appropriate.

the real function of uk funky was to provide a launchpad for the emergence of the (more vital, thrilling, important, significant) "uk house" sound.

god bless UK Funky for providing a launchpad for the vital, thrilling, important, significant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vP09cwS4Wk

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKvq8V29dE0

i was at a bar tonight that was having a 'salsa night' & i heard either a really dope salsa remix of "hold yuh" or a really dope salsa song that used the "hold yuh" riddim -- either way i can't find it on youtube :(

assuming you don't mean the los rakas version (closer to reggaeton)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLfNTztmSXU

Love that so so much. The scenes where the couple are dancing on the beach make my </3 forever.

otm

The one that's been making the rounds in all nightclubs in spain I've been in is called 'vaina loca'. I'd much rather hear the Rakas version - which is probably my favorite version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfkoBjLKjAg

^ I get this is probably the one you heard Jordan, as the rakas version is probably better known around the blogosphere than in the real world.

both of those are really great -- especially the los rakas version -- but nah it was neither of those

this one was super heavy on salsa percussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLYKcrH4bQI&feature=related

There's so many of 'em. Wonder which one it is?

that is dope xp

\(o_O)/

I need a gif of 2:35-2:40.