Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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reading the thread again, some very interesting points. stirmonster think they're trying too hard too, and i can see that. but conversely adam was suggesting they're not trying hard enough. i think they could stand to be more like Deee-Lite, they already have better songs than Deee-Lite (apart from THE ONE)

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, its cabaret, and if you're going to do cabaret you might as well do it all singing all dancing PROPERLY rather than the muted offering on the album.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like the music, I don't like the way it sounds, I don't like their melodies, I don't like their harmonic structures, their lyrics make me want to scratch my own ears out, I dislike their production, I dislike their image, I dislike everything about them.

Yeah, that's just me being shallow and "indie", yeah.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not meant to be full on cabaret, it's meant to be cheesey rock music.

personally, though the album's not all classic, I think the good songs are better than most of the utter drivel in the album charts, at least there's a sense of difference there.

and "comfortably numb" is a brilliant record.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The Scissor Sisters are vile. Robbie Williams jamming with Jools Holland. Rolf Harris in bell bottoms with the Young Generation in 1973. Cannon and Ball's Casino with special guest Nick Kamen. Tom Fucking Jones. Nitty gritty. Music being played on the stereo system of that smug, smirking woman on the Standard Life advert, having just read the news about the 1000 redundancies Standard Life are making and licking her lips at the increased dividends these job losses will bring to her as a customer, and thus enabling her to flick crumbs of coulis at the dole queue from within the second BMW which she has been able to buy with said increased dividend plus or minus interest. Smug Roaring Boys spawn who ought to have their livers cut out with fucking scissors and fed forcefully to them via their newly denuded eye sockets, before having their semi-severed heads nailed to the door of the Islington Marquee and being forced to listen to the Go West remixes album until they expire painfully and pedantically in pallid puffs of arduous apnoea.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Also it's not as good as the last one.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

can you strickly have a 'crumb' of coulis?

― HKM, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

look come on this thread is on indie overload already without a clichéd tirade about the evil men in suits

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to a show of theirs once with some friends and we all forgot to listen to the music and just kind of talked to each other the whole time, although we did boogie a little bit. I was surprised by how "straight" the crowd was, given how bent the Scissors are (haha er). But people were really going bonkers over them.

Kate they kind of slide off my ears, too, but I'm not sure it's because their arrangements or production are slick, as much as it's just all kind of unmemorably executed. I lurrrve male/female vocal combos in bands but nothing grabs me about this one. Like I said though, I wasn't really paying attention.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost to HKM)

They used to do them in Le Petit Blanc.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracer on the money. Unmemorable would be the word. I honestly would not remember any of their songs if I hadn't been utterly overexposed to them.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

totally disagree about 'unmemorable' - their tracks really linger in my head, epitomy of catchy

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN RAMMED INTO YOUR HEAD AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN LIKE PINOCHET'S TORTURE POLICE!!!!

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think they have. i didn't even hear 'Comfortably Numb' until it entered the Top 10, i thought it was a bit silly but fine. i missed the buzz on 'Laura' last year but that had instant appeal. I didn't hear the album until after Glastonbury where they did a great show or at least it was a great time. TV and radio coverage seems to have been no more than the normal level and in fact I was surprised the album has sold as well as it has.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

They're not as good as Alcazar.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

Didn't surprise me. Look at the album charts this (or any) year...Katie Melua, Dido, Keane...shit sells.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

pretty much horrible. i just can't get past the pisstake-beegees vocals
the new single (Mary) is doing the internet rounds now, for anyone that's interested

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what is?

(xpost)

do you really think the Siziziziz fit in the same comfy bracket as Melua, Dido and Keane? perhaps a big quadrant of people are buying it cos they've heard it's the thing to buy for parties and dancing and super-fun times or something...maybe they don't actually listen to it. or maybe that's all horseshit.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

comfortably numb is a perfect track for them to cover - they are totally comfortable, easy, undemanding obvious and the feeling they leave me with is ... nothing.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

and marcello how in the name of nigella lawson does one "flick crumbs of coulis", you nutcase?

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Right!!!!! I've finally listened to this album!!!!! Ang again, it's been a bit of a surprise!!!! On the strength of the "Comfortably Numb" I was expecting a mildly annoyingly innoffensive House music flavoured record, and instead got for the most part a late 70s rock/pop record with solid, if slightly workmanlike, production, and reasonably decent tunes!!!!! In fact, at times it comes across almost like a Christopher Cross album with balls!!!!!!

Still don't get this "Scissor Sisters = Super Gay Camp Explosion!!!!!" bobbins tho!!!!! I'd only regard "Tits on the Radio" and "Filthy/Gorgeous" as even remotely camp, and the rest are about as camp as an episode of "One Man and His Dog"!!!!!! Even their "outrageous" image looks suspiciously like it was ripped off 70s fashion- eg that photo shot on the album looks uncannily like the inside cover shot on Roxy Music's "For Your Pleasure"!!!! (And that was far camper- look at Eno, for Cliff's sake!!!!) I mean let's face it, if Scissor Sister dressed like some cartoon ELO rather than a wonky collision of Roxy Music and Manhattan Transfer, they could have released exactly the same album and people would have labelled them "ironic" rather than "camp"!!!!!! (Mind you, given how the media routines equates "gay" with "camp" anyway, maybe not...)

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

surely gay and camp are synonomous with good logic and reason?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

No, people buy Scissor Sisters records because they are stupid and lazy and think that doing a disco cover of a Pink Floyd song constitutes adventurous new music whereas they are simply gentrified bourgeois corporate gutrot packaged by Polygram to look new.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that's totally why i like them

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I once flicked crumbs of coulis at Nigella Lawson. She was trying it.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

'Donnie' if you most people buy records because they're always looking for adventurous new music then you're being just as stupid and lazy as you claim they are.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

That is what most people should be buying records for. Otherwise they might as well stick with the ones they already have.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

steven do you mean that the words "gay" and "camp" mean "logical".

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

and may i suggest if you're not actually interested in dancing to this kind of music, it's going to be hard convincing people your criticisms of it are valid

(xpost x2)

lots of people buy records because they find them fun, and because they like to dance to them

stelfox - no gay smoke without camp fire geez

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't mind SS if they were actually dancable, but I can't even dance to them. Sigh.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

well obviously, as in i can't believe you wrote that, other people can dance to them

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not "other people." And I don't want to dance to them. And I am right.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dancing" and "fun" are invalid critical memes. Read your Spinoza.

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Donnie Smith The Cliched Indie Kid, I didn't particularly like the Floyd cover myself!!!! (Basically because it didn't go FAR ENOUGH!!!!! They really should have done a hardcore gabber remix job on it!!!!!) But I was most surprised to like the rest of album when i heard it from "unofficial" sources!!!!

Hence I bought it, but not because of the Floyd cover, in fact despite it and all that "camp" hype!!!!

Hence your "theory" is utter twallox!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

idiocy levels on overdrive now.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man, when resorting to "this is how other people SHOULD act" you know the argument is over

i just don't like the record. can't explain it. i love disco. i love fun retrovival records. i love camp as tits records.
i just don't care for this one at all. sounds so trite (and "forced" at the same time) that its really rubbed me the wrong way every time i've put it on.

but i would certainly never tell anyone else that they "SHOULD" or "SHOULD NOT" enjoy it for whatever reason they do. yuck.

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

in the name of clarity:

i thinking marcello means couscous. coulis is like a kind of thin sauce type dealio they sort of do weird 'lines' of at posh restaurants, like petit blanc indeed.

― HKM, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the idea that the Floyd cover is "new" or meant to be new is so utterly ridiculous.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

no-one better steal my 'camp fire' gag

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost to rentboy)

Well I would, can, do and have. We need more elitism in art, in order for it to matter again.

Also Old Fart! I am neither cliched nor indie!!!!

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No, sorry, it's a stupid defense of a band when people go "But no! You don't get it because you don't like dancing, blah blah" when it's just a question of "No, sorry, I *do* actually like to dance, I just can't dance to *this*."

If your defence of a band is going to be "but they're danceable!!! That makes them fun!" then it is a valid criticism that I can't dance to them. If their only excuse is to be a dance band... well, that's an excuse I just fail to see!

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

All of you UK people complaining that people only like/remember The Scissor Sisters due to forced exposure should really remember that they aren't being forced on everyone across the globe; I don't even think they're getting airplay in the US and I still like them.

Dom is right though; Alcazar is better.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

have you read your posts on this thread?

nobody said "dancing" either. it's just this age old if it's not bleeding guitar strings and death or twee lemonade in the fields it can't possibly be guitar music, no no!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The Scissor Sisters are fab! I won't hear a word said against them!

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom is right though; Alcazar is better.

Ah yes? Plz recommend things...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

basically I'd rather listen to vacuous cheesey MOR which is done consciously and wittily than most of the albums which have charted in the top 40 this year.

but as I said "Comfortably Numb" is a good disco/house record in its own right, I have never heard the Pink Floyd version and judging from their other stuff I'll be happy and have an extra 38 minutes of my life to spend doing something else if I don't.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I've not been listening to much except classical music lately, so disco, indie, rock, it's all shite to me compared to the Early Baroque period.

Now if they were camp like THAT, I might give them a chance.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)

you don't like disco at all tho right?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

We need more elitism in art, in order for it to matter again.

elitism in art only makes it matter to those who feign the self-importance and elitism they help to create. one can hold oneself up to some "standards" and miss out on a whole lot of fun stuff, and just wind up looking like a dumb, self-absorbed prick to everyone else

just ask all the indie rock kids from the mid-90s who recently discovered dancing

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned,

'Crying At The Discotheque'
'Sexual Guarantee'
'This Is A World We Live In'
'Physical'

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

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