I knew plenty of people in college in the late 90s that were listening to stuff like Beck and No Doubt as WELL as No Limit shit.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 December 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yah but i mean kanye has long passed that crowd -- hes a straight up household name thats like ... snoop dogg, 50 cent ... who else? maybe dr. dre at one point.
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
im saying that rather than going thru the ranks of rap fans into that crowd, since that crowd is who still moves units, a lot of these rappers are just skipping traditional rap fans altogether & going straight for the joe 12 cd one -- not talking about dudes who liked beck AND no limit
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"new york is not the center of the universe"totally is if you like pizza. and hot fashion models. and rats.
totally is if you like pizza. and hot fashion models. and rats.
hopefully the rats do not live in the pizza place.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I was going to suggest the suburban moms were buying Lauryn Hill.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
this seems a bit flimsy and ill-thought out--who does this apply to? drake? kanye (kind of)? certainly doesn't apply to wayne (who kind of invented the new paradigm) or eminem or even t.i., though he hasn't released a major-label album in 2 years and so prolley doesn't apply at all to this conversation (yes I know you didn't say 'lol @ talking about 'album sales' in 2008')
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also seems to me that 12 cd ppl would the first ones to quit spending money, since they'd have all their needs met with a combination of Livewire and Youtube...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe not the suburban moms or the swinging Hangover-type thirtysomethings blasting Kanye on their commute home...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lil wayne t.i. and jay-z are all street rappers -- all three of whom crossed over to that audience to sell more (t.i. the least successfully)
rappers now who 'actually sell' albums either aim for that audience & sell units (BOB) or dont, and dont (yo gotti)
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― The Reverend, Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:10 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is otm -- weirdly a (superior, but) strangely similar record to Drake's in its split-the-difference approach to rap & R&B
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
who do u think is buying cds? serious question
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
another question, if anyone can find a source -- id love to know how many cds were sold in 2010 vs. 2000
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xp the suburban moms or the swinging Hangover-type thirtysomethings blasting Kanye on their commute home...
actually I have no idea...I'm pretty sure a lot of casual music fans I have come across though are downloading 9/10ths of the music in their possession.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
just wanted to point out that chariot choogle has been OTM in this thread
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lol that xp was to answer deej's question about who is buying CDs
but srsly my answer is those with enough disposable income...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
all the HARDCORE MUSIC OBSESSIVES that Drugs A Money knows are the ones buying Susan Boyle CDs
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
a demographic which is skewing even older and whiter than usual lately
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
point made.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
A couple Bachar Mar-Khalife track's. The whole album is not as proggy as this first track, and the second one here is best at the end. I don't completely love the distorted vocals on it, but they are okay, I guess:
Bachar mar-Khalifé - DistanceBachar mar-Khalifé - Distance
(I wish they would have posted "Democratia.")
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
#1 on my list
(actually it was the fact that the article mentioned her that struck my ire in the 1st place and led me to say 'right on deej'. I wasn't even thinking about illegal downloads/Youtube hits/last.fm at all; I was just annoyed that the author seemed to want to see Boyle and BEP at the top of these lists...)
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
though, if you want to talk about Youtube hits...
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
drugs & rev have already nailed this shut, but since i already typed it out:
I'm pretty sure a lot of casual music fans I have come across though are downloading 9/10ths of the music in their possession.
― Ned Rag & the Evil Olive Gardens (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:30 PM (42 seconds ago) Bookmark
understanding that anecdotal experience is just that, perhaps meaningless in any larger sense, i have found that most seattle people in my "crowd" (largely white, middle class, indie culture 20-to-40-somethings, passive to avid music fans) buy music. they buy a lot of it. and they're kind of uncomfortable, a lot of them, with the idea of illegally downloading it. i buy a lot of music myself, but i also steal audition it, and i think i'm more rare in that than those among my peers who pay for most everything they listen to. this attitude, and the relative affluence behind it, is part of the culture, my culture.
but i'm kind of old, thus isolated, out of touch with younger fans and music cultures. wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that kids are much more likely to steal music than to buy it, or that things are different in other demographic niches. it's probably true, however, that if thug rap was (still?) crossing over to my peer group, it'd be selling more.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i said it before but you really can't underestimate the normal/average people casual/impulse starbucks/best buy/walmart/etc $7.99 ON SALE! purchases that people make. cuz people still buy stuff like that all the time. and thats a big chunk of album sales too, i'll bet. most people don't even walk into chain or non-chain music stores unless they are fanatics. lots of casual folks buy CDs at the drugstore and the convenience store. along with DVDs and large bottles of yoo hoo.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
(largely white, middle class, indie culture 20-to-40-somethings, passive to avid music fans)
this is still just a fraction of like "white 20-to-40-somethings," let alone the rest of americs
― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh yeah, no doubt, not claiming to speak for anything but my small circle of friends
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
my world of people
― lyrics is weak ... like clock radio similes (deej), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
vinyl selection at this best buy (wherever it is) is kinda cool
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/.a/6a00df351e888f883401348896f76e970c-800wi
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
and more astutely curated then the newbury comix store near me. as far as nostalgia/impulse vinyl buying goes.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
continuing...
but i do think that the group i'm speaking for (and other vaguely similar groups, a cluster of overlapping circles) buys a LOT of music and, in seattle at least, drives the city's most visible music culture. what they're interested in gets played on KEXP, gets booked at sasquatch and other high-profile festivals, gets prominent display in high-traffic stores, sells. sucks that it's mostly the arcade fire and the national or whatever, but i'd think they'd be an attractive target audience for anyone wanting to actually, you know, make money via music sales.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I went to Best Buy and they were selling Rihanna's Loud on vinyl for $40 (FORTY DOLLARS). I was thinking to myself "who the hell would pay that much for that," and then two girls passed by me, saw it, and were like "OOH I WANT THAT"
― the nutwasher (The Brainwasher), Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp Yeah, I would totally cop some Pac & Bad Brains vinyl if they were in front of me and the right price.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
(Oops, second link I posted was for Marée Noire. scott seward, I think you would like those Bachar Mar-Khalife tracks.)
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha so much for "the right price".
― The Reverend, Thursday, 30 December 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link
shocked that vinyl display is at best buy.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
not so shocked b/c everything there is at least $30
― sleeve, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it is a pretty great little pocket lesson on how to sell vinyl to best buy shoppers
― contenderizer, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
It doesn't look too difficult after all.
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i listened to that thing you like, Rudi the Rockist. i don't know what to make of it yet. i will listen again. kinda liked it more before the beats came in. but i'm at work and listening to *Fairy Cakes For Tea (Fairytales Can Come True Vol.2) - 20 Previously Uncomped Popsike Gems 1966-71* at the moment too and that might have coloured my opinion of the youtube thing.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I should have quit while I was ahead, "Manos Arriba 2.0."
― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, 30 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Top 10 Reggae Songs from Large Up: http://largeup.okayplayer.com/2010/12/30/toppa-top-10-top-reggae-singles-of-2010/
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Friday, 31 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I may actually listen to all those! #2 on that list made my Pazz & Jop ballot, and the guy who did #4 put a single on my Pazz & Jop ballot last year. So maybe my reggae tastes are not stupid after all.
― xhuxk, Friday, 31 December 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone been in an Urban Outfitters recently? Their vinyl selection looks a lot like that Best Buy display.
― sofatruck, Friday, 31 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i did some lists:
http://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/2540857715/top-30-albums-of-2010http://alexmacpherson.tumblr.com/post/2540874379/top-111-tracks-of-2010
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Friday, 31 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
when i had a hipster gen x underground store in philly in the early 90's urban outfitters would come in and take pictures of the place and buy our hipster stuff. they were pretty good at cool hunting back then. we took it as a compliment. don't know about now.
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thesilentballet.com/tsbt/2010/40_31.html
I only heard one of this batch.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 31 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lex's albums list is fantastic -- i've heard 14 of those and love almost every note, not a dud in the bunch -- which means i'll def be checking out the rest as i find the time
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Friday, 31 December 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i made a big list of albums/songs i liked in 2010, with youtube links
http://tinyurl.com/ilxor2010
redirects to facebook
feel free to "friend" me if that's yr thing (& of course, if we are already friends, i've probably sent this to you already)
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Friday, 31 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Slate:
Albums
Actress, Splazsh (Honest Jon's)Big Boi, Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (Purple Ribbon/Def Jam)Das Racist, Sit Down, Man (mixtape, Greedhead/Mad Decent)Fabolous, There Is No Competition 2 (mixtape, Gangsta Grillz)Glasser, Ring (True Panther/Matador)Joanna Newsom, Have One On Me (Drag City)Earl Sweatshirt, EARL (mixtape, Odd Future)Vampire Weekend, Contra (XL)Wavves, King of the Beach (Fat Possum)Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Def Jam)
Singles
Arcade Fire, "We Used to Wait"Lloyd Banks feat. Juelz Santana, "Beamer, Benz or Bentley"Beach House, "Zebra"Justin Bieber, "Runaway Love"James Blake, "Measurements"Chris Brown feat. Drake, Fabolous, Kanye West, T.I., and Andre 3000, "Deuces (Remix)"Drake feat. The-Dream, "Shut It Down"Lil B feat. Messy Marv, "Hannah Montana"Lil Wayne, "Six Foot Seven Foot"Nicki Minaj, "Did It On 'Em" Rick Ross feat. Gucci Mane, "MC Hammer"Salem, "Redlights" (King Night version)The-Dream, "F.I.L.A."Yeasayer, "Ambling Alp"Young L, "Young L-E-N"
― President Keyes, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it's just Jonah Weiner's list.
you said weiner.
― scott seward, Friday, 31 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link