Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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Wait a sec...I know these are people who could lose their jobs, so I don't mean to sound callous. No one wants anyone to lose their jobs or livelihood.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but you almost HAVE to have a fashion spread. No clothing companies will look at you for ad space until you do. It's the way of the game. Lame? Yes. Part of publishing? Unfortunatley.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

My comment was more about Scott's "they are all scared of their own shadows" watering-down, not a grammatical or stylistic complaint.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What music magazines are good these days? I have no idea.

Debito (Debito), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I find the idea that it's "gotten" insular in the last two years sort of mystifying, if only because the typical non-music-geek complaing about Spin is that it's ALWAYS been insular. I mean, five years ago they were writing about turntablism and sound-boys, stuff that, for better or worse, is WAY more insular than rock bands with hooks and attractive frontpeople.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not arguing insularity Andy, they're ambulance-chasing. And driving on the left.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with driving on the left? And I have to say I have no problem with music magazines subsidising their music section with fashion spreads (and the resulting ads), as long as the music section is unaffected. Better that than downgrading your music section by talking about inconsequential musicians in a trite way to bring in a broader audience.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't understand Chris Ott's posts on this thread at all.

Except he doesn't like brits?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Magazines suck.

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's been even longer than that...

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

She was a receptionist somewhere.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Yes, SPIN, supporter of whackos and rubbish science.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Killer email ady...CompuServe is still going?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

>>> Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related?

Remember when Foo Fighters and Dave Grohl were pushing this agenda, playing benefit shows for that wacko group "Alive and Well." That was insane... I wonder if they still support that cause.

That said, I think Spin is perfect. I expect nothing more. Each issue lasts me exactly one lunch break, once a month, where I look at the pretty pictures as I eat some soup.

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

it really ws better two or three years ago but its still ok

$$, Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

is anything in your world as good as it was in 1988, alex? anything? if you love 1988 so much why don't you go live there

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

What's up your ass?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

George, they've had better stuff than the dude with the big penis in Rolling Stone! Now, come on. I mean all those killer white trash kids! Don't forget about them. They were great. when i was 16 i had a picture of ricky kasso on my bedroom wall right next to a huge piece of paper with the chemical formula for LSD on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

that sounded harsher than i meant it to, alex, but seriously you go on about how everything's gone downhill since 1988 so often!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I was speaking strictly in terms of SPIN magazine, Fritz, and it wasn't one of my usual tirades about how stuff was much better then (which isn't categorically true, by the way). SPIN, however, used to be ahead of the curve. Now it struggles to keep up with the curve, panting like an exhausted walrus.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex is right Fritz. Except I guess I'd put it a bit later, maybe '90? I dunno, whenever Leland and Kogan and Sheffield and Eddy and Coley and McNiel and so forth stopped writing. I mean, no offense to any ILXors who contribute but the current writing just can't compete with that lineup, no fucking way.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i drank a lot of Meister Brau in 1988.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

lmao oh my god how many times has this thing changed hands in the past 5 years? like 8?

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 22 December 2016 21:55 (nine years ago)

imo billboard's editorial direction has declined in quality drastically since janice min started heading both it and thr. i barely read it anymore. last time i checked there were still a small handful of quality pieces and analyses, but they were far outweighed by the volume of clickbait aimed for maximum social media shares thru twitter stans and such. also the airheaded video '''content''' -- much of which gives the mag's pop charts superficial horse-race coverage like they're a sports game -- has been a disaster.

looking forward to a similar decline for spin and stereogum!

dyl, Thursday, 22 December 2016 22:18 (nine years ago)

tbh i've never really been able to decide if popstan/sportsfan mirroring is like the stealth truth bomb of our time or just if it's just so tediously obvious to everyone it's not worth mentioning

r|t|c, Thursday, 22 December 2016 22:36 (nine years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8491158/spin-matt-medved-editor-in-chief

Frozen CD, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:15 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

so apparently no one at spin works there anymore and upon the news I just realized I never emailed someone back in my attempt to resolve back invoices (which to be clear is largely my fault and I hate and am ashamed of it). but the new managing editor/apparently the only employee now? has no contact info anywhere and standard email format is bouncing. does anyone know who I need to talk to?

(also just to be clear this is not me attempting to pitch, I am just trying to be paid for past work, I’m really sorry if that’s still scabbing)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:04 (six years ago)

I don't think anyone would consider trying to collect backpay scabbing fwiw sorry I don't know who to contact atm.

Mordy, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:23 (six years ago)

Sincerely hope you get your money. A magazine I worked for in 1988/89 went bankrupt, just after Christmas but before I'd cashed my most recent paycheque. (ATMs were around, but I wasn't using them yet, so I usually took a couple of extra days to get to the bank.) Pleaded with the publisher via a long-distance call to Quebec--it was something like $700 or $800 for two weeks, money I definitely needed--never got a cent of it; learned very quickly where employees are in the bankruptcy line.

clemenza, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:37 (six years ago)

🚨Some personal news 🚨Today is my first day as managing editor at SPIN. Stoked to get started with this legendary publication and yes, I'm taking freelance pitches

— Daniel Kohn (@danielkohn) February 4, 2020

Says he wants pitches, offers no way to contact him.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 22:03 (six years ago)

katherine, you should hit me up privately, i can try and help you out

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:28 (six years ago)

(not thru my ilx email)

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:28 (six years ago)

to clarify for anyone who is wondering: roughly half of spin's remaining staff (like 4 of 8 people) were laid off in september, including myself. the parent owner sold spin to a PE firm a month or so ago (at the same time stereogum bought itself out) and as part of that deal, the remaining staff was told they would not be offered full time employment at the new company. spin was officially transferred between companies this week which is why daniel kohn popped up as the "managing editor of spin" today.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:33 (six years ago)

my understanding is that the PE firm has no intention to staff spin back up in any real way and will mostly be relying on freelancers

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:37 (six years ago)

Man

Ainsley James Gryffyd Lowbeer Holdsworth (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:57 (six years ago)

That explains the responses to Kohn’s tweet

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 01:17 (six years ago)

I never emailed someone back in my attempt to resolve back invoices

fwiw i have been there. i think somebody owes me back money right now!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 21:39 (six years ago)

Yeah trying to get paid for work you did before a company went to shit is noble! I hope it works out—I've been in your position before and it's incredibly frustrating.

maura, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 23:19 (six years ago)

thanks, headway seems to be happening at least

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 6 February 2020 03:15 (six years ago)

New editor Kohn hasn’t tweeted in 3 days ( was called a scab in 1 comment)

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 February 2020 19:31 (six years ago)

hang tight

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 7 February 2020 19:53 (six years ago)

two years pass...

Longtime former Spin writer Charles Aaron has cancer . There’s a Go Fund Me to help him

https://www.gofundme.com/f/tuawbp-charles-aaron-cancer-treatment-fund?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer&fs=e&s=cl

curmudgeon, Friday, 5 August 2022 15:53 (three years ago)

one year passes...

🫡 https://www.spin.com/2024/03/spin-u-s-army-team-for-week-long-austin-takeover/

Frozen CD, Friday, 22 March 2024 17:48 (two years ago)

no one wanted their name on that

President Keyes, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:03 (two years ago)

Lol yeah "Written by Spin Contributor" is sure something. I wonder if they were just hoping a bunch of people would clown them online for this to drive traffic to the site? Basically never see anyone share anything from it minus some local musicians in my town who got very excited someone (also local) got a piece published there. The piece was very bad.

grandavis, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:08 (two years ago)

Ah it is a "PARTNER" right at the top with a link to an Army site or something. Looks like it is just a paid promo spot made to look like a piece from Spin.

grandavis, Friday, 22 March 2024 18:10 (two years ago)

SPIN still has a couple big names on bylines.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2024 18:58 (two years ago)

one year passes...

we are so back

https://www.spin.com/spin-x-u-s-army-school-of-music/

Frozen CD, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:02 (seven months ago)

I saw SPIN on the stands at the airport today and didn’t even pick it up to flip through. (I *did* buy a different magazine, though.)

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:36 (seven months ago)

oh was this thread not bumped end of last year when they named Finneas as their artist of the year lol

guesses on who they'll name this year?

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:48 (seven months ago)

Pherb.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 12 November 2025 09:47 (seven months ago)


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