Koner never clicked with me :(
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:22 (9 minutes ago)
la barca was nice
he's good but not especially groundbreaking
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:32 (fifteen years ago)
people who love him really seem to love him.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:33 (fifteen years ago)
forget who listed koner on the metalsucks musicians list. isis dude, i think, and someone else.
http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/12/17/worst-year-ever-all-of-our-2010-year-end-shit-in-one-place/#more-50613
plus, just hearing a lot about him elsewhere too.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)
didn't koner remix isis a while back
i can see the crossover appeal of his heavy drone stuff
did anyone get the eleh record the wire are so fond of?
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)
too bad its almost impossible for me to actually look at stuff on metalsucks.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)
i had an eleh record on vinyl and its almost like its not on when its on.
I got the Eleh, and um, it's kind of a challenge to listen to imo.
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:44 (fifteen years ago)
he's good but not especially groundbreaking --nakhchivan
More like he's groundbreaking but not especially interesting. I've tried so hard with this dude!
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:44 (fifteen years ago)
I fuck with Eleh though
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago)
Hey, here we go...
The Wire - Avant Rock 2010
Acid Mothers Temple - In ~Ash Pool - For Which He Plies The LashExpo 70 - Where Does Your Mind Go?Michael Hurley - Blue HillsK11 - Metaphonic Portrait 1230 ADDavid Maranha - AntarcticaBill Orcutt - Way Down SouthThe Orkustra - Adventures In Experimental Electric Orchestra From The San Francisco UndergroundAriel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - Before TodayPuffy Areolas - In The Army 1981Rangda - False FlagRangers - Suburban ToursSun Circle - LessnessWooden Wand - Dream SeatXeno & Oaklander - Sentinelle
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)
^ makes me wonder where I've fucken been all year
Will post up some of the other genre lists later. Any requests?
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:51 (fifteen years ago)
wooden wand. i remember that guy...
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:51 (fifteen years ago)
want to see the avant crunk list.
salem could end up inspiring people to make even better hybrid records. if someone made a miami bass + doom riffs album i would play it a lot. that necro deathmort album was one of the best things i heard last year and it was basically doom + beats. heavenly really.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:54 (fifteen years ago)
need to get my annual copy of the wire, spend the long post christmas slump in front of a roaring fire with a case of port and a folder full of matthew bower .rars
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)
I'm still perplexed why anyone would compared Robyn and Lady Gaga, who sound/look/etc totally different and have a completely different MO. Anyway, as a fan of both, I wonder honestly if Gaga would merit if the visual component were not so strong - if she didn't make epic gonzo videos, wear meat dresses, light things on fire, etc. Robyn, on the other hand, seems to be gaining traction minus those (cool!) peripherals. Despite a thinner voice and starker beats, she doesn't seem to need them the way Gaga does.
I still see them as the two leading female electropop stars, although Robyn sadly hasn't managed to have the same kind of enormous superstar success that Lady Gaga does.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
i read that as matthew boner
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
How are Xeno and Oaklander avant rock? (It's a good list and everything...)
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:58 (fifteen years ago)
The Wire - Hip Hop 2010
Cam'Ron & Vado ft. Kid Cudi - Ur Killin MeLil B - 6 KissRoc Marciano - MarcbergTravis Porter - Proud To Be A ProblemRick Ross ft. Styles P - BMF (Blowin' Money Fast)Tyler The Creator - BastardWaka Flocka Flame - FlockaveliKanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted FantasyYoung Dro - Freeze MeYoung L - Young L-E-N
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)
is that hua hsu
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)
"Compiled by Andrew Nosnitsky"
― O Permaban (NickB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/atnU6.jpg
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:14 (fifteen years ago)
aka noz. weird to mix tracks & records in such a short list
― zvookster, Saturday, 18 December 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)
Noz otm
― return of the nakh (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)
noz is really repping for that cam & vado track, it's good but it seems like a weird choice given all the great songs they had this year
― no hipster hats (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 18 December 2010 19:27 (fifteen years ago)
Listening to the Rangers now and it's fine (super-boring band name and album title though), but I would not have thought that sounding vaguely like Ashra Tempel would make something "avant-rock." This and the other stuff I've listened to from that Wire list so far all sounds like I could have been listening to it in the early 80s, which is fine I guess.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:45 (fifteen years ago)
Wait, Michael Hurley is considered "avant rock" now?? (Guessing his records are still too slow and quiet for me regardless, but you never know. Still wish he'd make something like Have Moicy! again.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)
The criterion for being "avant" is just that it gets covered in The Wire, I think. God forbid they would write about anything other than the cutting edge (or admit to it).
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)
i got nothing bad to say about the wire. someone has to write about that stuff. might as well be them. they do a good job. do kinda wish there was a Wire-y Option-esque monthly in the states though.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)
xp Then why do they need to have a separate "avant rock" list? Wouldn't that just be the same as their regular list? (Oh wait, the other stuff would be avant non-rock, maybe. I should probably read The Wire more, and I wouldn't ask such dumb questions.)
Btw, speaking of metal lists (as Scott sort of was), I think my favorite thing in the Decibel year-end issue is that the Agalloch/Ludicra guy put Blessure Grave's Judged By Twelve, Carried By Six in his Top Five. I was starting to think I was the only person who even noticed that record. (My goth album of the year, probably, if I had one. Unless Chrome Dome's EP counts, maybe.)
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)
i like young l but thats not top ten material imo
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:00 (fifteen years ago)
i like all that shit except Lil B and there's def a lot in there that's not top 10 material
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:01 (fifteen years ago)
kinda wish there was a Wire-y Option-esque monthly in the states
Or better yet, Op-esque!
― xhuxk, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:02 (fifteen years ago)
sounding vaguely like Ashra Tempel
Or sometimes Durutti Column, or some lost very Krautrock/prog. influenced post-punk band.
I'm not trying to attack the Wire, really, which is kind of a passe activity at this point. I'll take the Rangers over any of the major indie rock releases I've heard from this year.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:03 (fifteen years ago)
Signal To Noise is American, right?
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)
actually when i think about it, young L makes perfect sense as an act that the wire should be into
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
The reason it's called Avant Rock is because that is a monthly reviews section in The Wire. The Wire has a large, long general reviews section which covers all genres with a few featured reviews and then various subgenres have one page each of about ~10 1-2 paragraph reviews. So the Avant Rock is just a wire-designated subgenre that they use to organize reviews. They also have a review section called "Outer Limits" which is significantly more vague and broad than "Avant Rock." I would say Avant Rock roughly spans the line of accessibility from indie-crossover territory (Ariel Pink) to "anything using a guitar" (Bill Orcutt). Rangers and Xeno & Oaklander are the only dubious inclusions under that rubric.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)
x-posts
I think so. I won't buy it any more because the print is too small and the text is too close to the binding. Also Signal to Noise is a little more: interviews with people who do pirate radio broadcasts of electro-acoustic improv out in the middle of Utah.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)
It must mean something because I think I tend to end up liking things labeled "avant rock" more than I do things labeled indie rock.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)
i was reading some old signal to noise issues. they are interesting. they really like sun ra.
― scott seward, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:10 (fifteen years ago)
would be interested to read whiney/deej's picks for 2010 hiphop top 10
― cozen, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)
i usually do a top 25—i'll drop that in January.
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:25 (fifteen years ago)
Bick B -- please post The Wire's Outer Limits and Electronica lists next! :)
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 21:41 (fifteen years ago)
sorry, Nick :(
noz likes the kanye? u________u
― k3vin k., Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:37 (fifteen years ago)
Why don't you guys go support the Wire and buy a copy, ffs
― larry longballs money (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)
FYI, YOU WHINEY G, my fkn subsriber's copy hasnnae gotten here yet! FFS :D
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)
xp - ha!
My subscription copy hasn't arrived yet. Snow disruption innit.
― seandalai, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:49 (fifteen years ago)
i think it's whiney g who, out of spite, 's holding back our copies. ffs, too.
― t**t, Saturday, 18 December 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)