Alice Cooper: Classic or Dud??

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i think alice is being inducted for his stellar 80s and 90s work, so the rest of the band will probably not be invited.

tylerw, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

not sure but if it's just alice that is BULLSHIT, the original band was so great

― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Totally agreed. phenomenal band. unlike the band in the 80s with the bodybuilder guitar player.

Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

lol tyler

plus didn't the band write most of the music? i'm not totally certain what the credits were

in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

wikipedia sez: "On December 15 2010, it was announced Cooper and his former band would be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
which is good!

tylerw, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

guess they got back together (briefly) too in 2006: "In December 2006 the original Alice Cooper band reunited to perform six classic Alice Cooper songs at Cooper's annual charity event in Phoenix, entitled "Christmas Pudding".[66]"
sounds like a good time.

tylerw, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Rock and Roll justice is served.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dtu8gNmkZ8

Trip Maker, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah the writing credits on the first handful of albums are spread pretty evenly throughout the band

twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

bob ezrin should probably be inducted along with them too

tylerw, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

plus didn't the band write most of the music? i'm not totally certain what the credits were

^from what I remember reading or hearing, Michael Bruce was the main composer of the Love it to Death through Muscle of Love era. In fact, when they put out Greatest Hits in '74, there was some controversy because Alice (the guy) was worried about getting a credit on at least half the songs. If you look at the credits on those albums, Bruce is on almost every song.

Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

When I interviewed Cooper in '08, he was eager to shout out the band.

that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I don't have the records in front of me but Bill's recollection jibes with my own

twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

oh look wikipedia:

Side One

1. "Caught in a Dream" (Michael Bruce) – 3:10
2. "I'm Eighteen" (Alice Cooper, Glen Buxton, Bruce, Dennis Dunaway, Neal Smith) – 3:00
3. "Long Way to Go" (Bruce) – 3:04
4. "Black Juju" (Dunaway) – 9:09

[edit] Side Two

1. "Is It My Body" (Cooper, Buxton, Bruce, Dunaway, Smith) – 2:39
2. "Hallowed Be My Name" (Smith) – 2:29
3. "Second Coming" (Cooper) – 3:04
4. "Ballad of Dwight Fry" (Cooper, Bruce) – 6:33
5. "Sun Arise" (Harry Butler, Rolf Harris) – 3:50

twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Bruce pretty much pwns

Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost

Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Fucking awesome the band is going in. I said "Tipton" up before, obviously I meant Buxton. RIP

Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah for a minute there I was like wait there was a guy who was in both Alice Cooper AND Judas Priest?! lol

twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Been listening to promos of this 66-74 box set. Most of it is pretty sketchy - lots of missable demos, snippets from the studio (how many times is anyone going to listen to tracking of the kids' chorus on School's Out?), radio ads – but there's a killer disc of a 72 live show: bootleg quality sound, really sloppy, sometimes you can barely hear the voice, but it outright rocks. A brutal Halo of Flies therein.

Am going to see him at the 100 Club tomorrow - couldn't be dragged to an arena, but excited about seeing him in a place where the back wall is 25ft from the stage. And hoping that if he's promoting the box, it's going to be a set of Killer/Love It To Death rather than hair metal.

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Saturday, 25 June 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

shit had no idea about that 100 club show :-(

I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Saturday, 25 June 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Great garage band show last night: 75 mins, no props apart from the boa. Johnny Depp played rhythm on Eighteen and School's Out. Mercifully light on hair metal, heavy on Brit invasion covers.

1. Train Kept A Rollin'
2. Under My Wheels
3. No More Mr. Nice Guy
4. Is It My Body ?
5. Brown Sugar
6. I'll Bite Your Face Off (new song: fitted in fine with the rest of the set)
7. Muscle Of Love
8. Cold Ethyl
9. Billion Dollar Babies
10. Back In The USSR
11. Poison
12. You Really Got Me
13. I'm Eighteen
14. Schools Out
15. Elected
16. We Gotta Get Out Of This Place
17. Fire

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Monday, 27 June 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

Great set list!

EZ Snappin, Monday, 27 June 2011 11:02 (twelve years ago) link

Is that Hendrix's "Fire" or Arthur Brown's?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 27 June 2011 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

Hendrix.

Trudi Styler, the Creator (ithappens), Monday, 27 June 2011 11:11 (twelve years ago) link

Ah! The Arthur Brown one would be right up his street though.

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 27 June 2011 11:14 (twelve years ago) link

In the book Billion Dollar Baby, Alice recounts how "Stand By Your Fire" (sic) was a staple in the early days (pre-Spiders/Nazz) version of the band.

henry s, Monday, 27 June 2011 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

Do you have a copy of that book?

I'm seeing him on 8/15 at a small community theater in Morristown, NJ. Very jacked up!

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

Pretties For You still my favorite Alice Cooper album ever. I have a huge soft spot for late-60s goofy/badass psychedelic rock.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 27 June 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

Do you have a copy of that book?

yes, my second one, actually...bought my first copy back when it came out, loaned it to a jr. high school friend and never saw it again...several years ago I found another copy rummaging through a thrift shop in upstate NY...I sure hope he plays a club gig in Boston this summer...I'm fully prepared to blows $200 on that box set this week when it comes out...

also, relative to that book, which details the Muscle of Love tour, it is absolutely AMAZING that tours of that magnitude could be organized and executed without cell phones and ATMs!

henry s, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION:

I intend to "blow" $200, and when I say that "I sure hope he plays a club gig in Boston this summer", I am referring to the Coop, not my jr. high school friend who never gave me the book back...

henry s, Monday, 27 June 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

that book's hard to find. ive always wanted to read it.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

Alice Cooper on latest Top Gear was hilares, driving a Kia around and referring to the gearbox as 'dyslexic'

remy bean, Monday, 27 June 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

He really pisses me off on his radio show, still love the 70s records and would see him at a club date, but I doubt he's coming to Mid-Missouri

Trip Maker, Monday, 27 June 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

What does he do on his radio show that pisses you off?

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

my guess:

tells kids to stay in school, votes republican, complains about Marilyn Manson

winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

He votes republican on his show?

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

the magic of radio

winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

He acts like he invented rock and roll and assumes his audience has zero knowledge of music and/or the music industry.

Full disclosure: I host a radio program on a community station so I just find his smug self-satisfaction sort of insulting.

Trip Maker, Monday, 27 June 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

He does drop a lot of right wing BS, too.

Trip Maker, Monday, 27 June 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Unfortunate. Never heard his show. He always seemed like a relatively decent guy to me.

I don't generally sweat the political stuff.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

Syndicated all over the country
http://nightswithalicecooper.com/

Trip Maker, Monday, 27 June 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

He always seemed like a relatively decent guy to me.

seriously have no idea what you would base this on, everything I know about him = colossal asshole.

his 70s stuff is awesome obvy

winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

I read his book on golf (laugh all you want). He came across as a decent guy. For me he doesnt come across as an asshole, like say Lars Ulrich or Ted Nugent or even Bruce Dickinson do.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

I wouldn't put him quite in that league (altho I dunno what there is to hate about Dickinson?)

winoa ryder sexes creatures of the night (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 June 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

He seems like a dick. Maybe he can come off the list. Ulrich and Nugent are enough to get the point across.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 27 June 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

Codger, i mean, classic rock is full of tomfool old white guys on the far right. They're the ones who never got invited to play Jackson Browne festivals or No More Nukes. Skunk Baxter was another notorious guitarist to the far right of things. Someone in Montrose, don't remember if it was RM himself or Sammy Hagar, was a gold bug fiat money conspiracy theory kook all wound up
about the US going off the gold standard in 1971.

Gorge, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

I don't understand how he could have created this amazing freak persona in the early 1970s and then everything he's said or done since then has been to disown that persona, trying to reassure us all that he's just a regular beer-drinking, golf-playing, prude, Bee Gees-enjoying, conservative family man. It smacks of some kind of guilt complex.

Josefa, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link

I caught part of Alice's radio show not long ago, and he went on this rant about how rock 'n' roll allows you to sing about whatever you want. OK, sure, but he underscored it by saying, "Don't listen to all those people who say, [adopts whiny voice] 'Let's write songs about flowers!'" All I could think was: who exactly is saying that, Alice?

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:40 (twelve years ago) link

Bobby Vinton?

Josefa, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link

Seriously, fucking Vinton has a stranglehold on popular culture right now.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 28 June 2011 03:52 (twelve years ago) link

everything he's said or done since then has been to disown that persona, trying to reassure us all that he's just a regular beer-drinking, golf-playing, prude

Well, I got the impression back then that he just wanted to be golf pals in Palm Springs with Bob Hope. And be on Hollywood Squares with Paul Lynde, Joanne Worley and Arte Johnson.

And he was a serious white knuckle alcholic, for a time using it as a de facto endorsement of Budweiser. There were lots of promo photos of him always with Budweiser and even one notably pic of him carrying an entire case as he walked across the runway getting off some tour plane.

Billion Dollar Baby, which I read, did communicate the image that behind the stage shtick, Vince and his bandmates were pretty square middle American guys. There wasn't any revolution on their minds. But Michael
Bruce and ol' AC together could write some catchy hard rock tunes Bob Ezrin was able to
develop on three and a half LPs, the debut on Warners, Killer, Billion Dollar Babies and a bit of Muscle of Love. Plus one classic single, "School's Out" on an album that was crap compared to the others.

The other claim to single fame is "I'm Eighteen." The first two Ezrin-produced albums are
about perfect.

Gorge, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 05:50 (twelve years ago) link


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