2010 Magazine's Albums Of The Year Thread For Posting Lists and Discussion

that kylesa album is dope

yep

they killed it live too

22 strong condenders for the pfork top 20:

kanye west
ariel pink
lcd soundsystem
robyn
big boi
joanna newsom
janelle monae
deerhunter
beach house
sleigh bells
titus andronicus
arcade fire
caribou
erykah badu
no age
how to dress well
james blake
flying lotus
gonjasufi
local natives
owen pallett
vampire weekend

long shots, but a couple of these may appear:

julian lynch
broken social scene
the radio dept.
the morning benders
fang island

i swear i was minutes away from posting "hey ilxor, can you tell us what you think the top 20 will be" and then decided against it. and then like not even 5 minutes later look

hahaha you know me too well ;)

last year i predicted the entire top 20 i think! can't seem to narrow it down past 22 yet, though.

very happy to see so many of my favorites on the p4k list, as i know it'll do them some good: gil-scott heron, zola jesus, emeralds, tyler, woods, the-dream, fresh & onlys, twin shadow: all good to great. also, reading the blurbs made me want to check out forest swords, women, kylesa and abe vigoda. anyone here have opinions on those?

if i had to guess, i'd say two of these won't make it:

erykah badu
how to dress well
james blake
gonjasufi
local natives

the other 17 of those 22 are locks

contenderizer: forest swords, kylesa are both excellent

yeah i'm a hueg KFW fan and had no idea that record existed

lol

it is worth tracking down a copy tho if you like his stuff but tbh i can think of a # of more interesting releases that fucked w/ similar sounds/textures/'feelings'

p digusted that two of my records of the year are on the pfork list

fucking record isn't listed on his wiki page

hardly any surprises. i'm not familiar with #32, disappointed the-dream/gil scott-heron/four tet/kylesa didnt do a bit better.
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:12 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that Tyler the Creator never got a review from them, from what I can tell
― Dan S, Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:17 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

Bastard is the only one of those 30 that I actually listen to.

KFW'S disengenuity/disengenuousness LP for sale at his own distribution website, mimaroglu

fucking record isn't listed on his wiki page

yah i shouldnt clown you - dude released a tonne of stuff this year that i havent heard either.

srs qn 4 u tho - whats the most limited/hardest to get a hold of release youd put on a top x of 2010 list? like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e? also did you hear the bj nilsen tape 'draught #1'? its crazy good & im kinda sad the wire seems to have missed it

I remember 2 years ago a couple of angry readers writing to The Wire to complain about an item in their top 50 that was released in only 200 or so copies on cdr (Christina Carter's Masque Femine), making it all but impossible to hear

i see on wikipedia that Tyler the Creator is part of Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All in LA. I really liked the Earl Sweatshirt album. ...will download this

is Transference not going to make the Top 50?

I doubt it

srs qn 4 u tho - whats the most limited/hardest to get a hold of release youd put on a top x of 2010 list? like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e? also did you hear the bj nilsen tape 'draught #1'? its crazy good & im kinda sad the wire seems to have missed it

― Lamp, Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:46 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean, for a personal list it could be as small as you like—if it hits you, it hits you. That' an imperfect science. i remember having the Father's Day CD-R on a list once.

But like when an entire staff of a magazine stumps for some tiny thing, it def feels a little disingenuous. Like when you turn from "these are my personal faves" to "this is the authoritiative best" it def seems like posturing to hang that banner on something an artist only thought was worth 200 copies.

Personally it's really hard for me to hear small run stuff anyway. Small-run noise is for serious obsessives, and i'm always fracturing my listening into like Ciara and Jamey Johnson and Salif Keita and Vado. Like there's too much to listen for me to get really bogged down in Pwin Teaks' 15 copy cassette or whatev. (though i did buy a 200-run Eluvium CD which is v nice)

wtf is a beach house anyway? never even heard the name before these lists

indie

and why are people consistently putting the caribou record over four tet's when the latter does the same things way better?

But like when an entire staff of a magazine stumps for some tiny thing, it def feels a little disingenuous. Like when you turn from "these are my personal faves" to "this is the authoritiative best" it def seems like posturing to hang that banner on something an artist only thought was worth 200 copies.

well ime stuff that gets put out in limited runs isnt necessarily stuff that 'the artist' only wanted 200 (or 50 or 500) to hear! & then there are great labels to put out limited runs for 'philosophical' (uh speaking broadly) reasons - feels unfair to 'penalize' these releases some of which are incredible.

idk i guess i do get the idea that if the entire staff of your mag is listening to the same limited run cdrs u probably need to expand your bubble but i thought it was interesting you seemed annoyed/contemptuous of the wire listing a 500 run lp (which lol is a 'bigger' release than a quarter of my top 20)

I've always suspected that there's a lot of good faith in Dan because of how good Caribou are live. I like Swim enough but it just doesn't compare to how amazing it can be watching them live (and I've seen them play in shops, bars, at festivals, on big and small stages and they've always been superb). It's kind of the opposite with Four Tet (although personally I've not really liked that much by him on record for about six years); y'know, you've bought some artisan bread from the food market, you've been to see the Rothko retrospective at the Tate, you've been shopping for first edition hardbacks in Foyles and you've got time to fit in a rave before you go to a dinner party in the evening. Oh goodie! Keiren Hebden's manning the ones and twos.

What's wrong with some Cornish acid you slags?

Keiran Hebden, sorry. And while I'm in apologizing mode... I'd like to offer my sincere apologies and condolences to American posters on behalf of the entire UK re: Piers Morgan.

Unless it was some horrific nightmare I was having this morning when the news came on my alarm radio, it appears he's taking over from Larry King on CNN. It's not like CNN is a good station or even that Larry King was a great interviewer but it still fills my heart full of woe to think of that obsequious thunder cunt in gainful employment on your television. And the only respite from this depression can be gained by imagining some strong and honourable colonials shanking him in the fucking neck with broken glass.

indie

― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what kind of indie?

XP - Some Dude: Compilations make up the main part of our list, and for the most part these usually comprise of scenes that are new (Isvolt); genres that are new to us (Cold Waves And Minimal Tapes, Palenque Palenque); old albums that were in the main unknown due to their rarity (Virgo 4, The Spaces Between); compilations that have just been the soundtrack to our everyday work (Pink Pounders, Delicacies); great mixes (Shackleton) - although this is a real crap shoot... we forgot to include the great Ninja mix by King Cannibal and next year (touch wood) we'll probably include mix tapes or do a separate mix tape chart.

For actual greatest hits or classic albums there aren't that many and I can justify most of them being there. For example Station To Station comes with an amazing double live album from 1974 that towers above David live and no-one stans passionately for S2S... why is this? It's one of his best albums.

Out of the others? Well, I just love Bitches Brew (if it had been Live Evil, Get Up With It, Black Beauty etc they would have featured instead) and we had a big feature this year with a lot of rock stars discussing their favourite Davis albums so it felt right for the site.

I feel a bit uncomfortable about the Suede one being so high but the other two love it and play it on constant rotation so what are you going to do...

And finally who wouldn't have Streetcleaner or British Steel in their reissues of the year? Who?

xpost to Tim F I wonder if this is a function of both sites being grounded in dance music - there's more of an assumption of communality and commonality, of records being judged based on their reception by an audience (of dancers, of critics) rather than by an individual.

One thing I remember fondly about working at Mixmag and Muzik 1996-99 was exactly that communality - there were all these different specialist niches but everyone in the office could agree on the big drum'n'bass, house, techno or hip hop anthem. And because we were all going to clubs, we'd seen these tunes in action and could talk confidently about "we" in a way that I never could now. And I wasn't using internet messageboards then so I don't remember much bickering or nitpicking about whether so-and-so tune deserved its place. It was a really pleasurable consensus - for me at least.

I realised recently the only mag on the shelves that I can read without feeling pandered or sold to is Mixmag these days.

i stopped reading mixmag about 8 or 9 years ago, got sick to death of all the drug survey crap and ibiza specials all the fucking time. Has it improved? I must have a good few hundred issues up in the loft along with Muzik & Mojo. Sadly all my 90s nme/melody makers were thrown out.

no-one stans passionately for S2S

waht

Sister2Sister?

AG - I don't buy it all the time, but yeah they do an annual drug survey. Maybe not so much concentration on the Tall Paul/Ibiza scene as before, but that's the music climate for you.

I've just lost touch with dance music the last 5 years apart from some IDM, i've never been a clubber so I guess mixmag just isn't aimed at me, despite me buying it for years and years throughout the 90s.

Really glad to see Richard Skelton getting some attention here, but I'm still a little confused as to what it's doing on 2010 lists - I just checked back and it was my number one album of 2009. Guess it got a larger-scale reissue this year?

Although even my vinyl copy (on Type) is 2009, by the looks of it. Weird. Perhaps the Type CD issue is 2010?

indie

― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:35 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what kind of indie?

― o let's not do it and say we did (The Reverend), Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:00 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

moody, dreamy ballads w/female singer. occasionally brilliant, somewhat boring.

i've only just realised that beach house and best coast are separate acts. and that i have apparently heard "gila" by beach house because it's on trentemøller's excellent harbour boat trips compilation from 2009.

Thoughts on CMG's Salem write-up?

Sometimes discourse just gets in the way. King Night was doomed from the outset to be a victim of its creators’ sudden popularity, arriving as it did as the unofficial inaugural work of a micro-genre despised before it even fully emerged. “Witch house,” like chillwave before it, seemed like a bad joke to everyone before anyone really knew what it was, and in its turn was deemed both trending topic and dead on arrival at the same time. The tragedy here, of course, is that many of the bands who are said to compose the label are genuinely great, and as a fresh, distinctive aesthetic the genre itself strikes me as incredible exciting: King Night, along with Grimes’ Halfaxa and, to a lesser extent, How To Dress Well’s Love Remains, simply doesn’t sound like anything else out there. Salem boast a wealth of identifiable influences, sure—the most notable (and widely cited) being DJ Screw—but with King Night they’ve managed to accomplish something so rare that hearing it for the first time is a minor revelation: they’ve managed to create something new.

They also managed to produce one of the most divisive album of the year, which ended up being to their own detriment. Those put-off or repelled at first glance—this is jarring, sometimes unnerving stuff, after all—took to derision fiercely, and any murmurs of a positive critical response only increased the fervor with which detractors of the band, as well as the trending microgenre altogether, railed against it. That scorn eclipsed the music right from the beginning, demanding in turn that everyone register an opinion immediately. And so poor King Night, a record with much to parse beyond its Houston-cum-Halloween exterior, gets rejected out of hand, dismissed as too-trendy freakshow crap. We’re the ones who lose, though—not because we miss out on a remarkably singular new album (though if you skipped King Night, you really are missing out), but because we continue to allow bullshit white noise to impede our ability to not only enjoy but even just listen to music.

Calum Marsh

I understand his point, but he does little to support the idea that the album itself is worth listening to.

i agree that it's bullshit when "the conversation" drowns out the music. i don't think dj screw is the most notable reference point! salem are most tolerable when they have nothing to do with screw. and i don't think NEWNESS and INNOVATION are really its selling points (to me, anyway).

we continue to allow bullshit white noise to impede our ability to not only enjoy but even just listen to music.

Being one of the most visible detractors of Salem, I got a lot of ppl saying "Just LISTEN to the album." Of course, I DID listen to the album and the lazy, passionless bullshit I heard made me just hate them even more than when they were just a lol Fader Fort band.

and why are people consistently putting the caribou record over four tet's when the latter does the same things way better?

don't agree at all - Four Tet is mostly just pleasant loops but i like even Hannibal more than anything on There Is Love In You apart from maybe Angel Echoes. obv i don't have much of a problem with Snaith's singing tho.

Am genuinely unsure as to why people would think that the Caribou and Four Tet albums sound anything alike tbh - seems more like lazy grouping to me.

Although even my vinyl copy (on Type) is 2009, by the looks of it. Weird. Perhaps the Type CD issue is 2010?

Yeah, the Type CD didn't come out until January:
http://www.discogs.com/Richard-Skelton-Landings/master/212852

The Four Tet album is closer to the Gold Panda album than it is to Caribou. Mind you I am a Caribou hater whereas the other two are pleasant enough.

srs qn 4 u tho - whats the most limited/hardest to get a hold of release youd put on a top x of 2010 list? like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e? also did you hear the bj nilsen tape 'draught #1'? its crazy good & im kinda sad the wire seems to have missed it

― Lamp, Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:46 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this is an interesting topic. i really object to the "this old album/random mix CD/thing that was passed around between 10 of my friends is my album of the year" thing but i feel like as long as a record was available to the public in some capacity it should be fair game. the best show i saw all year was this little no-name North Carolina band, they were giving away a CD-r of their debut album at the merch table, but the CD wasn't burned right and wouldn't play in my player, then a couple weeks later they put a download link on their Facebook page and i got the album. i thought about putting it in my top 10 but ultimately decided against it, more because the record isn't quite as good as the live show than because i was squeamish about repping for something so obscure though.

but then i do a lot of local coverage for the Baltimore alt-weekly and with that stuff i have no compunction about going as obscure as possible if i think the best stuff is being overlooked. our local top 10 this year had some stuff that's not even well known around town, and no boring-ass Beach House thank god.

reading the blurbs made me want to check out forest swords, women, kylesa and abe vigoda. anyone here have opinions on those?

That Abe Vigoda album is one of my favorites from this year. It's exactly the right blend of pop and moody post-punk noodling.

Kylesa album is great. Though, being a metal record championed by lots of indie rock sites, of course the last album is better then the one that's actually getting attention (other examples of this phenomenon: baroness, pig destroyer, mastodon, fucked up, etc etc ect)

like do you think theres a point in repping for stuff that was only put out in like a 30 cassette run or w/e?

yeah of course, if it's good enough! agree w/shipley re: random mix cds though. one of the contenders for my EOY ballot is an album by an argentinian cumbia rapper that afaik she just dumped on her fbook page.

princesa's más fuego btw - check it out, it's great - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Princesa/50457721134

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej8s1wgGMIQ