The albums that show up most often make a top ten list.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sure. but that's a bit beside the point.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to High Violet now, and god is it as awful as expected, admittedly a predictable response on my part.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
respect to anyone listeing to hundreds of albums over the course of a year as ever - critics or not. even with spotify i'm only gonna manage about 100 and that's well above my norm.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
word. i tried to listen to a lot of music this year & it sucked so i gave up
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
people who make enormous, 50+ album lists though, how many of those albums do they actually "connect" with or deeply love/would not rather just listen to their favourite couple songs off of
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i only really deeply loved like, two or three albums this year. i think that's a good amount
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i've "connected" with about 20 albums this year, i'd say? obv to varying degrees, but they're pretty much all keepers. then about another 20 that i'd say are definitely worth hearing. i lost track of how many albums i've heard this year a while back but i'd guess it's about 150.
that's about the same number of albums i usually "connect" with, definitely the year in which i've heard the most albums tho.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
20 is unthinkable to me but it is your job i guess. beginning to feel it's such a rare feat when an album is consistently engaging throughout, or is really deeply engaging for at least many songs, & it removes from the pleasure of listening to music (especially new) to be constantly searching for that
― flopson, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i do a top 20 albums every year so am gonna say....
20
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
(but real answer is 10, and i still hate albums)
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
someone find me some good asian year-end lists. feel bad that half the world is excluded from this thread.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
man, i love albums. i'm sick that way. i listen to thousands every year. never gets old.
Hot Tub
man, i love albums. i'm sick that way. i listen to thousands every year. never gets old. --scott seward
Otm
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Lol at aborted hot tub time machine joke still making an appearance in that post
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it is strange that, with the thousands of albums released every year and freely-available via the internet, that there's anything approaching a concensus about the best albums of the year.
Too much choice = people retreat to old favorites. That's not a value judgment, either; I do it, everyone does it to some degree. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the more music there the less that gets covered.
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"more music there IS"
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
For Scott, Top 100 Korean pop songs from Nov. '09 to Nov. '10: http://cassipeasworld.blogspot.com/2010/11/bugs-top-100-songs-for-2010.html
― slow a cat sample down 800 percent (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, Top 10 Anime Songs: http://www.lw-concepts.com/lw/?p=6422
Very interesting end-year chart (with sound illustration) at Pontone.
Here's the first part (50-34): http://pontone.pl/tones-of-the-year-2010-best-50-albums-vol-1-50-34/
the next one should be out today
― Patataj, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Pitchfork's Honorable Album Mentions:
Actress - SplazshBaths - Ceruleanceo - White MagicCurren$y - Pilot Talk / Pilot Talk IIDOM - Sun Bronzed Greek Gods EPDum Dum Girls - I Will Be Charlotte Gainsbourg - IRMGlasser - RingGold Panda - Lucky ShinerGrinderman - Grinderman 2Guido - AnideaLiars - SisterworldMale Bonding - Nothing HurtsMount Kimbie - Crooks & LoversPantha du Prince - Black NoisePerfume Genius - LearningSam Amidon - I See the SignSurfer Blood - Astro CoastSwans - My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the SkyToro y Moi - Causers of This
― prolego, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ceo, pilot talk 1, charlotte gainsbourg, gold panda, liars, male bonding, pantha du prince, and surfer blood were all best new music, so a little surprising to see that none of them made the actual list
― kaygee, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Based on the list of albums she then pimps I think it's more a case of her not knowing that non-indie exists.― Tim Fif i wanted to read the "this is my personal top 10" list from someone who clearly has little understanding/interest of anything besides the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite, I could visit ANYONE'S BLOG ON EARTH. The fact that this appears on Dusted instead of somerandombullshit.blogspot.com doesn't change anything― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten)
if i wanted to read the "this is my personal top 10" list from someone who clearly has little understanding/interest of anything besides the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite, I could visit ANYONE'S BLOG ON EARTH. The fact that this appears on Dusted instead of somerandombullshit.blogspot.com doesn't change anything― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten)
Of all the boring personal top tens, why does this particular one draw such contempt? I don't know if she writes much outside of Dusted, but skimming through her stuff (http://dustedmagazine.com/writers/kelly), Kelly is no ignorant hack. She just has a preference for indie, psych and post-punk. Her list is hardly random -- she pretty clearly stated that they're her favorites. Since when is specializing a crime? Should we start bludgeoning the hip-hop and r&b crits who neglect country? Or call the metal writers ignorant fucks because they clearly have little understanding/interest of dance-pop? If one wanted an update on Brazilian albums here, you're all useless.
The whole indie backlash thing is kind of funny, but ultimately comes off as peevish and pointless. The way I see it, anyone who bothers to dismiss an entire genre of music most likely couldn't be bothered to listen to much of it and is in a weak-ass position to judge. Hearing and hating the Arcade Fire and the National is understandable, but ridiculing a writer for a top 20 that you probably hadn't heard more than a third of? Now that's some bullshit.
The Soft Pack certainly has no pretentions of being 'important' but it does have 7 excellent songs on it, which is more than one can say about many of the others topping this year's lists.
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:40 (thirteen years ago) link
the most loudly trumpeted indie rock and the occassional Wire favorite
Within the realm of trumpeted indie rock in 2010, her list is reasonably atypical. If anyone finds it completely humdrum content-wise (I'm talking about the specific albums chosen, not whether or not you personally find them any good), it's because you've probably heard as many or more records this year than she has. 8 of her 10 records aren't exactly commonplace in the blogspot circles.
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 07:47 (thirteen years ago) link
My issue was with her preamble not her content. Why ask "where is this year's merriweather post pavilion to unite us all" if you're not even interested in anything that falls outside of a pretty narrow sphere. It's the implied borders around "what matters", rather than what she actually likes, which gives off a blinkered indie rock critic vibe.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Resident Advisor: Top 20 albums of 2010http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1264
20. Prins Thomas - Prins Thomas [Full Pupp]19. The Black Dog - Music for Real Airports [Soma]18. Lindstrom & Christabelle - Real Life Is No Cool [Smalltown Supersound]17. Peter Van Hoesen - Entropic City [Time To Express]16. ASC - Nothing Is Certain [NonPlus+]15. Darkstar - North [Hyperdub]14. Bonobo - Black Sands [Ninja Tune]13. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal [Mego]12. Virgo - Virgo [Rush Hour]11. LCD Soundsystem - This is Happening [DFA]10. Matthew Dear - Black City [Ghostly International]09. Mount Kimbie - Crooks & Lovers [Hotflush]08. Scuba - Triangulation [Hotflush]07. Four Tet - There Is Love In You [Domino]06. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise [Rough Trade]05. John Roberts - Glass Eights [Dial]04. Actress - Splazsh [Honest Jons]03. Shed - The Traveller [Ostgut Ton]02.Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma [Warp]01. Caribou - Swim [City Slang]
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:37 (thirteen years ago) link
MPP did unite, though. It united people into two opposing camps!
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link
That John Roberts album sounds like it might be a good 'un, need to give that a shot.
― O Permaban (NickB), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Why ask "where is this year's merriweather post pavilion to unite us all" if you're not even interested in anything that falls outside of a pretty narrow sphere. It's the implied borders around "what matters", rather than what she actually likes, which gives off a blinkered indie rock critic vibe.
yeah, but "what ought to matter" is inseparable from "what you like," no matter who you are. indie rock critics aren't any more congenitally blinkered than other genre-bound voices. dance critics speak to dance partisans, rap critics to autogoon united, and so on. we all pretend, from time to time, that our private stomping grounds = that which matters. which is perfectly fine, afaic. i like kelly's list. it's personal, intelligent and engaged. i wouldn't list a single thing on it among my personal favorites, but so what? she's entitled to her enthusiasms, indie as they might seem.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but "what ought to matter" is inseparable from "what you like," no matter who you are.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:47 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i disagree
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:49 (thirteen years ago) link
so tell me all about the irredeemably awful (yet hugely important) shit that ppl ought to be paying attention to, iyo
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, kanye is hugely important & kinda wack
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo, dj quik & kurupt last year was way dope but not v important
i like the kurupt & quik (mostly whatsha wan do) and the dark twisted fantayzee equally, but if i didn't like them personally, i wouldn't think of recommending them to anyone. i mean, i'm not the hague. i don't have to worry about objectivity.
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link
and there's nothing nowhere near as good as whatsha wan do on MBDTBDMBTWDF
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm in the middle of writing something on why there needs to be a moratorium on the word "important" because it's so awful & meaningless
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't have to worry about objectivity.
it's not about objectivity for critics either. or at least, it shouldn't be.
if a record is "important" for whatever reason and by whichever definition you use, this really does only become apparent after time has passed.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:06 (thirteen years ago) link
^ supermanning it
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Of all the boring personal top tens, why does this particular one draw such contempt?
i also agree with this - i don't care about the records on her list and find her tastes narrow and blinkered, yes, but no more so than ANY GIVEN PITCHFORK WRITER apart from their genre specialists
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, i think some things are important
― *plop*ism rules (deej), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not gonna get into it here cuz this is stuff i'm trying to work out in a piece that's on hold while i deadline-surf elsewhere today, but what do you mean by important, really?
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure i will come around when they are prying my guns from my cold dead hands
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
but what lex said: really?
and like, you're willing to bring this up wr2 dusted mag/indie fan critic who fails to pay proper respect to IMPORTANT THINGS, rather than ben chasny/rick bishop record that like 5K people are ever gonna hear, tops? we should all be talking about kanye records that you don't even like?
― Today, if he makes a grunge (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
idgi contenderizer/lex, you are defending this writer when clearly she is upset that there were NO IMPORTANT ALBUMS THIS YEAR - which you say is critically wrongheaded!
The enemy of my enemy steez only gets you so far in music crit: just because she's not deej doesn't mean she is correct.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 09:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I'd hold with Dark Twisted Fantasy as "important" more than I would Merriweather Post Pavilion. One's the new album of one of the biggest pop stars in the world, the other is a record by a cult indie band that's deemed important because enough people in the right position say it is.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not "defending" her tim, but she's not guilty of any more wrongheadedness than like three quarters of all other critics making EOY lists atm
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i think the critical culture is kinda fucked atm, but it's not just her propagating it
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm in the middle of writing something on why there needs to be a moratorium on the word "important" because it's so awful & meaningless"
And "interesting" while we're at it.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"interesting" as a superlative doesn't carry the sort of weight that fuels several thousand words of year-end appraisal, though
― ITV2: Jimlectric Beglinoo (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link