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― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i actually think it's totally fine that Kanye has a core signature sound that he never quite escapes no matter how daring or creative he tries to be, i just think people should engage with the sound they're hearing more than the one he was trying to make (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know how many times you can post in one thread before it comes off a little weird to make "smh @ how long this thread is" jokes but i think you passed it a while ago DJP fwiw fyi imo
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i think you could as easily say about your review 'i wish he would engage with the sound hes hearing more than the album he wishes kanye made'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
um, I was pointing out a likely reason why people hadn't responded to your lengthy post but, you know, continue being hyper-defensive, it's an awesome look on you
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i think ppl did respond to his post actually
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Apparently he didn't read it!
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:54 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it was a silly zing! i would've said it to any of the 10 most frequent posters in this thread if they'd said what you said. if i can't just randomly say things to you that i would say to anyone without it being taken super personal, that's not ME being hyper defensive.
also i wasn't crying about my post not being responded to the first time, i was inviting Whiney to say something more nuanced in defense of this record than his tweets about it or his tweet-length posts ITT.
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ me
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:53 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i did a podcast/internet radio 'debate' kinda thing last week with another critic who liked the album, and it was a really interesting and friendly convo and at one point he straight up asked me "what album do you wish Kanye made/hope he makes next?" and i didn't really have an answer. i don't really object to the 'direction' he's going in (and if anything kind of consider it an absence of real direction, just kind of coasting in the direction he was already headed in), i just want the beats and the rhymes to hit me harder really.
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean in a lot of ways i'm pretty primal and direct about how i respond to records -- if it's a rock record i'm like yo these riffs are nice/lame/etc. if it's a rap record i'm like yo these beats and rhymes are slammin/wack/etc.
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
"what album do you wish Kanye made/hope he makes next?
This album - less of a stupid title, having someone around to tell him to drop the inane shit like he has had on other albums (lol jon brion but if ever there was a dude who needs someone around to keep him focussed it is kanye).
Next album, I'd like to see him try and calm down on the generic celeb tip with his rhymes and be kanye again. also this is the first kanye record where he hasn't really tried to do anything absolutely new and different over the whole albums production set-up; i'd like to see him try and have more focus on the sonics of it all.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
this album! nothing wrong with what he was going for and what it COULD have been is pretty great, the execution's just so poor. luckily diddy actually made that album for us.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
!!!!
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
actually, all that "inane shit" happens to be the most attractive stuff on this record; without it, it likely really would be fucking unbearable. but maybe you'd prefer he just hacked-out some fairly standard "ringtone crew approved" type of crap, tho? i mean, god forbid dude actually display any personality on record, right? just give us the skills, man. nothing but the skills. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
uhhh as one of the lone voices for boring skill based rappers in the entire ringtone crew, i think you vastly misread the general consensus of personality vs. skills in the cru.
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i think you'll find most ringtone cru favourites this year display tons of personality on their records! just not in such a tedious way as kanye does here.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
and i encourage you to check out skyzoo's new record :)
...cue fifteen-minute guitar solo and light/lazer show--to be followed up by lengthy but tasteful drum solo, only to climax with burly display of GONG technique, like, man.
(joeks dudes!)
xps
btw, i certainly didn't mean u, Matt.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
no worries at all, just saying my stodgy viewpoints are generally not the norm
rakim 4 lyfe!
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
^see, i can get behind that. but then, i'm olde. ;_;
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh if he dropped the codas off of most of the songs, there would be fewer reservations about it; I think the album's biggest problem its inability to figure out when songs wear out their welcome
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno, that never bothered me--luv the coda to "Runaway," for example.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah...other than thinking that "Runaway"'s extended album mix was unnecessary and thinking "Dark Fantasy" has too many choruses, song length isn't necessarily my biggest complaint here (i actually think the length of "Blame Game" is one of its strengths!). i'm not crazy about how long the songs are, but if each had a minute or two chopped off i'm not sure my opinion of them would change that much. that's just me, though.
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ha "Blame Game" is why I said "most" and not "all"
I have played the extended coda to "Runaway" by choice twice; if I am paying attention, I will skip it.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Ionnais - Inane shit = how he lacks personality on the record, how there is no detail, no life. I went into this way back up thread but all his other records are about Kanye whereas this is about 'Kanye'
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm coming around on this album, mostly b/c I'm traveling & being lazy about what I'm listening to & the "eventness" of it compels me to pick it, and they're digging in therefore; kinda love the coda of "Runaway" actually.
can't read the 1000000 posts but I'd say this album is less "about" ego & more about self-absorption, and is sorta self-aware about this and sorta not
mostly wish it was nastier than it is, so that it could be my imaginary soundtrack to Miles Davis' lost years in the 1970s.
― Euler, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
xp
yeah, but "Kanye" happens to be his life/core subject these days, no? so it would be dishonest of him to be writing about 2003-05 Kanye-type shit these days, actually imo. i mean, part of the reason i dig this album so much is cause i literally cannot see where he could go next--it's a horrible cliche, sure, but he does seem to be teetering on some kind of psycho-emotional/aesthetic precipice at the moment. and i honestly don't see how much more "drama" dude can withstand in both his life and career. but that's just me being me, so grain meet salt, etc.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i literally cannot see where he could go next
COVERS ALBUM
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
haaaaaaa OTM
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye Presents The Great American Songbook. First single: "Feels So Good"
I would think he'd go more the "classics of hip-hop" route, wouldn't he?
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, just ponder Kanye getting his hands on "It's Like That" or "The Message"
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
hey some dude, go actually link me to your post and i'll comment on it. i'm not gonna go crate-digging for your opinions
also, maybe i would have responded to it if someone hadn't banned me for a month. so your real beef is with dan in all honesty
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
oh dip kanye's spaghetti incident would be off the meatrack
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
dude put ma$e in his top 5 rappers of all time, didn't he?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye doing "welcome back" with the transiberian orchestra is a vision too beautiful for this world
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
holiday-themed follow up ftw!
(or maybe Aloha from Kanye in Hawaii: Live via Cybernetic-Implant?)
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― skrrr boi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
sorry, hadn't thought about you being banned since you seemed to be reading a lot of threads at the time anyway. i'll try and link it at some point, though. not sure what Dan has to do w/ it though since he's not really one of the people going "if you think this is similar to his older records you are high" though?
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
from da croup's "kanye vs. beck" thread:
gotta say after this thread i'm now looking forward to Kanye's "record club" phase when he starts holing up with all his friends in Hawaii making loving song-for-song recreations of Harlem World and A Rush Of Blood To The Head
― some dude, Tuesday, November 9, 2010 12:04 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
He is saying it's my fault he got banned.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
(as in i assume that's what he was referencing, not saying "crackers is biters")xpost
― some dude, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
oh right duh xpost
lol honestly i was thinking of Dylan's Self-Portrait but this is even better
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god I am reading the Pitchfork top 10 songs now and the "Runaway" blurb is making me want to kill
Of all the arresting moments on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy-- Nicki Minaj mauling the competition on "Monster", the King Crimson call-and-response of "POWER"-- none is more striking than that instant when the head-spinning, hallucinatory soul of "Devil in a New Dress" dissolves into the sobering piano-tapped intro to "Runaway". It's the sound of Kanye's entire over-Tweeted, Lanvin-lavished, Dubya-dissing universe reduced to one single, lonely chord.
ONE NOTE IS NOT A CHORD, YOU IGNORANT BUFFOON
how can someone be so good at making me want to hate shit I like
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
run away as fast as you can
― *plop*timist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
who wrote that? (i am endeavouring to be mature and not clicking on or paying all that much attention to p4k this year.)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol! i'm pretty sure the writer just misspoke.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Stuart Berman
I don't know anything about him other than obv I wish ill on him and all his descendants until the Earth is consumed by the Sun
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
hahahaha
it is an unpardonable offense to be sure
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 December 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link