2010 Magazine's Albums Of The Year Thread For Posting Lists and Discussion

Well, Pitchfork is basically the textbook definition of "I WANNA BE A TASTEMAKER" so that's not only is that particularly surprising to me, it's completely expected (I didn't see that discussion/article and honestly couldn't care less about it).

yeah, i was just surprised they were so open about it, because that to me is the textbook definition of critical dishonesty - diluting individual critics' opinions for the sake of some "greater good".

which is why Big Boi seems dumb & relies more on a response to critical hype than anything resembling critical perspectives

what? does anything else about the wire list give the remotest impression they're even aware of mainstream critical hype, let alone influenced by it? the big boi album is, as you say, just ok - but it's a super-likeable and way catchy and replayable kind of ok; i'm not remotely surprised at any love given to it, from any quarters.

could just be that they liked it?

― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:16 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its easy to like it when the rap you listen to is limited to rap cosigned by other critics in the bubble. im just giving them shit for not having an independent perspective

i think Big Boi on the Wire list represents the same thing Grinderman or Joanna Newsom does. "Here is an less-underground person who uses avant-garde ideas to make accessible music. We like that stuff too."

matos: rolling my damn eyes

ew. loveless is crafted with love and care to sound fuzzy and warm. sleigh bells just sounds broekn

<3 rdme

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll54/mjm7308/Dance.gif

its easy to like it when the rap you listen to is limited to rap cosigned by other critics in the bubble. im just giving them shit for not having an independent perspective

rmdfe. since when has wire been about what other critics think and not having an independent perspective?

Sleigh Bells sounds messy and brash and excited, which is why I love that album so much.

signed, thet last dude on earth who still loves Atari Teenage Riot

i think whiney makes a pretty logical case for why anyone, including the staff of 'the wire', would like the big boi record

"You know why we should put this obscure Czech trumpet player on the cover? Because Pitchfork covered him first."

yeah, i was just surprised they were so open about it, because that to me is the textbook definition of critical dishonesty - diluting individual critics' opinions for the sake of some "greater good".

I thought it was more like, the editorial crew figure out roughly what kind of score it's going to get, then find someone in the pool of reviewers whose opinions concur - ie kinda manipulative, but not really at the expense of the critic(s)

Lil B & Odd Future are exactly who the Wire should be ranking in year end ish.

Sure, but it's not like they were covering Lil B in the main section of the magazine until "Rain in England".

oh my god please don't let this thread turn into another "how your pitchfork sausages gets made" boreathon

it seems weird to jump down their throats more than any other publication -- sure their magazine basically runs on a bunch of outsider records, but critically acclaimed albums are that for a reason, cuz lots of ppl like them -- it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to figure out

Can we set up a killfile so deej, whiney, and a hoy hoy just don't see each others posts?

"You know why we should put this obscure Czech trumpet player on the cover? Because Pitchfork covered him first."

― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:22 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

obviously they arent quite as confident when it comes to rap

sorry yeah agreed xps

Can we set up a killfile so deej, whiney, and a hoy hoy just don't see each others posts?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PLEASEEEEEE

even if critics pay more attention to the album because dude was in one of the most beloved rap groups of all time for 20 years

Sure, but it's not like they were covering Lil B in the main section of the magazine until "Rain in England".

― seandalai, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 16:24 (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

rong, they did a page on him pretty early, I think before the thread on here got started for example

it seems weird to jump down their throats more than any other publication -- sure their magazine basically runs on a bunch of outsider records, but critically acclaimed albums are that for a reason, cuz lots of ppl like them -- it doesn't seem like a very hard thing to figure out

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:24 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its because they are typically so independent in other music worlds that big boi feels like a cop to critical consensus

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ PLEASEEEEEE

― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:25 AM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dog

<3 deej and whiney both, but h8 every "big" thread turning into a deej/whiney fite

its because they are typically so independent in other music worlds that big boi feels like a cop to critical consensus

Or possibly that Big Boi album is much, much better than you think it is but you are too far down in the weeds to notice.

Guess which scenario EVERYONE on this thread thinks is more likely?

ts because they are typically so independent in other music worlds that big boi feels like a cop to critical consensus

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:25 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

idk man, this seems like some tinfoil hat shit

When Stylus still existed, our grading system was....more idiosyncratic, rarely matching the review's outcome. But we were less conscious about being tastemakers though.

ha, ilxor complaining about other people's posts, that'll be the day

yeah can we really avoid another debate on the merits of editorial oversight of album ratings

Or possibly that Big Boi album is much, much better than you think it is but you are too far down in the weeds to notice.

Guess which scenario EVERYONE on this thread thinks is more likely?

― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:27 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ilxors in enjoying critical consensus rap records shocker?

i mean,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exCJmFlVZGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIShafLwA4M

idk man, this seems like some tinfoil hat shit

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:28 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you yourself have clowned this record for its position as the music critic's rap record

Sure, but it's not like they were covering Lil B in the main section of the magazine until "Rain in England".

― seandalai, Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:24 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

I dunno dawg, Noz was on that shit p early both on cb and in the wire.

"big boi learned everything he knows from merge records"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y4wE1e9WkKs/Sbhg_J7NweI/AAAAAAAAABY/3xDX0n7cNu8/s320/740.jpg

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE JACKA

you yourself have clowned this record for its position as the music critic's rap record

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:30 AM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah but i understand that a lot of (rock) critics like it so i don't get up in arms about it being on these lists

i hope other ppl are SBing whiney right now

great – another cluttered thread.

im dissing the wire for including this for the same reason i praised the classic rock list for sticking to actual rock in its milieu

"<3 deej and whiney both, but h8 every "big" thread turning into a deej/whiney fite"

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weak zings arent worthy of sbs

great – another cluttered thread.

― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:32 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why is ilx suddenly afraid of arguing about this shit? its more interesting than what was happening before imo

weak zings arent worthy of sbs

― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:33 AM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

imo, trying to keep this 'deej whiney beef' meme going is, though

otm

Ok, I missed that Lil B writeup, must have forgotten about it.

ha, ilxor complaining about other people's posts, that'll be the day

least i dont turn every thread into shit like this? the day i have a partner in crime and we derail another 10 threads a day, maybe it'll be comparable

yeah i don't get why everyone is jumping down each other's throats here

btw, can someone post the wire genre lists so we can talk about something else?

least i dont turn every thread into shit like this? the day i have a partner in crime and we derail another 10 threads a day, maybe it'll be comparable

― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:35 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark

HAHAHA YEAH THE DAY YOU GET A PARTNER IN CRIME. WHEN WILL THAT DAY EVER COME

tbh i dont see this as part of the deej-whiney handbags either. disagreeing about something > bitching about nothing.