Joe Zawinul's debut album is better.
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― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, 10 December 2010 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I recommend Richard Williams' recent book about Kind of Blue and the subsequent music he describes as continuing the spirit of that record.
― bham, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm, yeah i was curious about that book, though I'll admit that the cover made me lol.http://www.gaudeamus.fm/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/the-blue-moment-richard-williams-198x300.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
and here's that thread mentioned above -- cool stuff throughout: In A Similarly Silent Way
― tylerw, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, December 10, 2010 3:27 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah i like that almost as much as in a silent way
― 311 did 4/20 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
that is a very bizarre cover, had to look at it a while before I realized what it was
― Dominique, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/miles-davis-in-a-silent-way-round-21-nicks-choice/
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 12 February 2012 10:51 (twelve years ago) link
Melody Maker around 1988 were trying to tout a scene called Oceanic Rock which had In A Silent Way as a benchmark/icon. Included things like A.R.Kane , Saqqara Dogs, Hugo Largo, Bark Psychosis, Butterfly Child, Long Fin Killie, Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom among others.
Turned me onto some good stuff even if it was just a fabricated movement
― Stevolende, Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
Really digging IASW at the mo. Think some more recommendations could include later Talk Talk, things like My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, and possibly the latest stuff by Ulver/Sunn O))). Not exactly the same but similar in execution.
― doglato dozzy (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link
If you haven't heard Deep Listening or Crone Music by Pauline Oliveros, I highly recommend them for IASW fans.
― 330,003 Luftballons (WilliamC), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link
Joe Zawinul - Zawinul
(this is zawinul post-miles, pre-weather report....this album has a lot of the same players, very similar feel
also has zawinul's arrangement of the song "in a silent way" apparently more like how he envisioned it..
this basically is the sister album to in a silent way in a lot of ways
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
good recs there, Deep Listening is amazing but I have never heard the Zawinul album
― sleeve, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link
lineup on zawinul speaks for itself:
Joe Zawinul – acoustic and electric pianoHerbie Hancock – electric pianoGeorge Davis (tracks 1-3 & 5), Hubert Laws (track 4) – fluteWoody Shaw (tracks 1, 2, 4 & 5), Jimmy Owens (track 3) – trumpetEarl Turbinton (tracks 1-3 & 5), Wayne Shorter (track 4) – soprano saxophoneMiroslav Vitouš, Walter Booker – bassBilly Hart, David Lee, Joe Chambers – percussionJack DeJohnette – melodica (track 3), percussion (track 4)
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
(not as much crossover as i remember except shorter and hancock)
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
This is the thread mentioned by blank upthread btw:
In A Similarly Silent Way
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
i think i actually listened to too many things in this vein because of that thread, haha
― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
amazing how (a) fresh (and even forward-thinking) in a silent way still sounds today; and (b) many fresh (and even forward-thinking) modern acts seem inspired by in a silent way. maybe my favorite album ever.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
it really is something (and maybe even stands outside of miles' later electric work). hard to imagine what it was like to hear this record in 1969 for the first time.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:46 (ten years ago) link
i was a big tortoise fan and hearing in a silent way finally was a kind of crazy "oooo shit this is where they got it"....not unlike when teenage fugazi fan me finally heard gang of four and other post punk stuff
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:53 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I had that kind of moment vis a vis Future Days and Laughing Stock when I finally heard IASW.
I actually have yet to listen to the IASW box because I just want those great long edit suites, I don't want to hear it exploded into sessions...
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:59 (ten years ago) link
i heard from ppl that it's sort of underwhelming and i know teo hate those box sets
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link
teo's name should always be said in a dry barely audible miles croak
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link
complete in a silent way box set is pretty happening, i really love this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GehX6bRy1yk
― tylerw, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
the box is good but i haven't listened to any of it in years, nor wanted to
because this record never ever gets old and there are no substitutes for it
― j., Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:12 (ten years ago) link
^ that's the way i feel about these threads recommending other records, none of them stack up (though lots of them are great on their own)
― mizzell, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
I found the box utterly fascinating, partly from the standpoint of hearing how it was constructed (e.g., "Holy shit, Teo heard that organ chord 15 minutes in and realized, 'Yep, we'll use that for the beginning'!"), and partly because the haunting atmosphere of the finished product is still present (and, at times, overwhelming) on the unedited pieces. The box demystifies and mystifies simultaneously.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
Spot on about ´Zawinul´. But what about John Surman´s ´Way Back When´? It´s in the same class as IASW.
― EvR, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
don't know that one, will investigate
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
The edit of IASW/Shh Peaceful and It's About That Time on Panthalassa is worth checking out.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Harold Budd's Pavilion of Dreams and Eberhard Weber's The Following Morning both share an IASW-esque nocturnal ambient fusion vibe.
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
think i mention this every time IASW sound-alikes come up, but this really is the closest thing i know to ssssh/peaceful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv7zSbmQt1o
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
What about Afternoon of a Georgia Faun, is that relevant here? I've always wanted to hear that based on its title alone
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYkosktnmg
― EvR, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
it's a great rec, but it's not especially like IASW (guess the closest point of comparison wld be like a less zany art ensemble)
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
Surman is really good, thanks
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:22 (ten years ago) link
To me Afternoon of a Georgia Faun really sounds like Americans binging on the already emergent Euro improv aesthetic, particularly that of the John Stevens/SME variety.
― Call the Cops, Thursday, 6 February 2014 07:11 (ten years ago) link
Shuggie Otis' Freedom Flight sounds a huge lot like IASW (the quieter sections from side two + a couple bluesy licks, basically)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rL-pE0xNC4
― cock chirea, Thursday, 6 February 2014 09:32 (ten years ago) link
this been posted yet? apologies if I missed it.
Ray Moore (mixing and editing engineer): The mixing and editing took place between September 22 to October 24, although I did not work on the project exclusively. What was unusual was that Miles came in five times during this period. The first time on September 24. He didn’t say very much, but wanted certain things taken out. He was unhappy with Harvey Brooks’ solos. At one point he said to me, ‘I want all the C’s taken out.’ I looked at him and said, ‘You have to tell me which C’s and how to do it without breaking the phrases.’ He also wanted me to cut the tape at a certain point, and then specified another place where he wanted me to come in again. I said to him, ‘Miles, if you do that, there will be a ¾ measure, instead of 4/4. He looked at me, a bit taken aback, and then said, ‘Cut the fucking tape! Who is going to know?’
http://www.miles-beyond.com/iaswbitchesbrew.htm
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
wow @ teo:
Teo Macero: Miles would record his stuff, and then he’d just leave. He would sometimes say, ‘I like this or that,’ and then I’d say: ‘I’ll listen to it and I’ll put it together. If you like it, fine, if not, we’ll change it.’ So I was the one with the vision. Miles also had a vision, but he wasn’t really a composer, he didn’t compose in an organized way. It was happenstance. He played with these great musicians, and when they had played enough, I was able to cut out the stuff that wasn’t good, and piece something together from the rest. When we began editing In A Silent Way we had two huge stacks of 2” tape, 40-something reels in total. They were recorded over a longer period. It was one of the rare times Miles came to an editing session, because I’d told him, ‘This is a big job, you want to get your ass down here.’ So Miles said, ‘We’ll do it together.’ And we did. We cut things down to 8 ½ minutes on one LP side, and 9 ½ on the other, and then he said to me, “That’s my record.’ I said, ‘Go to hell!’ because it wasn’t enough music for an album. So I ended up creating repeats to make it longer. A lot of the stuff we cut was bullshit, and some of it is put out on this new boxed set. I raised hell at Columbia the other day and told them it was ridiculous they’re putting this bullshit out.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
lol 'repeats to make it longer' somewhere stanley crouch is just sooooo vindicated, he thinks
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
brb gonna go remove all the C's from some records
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
the 18 minute version would probably be amazing.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
well since the repeats were added it should be easy to recreate
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
loooool
while we were standing in the hallway John came over and whispered to me, ‘Can I ask you a question? I answered, ‘Sure’. He then said, ‘Herbie, I can’t tell... was that any good what we did? I mean, what did we do? I can’t tell what’s going on!’
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
In A Short Sweet Way xp
― sleeve, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
The Down Beat review (by Martin Williams, iirc) took the repetition to be a sloppily-overlooked technical error.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
so he noticed that it was verbatim, that's sharp
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
Gleefully anticipating the Sony Legacy 60th anniversary "Miles' Cut" Silent Way 7" already.
― Call the Cops, Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
followed by the box set of bill laswell remix 7"s
― i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 20 February 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
slightly off-topic: Bobby Previte put together an orchestra that plays Miles' electric stuff. A clip:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEwbgzSeog
Miles At The Fillmore - Miles Davis 1970: The Bootleg Series Vol. 3 4CD Box Set To Be Released March 25
― EvR, Saturday, 22 February 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link