Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

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The point here is that this rascist argument is being used again and again by talentless (mainly white) fans with no knowledge of true music at all, to put down people who do actually have musical skills that they, personally, don't understand.

Geir many of the people who are arguing with you happen to be very talented. speking for myself and myself only, i make my living as a music writer and try my best to be a good one, covering a wide range of different styles. I understand melody, harmony and chord structures as well as you but I also understand many other things such as rhythm and emotion. You have just shown yourself up to be not only hopelessy blinkered and ethically suspect, but also as an arrogant and obnoxious fuckwit...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se? In other words, it would be like asking why nobody bought fiction books based on the NY Times bestseller list for *nonfiction* -- get it?

And finally, you stepped in a stupid fucking field of landmines by starting a thread on race in which you argued that race shouldn't be looked at and simultaneously made absurd assumptions (like R&B chart = sample of black people's listening rather than of people who listen to R&B's listening) premised on racial differences.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, I think the first thing on pt II that he said was that race has nothing to do with music (just like sex on another one as well)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

geir hongro = norwegian dood

-- gygax! (gygax0...), April 2nd, 2003.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Geir genuinely thinks that Class Part 2 talked about the implicit racism of radio-friendly British pop-rock bands. Maybe the term "indie" is confusing because it means something different in Europe (esp. Britain) than it does in America. But Geir, the topic mostly centered on American Indie Rock, and its divorce from popular culture at large (which, in America, is very saturated with "black" elements). Maybe a few people were making accusations that American Indie Rock *suffered* from not incorporating these elements. But a lot of us were just trying to analyze the cultural phenomenon. Your comments weren't quite appropriate because you labored under false assumptions (see above) and your unfamiliarity with a) American indie rock and b) African-American culture make you sorta unqualified to critique our points. It'd be like if you started a thread on Norwegian musical tastes: I might be curious about the topic, but I wouldn't deign to argue about it, since I know very little about it (although that Norwegian Top 40 was very amusing). See what I mean?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

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James Blount really knows how to fry an egg
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― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

wasn't he already warned about this on another thread?

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

(you're going to need a bigger boat. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

(I've gotta be here all day, cal. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

*pump*

― Mister Blobby, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, it's been said about every other thread but c'mon, this thread is SO obviously troll.

Geir = funny (If unintentionally)

Geir hate = lame

― David Allen, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se?

They are based on certain record stores, that have mainly a black audience.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah yes, black record stores like Columbia House, Amazon.com, Best Buy, and Tower.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:21 (twenty-three years ago)

*chokes and laffs*

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir, I asked this in a thread recently but it got lost in the shuffle: What do you think about Cuban music?

― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't really know enough about Cuban music to have an opinion (never saw that movie..).
Usually, Latin American music is able to combine rhythm and melody in a great way.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 25 April 2003 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Humility from Geir--astonishing. If only he had exhibited this trait on the country thread, I wouldn't have got my blood pressure up.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir, for starters you should get the Buena Vista Social Club album. It's got most of the Cuban greats on it, at times all on one track. There are fully compose, ORIGINAL songs: I think you might actually like it. :-)

― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

Like a supernova, he appeared before us, luminous and awesome, and then just as quickly he disappeared.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I miss Geir

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

a CHAMPAGNE supernova

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

he's posted like once or twice since he was disappeared by the rhythm nation. I keep hoping (heh, fearing) it'll be more than a cameo, but nothing yet.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Like a supernova, he appeared before us, luminous and awesome, and then just as quickly he disappeared.
...and came close to annihilating everything around him...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this struck me as geir-esque albeit even more trolly and unapprised.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Geir was ever trolly.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Whats A.M.A? And what did Geir do in 1995? (height of Britpop wasnt it?)

― Rickshawman, Friday, 29 August 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

alt.music.alternative

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Usually, Latin American music is able to combine rhythm and melody in a great way.

This is sensible enough.

― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember an AMA argument, where someone pointed out that david gilmour's guitar playing in "shine on, you crazy diamond" was largely blues-based -- this was after geir had said something about pink floyd's alleged "european" melodies and that they worked in the "european classical" tradition or something like that. gilmour's guitar playing on "SOYCD" was brought up to counter that assertion, and most AMA'ers agreed. except geir, who kept sputtering on and on not only about pink floyd's adherence to "european" musical forms but that gilmour's guitar playing on "SOYCD" was also "european."

i didn't know what to make of geir's "arguments" then -- i still don't five years later, to be honest with you.

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I like having Geir back. He never was a troll, merely, um.. opinionated. But he's one of those folks who, you know, makes you appreciate your own views more by disagreeing with them.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm confident enough in my tastes without needing a geir as a foil. i suspect this is true of many other ilm posters.

― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually no, Amateurist, how about you stop pathetically badgering a guy who does no harm to anyone and leave it be?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm nineteen years old with a mouth full of gold.

― d k (d k), Saturday, 30 August 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

''i'm confident enough in my tastes without needing a geir as a foil.''

good for you. like Geir you also have all the anwers.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio - let's have it, what's your problem with Amateurist? You seem to have been following him round board picking up little niggles and copy-pasting them then dismissing them. It's kinda bullying, even if Ama is a strong and intelligent and possibly-not-bothered contestant.

(I don't know if I should be openly asking for this to be aired ["oh no! 900 new answers by morning!! OH NO!!!"] but I think it's healthy to have it out instead of all these asides and snidey glances.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the damn outbursts for one.

I mean, i like him a lot and sorry for picking but what the hell is it with that comment (and most of the anti-geir stuff by some of the other posters, I mean he has only come back yesterday and ppl are already going bonkers over that).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

OK apologies to amt. I should ignore that stuff too.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

geir is daft as a brush, but i'm pleased to have him back.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 30 August 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

We miss Geir when he's gone, and then after a few repetitions of the "this isn't music because it's not melodic" meme the charm begins to wear off.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

HG is classic.
As are the Beatles ;-)

― mei (mei), Sunday, 31 August 2003 08:37 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

so classic it hurts

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 22 November 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

2 years...

― elwisty (elwisty), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Waves of 1995 nostalgia wash over me.
Dogme 95? Lars von Trier? Dancer in the Dark? How Scandinavian of me!

― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 17 April 2005 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir is a goddamn genius.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 17 April 2005 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a hongro, hongro world.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 17 April 2005 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic. I disagree with most of what Geir says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it.

― Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Sunday, 17 April 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, maybe not to the death.

― Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Sunday, 17 April 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic! :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 17 April 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I will defend to Geir's death his right to say what he says.

― Masked Gazza, Sunday, 17 April 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

WAS Classic, because it's good to have a viewpoint which is so much at odds with whatever passes for a consensus round here. Fly in the ointment and all that. Also Classic for a) good taste in Italo-disco, b) "Talking To A Computer", c) never, EVER, resorting to rudeness to make his points.

NOW, sorry to say, veering towards Dud, because I keep reading the exact same points being made over and over again, in thread after thread after thread. Which wouldn't bug me, except that sometimes potentially new and interesting threads get sidetracked and shunted back into the same old arguments.

Sorry Geir, nothing personal.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Sunday, 17 April 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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