Crass: C or D?

left wing SBs right wing SBs all the fucking same

I nearly went to see Springa Sings Decontrol a couple of years ago but that tour got cancelled.

what was the thing in the crass doc about celebs wearing bootleg crass shirts? was it beckham? that was funny but kinda sad

i still have a crass shirt from the 80's. dunno if its legal. probably not.

Pretty sure any Crass t-shirt is a bootleg

oh right they would be...

plus i always felt kinda funny wearing it back then anyway. cuz it says jesus died for his own sins not mine. which isn't something i ever really thought or cared about. and its not something i would want to get into a fight about.

its funny that they created a brand and logo that was so enticing to people that people would buy ANYTHING with the crass name on it. or ironic or whatever. they were amazing advertising/marketing people. they could have made millions.

hey, POO, click on the 24 HOURS OF HARDCORE link:

http://www.americanhardcorebook.com

i gotta devote a day to those MP3s!

Pretty sure any Crass t-shirt is a bootleg

Weren't they always about the "make your own"?

As opposed to "make loads then sell them, loadsamoney" obv.

Well yeah, I meant any Crass t-shirt that someone buys, not made their own.

I know, it was more that at the time, they couldn't be seen to be profiting from "fan worship" i.e. T-Shirt sales. LP sales/ticket sales are a different matter, however...

POO, did you check that link out?

its funny that they created a brand and logo that was so enticing to people that people would buy ANYTHING with the crass name on it. or ironic or whatever. they were amazing advertising/marketing people. they could have made millions.

^this x [some big number], see also Black Flag - have been saying this for quite a few years but yeah I think anyone who is *surprised* that bands like this and a lot of general HC/anarcho iconography ends up in large clothing stores etc isn't really thinking hard enough

I think if you'd told them *at the time*, they'd have thought you mad. But when you'd convinced them, they'd have been stuck as to what to do about it.

Scott - yeah I did, hadn't seen that before (although I have watched the movie) - tbh I have 4 days of hardcore on my ipod, bunch of amateurs if you ask me.

what was the thing in the crass doc about celebs wearing bootleg crass shirts? was it beckham? that was funny but kinda sad

Think I've seen a picture of Angelina Jolie in one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DTzg0q3TE0E/S1CmqAP2hqI/AAAAAAAAAPs/7NdMxR_1O0A/s400/jolie2pt.jpg

You've not heard her version of "Fuck is wimmin's money" then?

I still have the free sew-on patch that came with "Nagasaski Nightmare". I wimped out of getting my mum to sew it on my jacket.

Sometimes I miss Crass.

Christ: The Album is classic

and, fittingly it was Ned's review of it that caused me to get it in the first place...

Gotta start somewhere.

:)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/07/23/alg_theroux_aniston.jpg

i pity the fool that dismisses Crass

BEG THE QUESTION
BEND THE TRUTH
BAIL OUT THE BASEMENT
WHILE THERE'S HOLES IN THE ROOF

Yes Sir, I Will is seriously criminally underappreciated as a piece of weirdo avant-noise-collage whatever the fuck you wanna call it. It's almost Boredoms-y

As is 10 Notes on a Summer's Day.

Steve Ignorant being interviewed by John Robb about his life, his music etc.. http://vimeo.com/31018480

you lost me at John Robb

anybody picked up those reissued CDs? I'm curious about the sound and the liner notes. They're a little, uh, pricey for what I associate w/this band.

http://www.anarcho-punk.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=61407

Sigh

Crass 1 Wankers 0

I was listening in on a phone call between Penny Rimbaud and a band who'd released something which was kept in print for years - with nary a royalty paid. The band was demanding the return of the masters, to which they would create a new release, augmented with unreleased stuff, packaged better and generally improved in every way. They were "accepting" of the fact that Crass had never paid royalties (in other words, they didn't make demands or threats or anything about the great deal of money they'd lost.) They just wanted the tapes that *they owned* and that *they had paid for* to be returned to them.

Penny went ballistic, saying that he would sooner burn the tapes in a fire pit than return them and that "he needed to make money to survive." Then he slammed the phone day. I always thought Crass were too strident and dogmatic and finger-pointing (despite half-hearted protests to the contrary) to be taken very seriously. And I always thought that their records were pretty weak. But even I was shocked at the petulant quality of his outburst. Things were eventually resolved to *some* satisfaction of the band (legally, they did own the tapes, but they couldn't afford to fight it.

Anyway, none of this crap surprises me. Crass always gave the Clash shit for their supposed "sell-out" commercialism, but knowing Joe and Mick and various others in that gang, I find it funny to know how much (unannounced) good work Joe used to do for people - myself included - and how much time and energy even "rock and roll Mick" devotes to fund-raising and charities, and how, despite some acrimony during the original band's break-up, they mended fences, took care of business, agreed on some counterintuitive things (like not having reunions) and helped each other out quite a bit behind the scenes. When you compare this to the behavior of most Crass members in recent years - despite their relatively small pile of loot to fight over, it's hilarious. Pathetic,

The Takedown of the 3000

That's a fascinating post! (xp) I mean, never trust a hippy, right? He (P. Rimbaud) lives across the road from a pub I frequent, don't know if he comes in though, wouldn't know him from Adam anyway. (By the way, re the Clash, I don't think any wealthy bastard deserves a medal for 'fund-raising and charities')

good for penny. fuck those crybaby assholes. more like anarcho-fart.joke

(By the way, re the Clash, I don't think any wealthy bastard deserves a medal for 'fund-raising and charities')

an unnecessarily meanspirited aside serving no purpose as far as I can see - the notion that nobody should commend anybody for doing charity work because after all, they're rich, they should do lots of fundraising: how petty and small. people who get rich tend to realize quickly they're not obligated to do jack shit; putting in a day's work for no pay in order to help others is a nice thing to do; upbraiding somebody for giving props to a guy who does some charity work seems pretty sad to me

have you noticed that i'm STILL waiting for that radio station that joe strummer said he was gonna start?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIVCneVSvIM

aero otm. sneering at the charitable actions of others is nagl. even if they have committed sins of wealth-having.

Even if they did nothing other than play on Honey Bane's "Girl on the Run," classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7sPZvLRTFI

I was listening in on a phone call between Penny Rimbaud and a band who'd released something which was kept in print for years

― crustaceanrebel, Monday, July 23, 2012 1:51 AM

no u weren't

good for penny. fuck those crybaby assholes.

OTM. Whiny, entitled pricks. Crass's never said "Pay No More Than Zero".

no u weren't

― am0n, Monday, July 23, 2012 2:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink'

Well, yes I was. Still have Penny's number, in fact!

As far as the Clash goes - I worked with several of them - it's not widely known what catastrophic financial position most of them were in for years after the break-up. Joe really didn't see more than enough to survive on a basic level until the mid-90s, when the band's massive debts to their label (you didn't get low-priced albums like "London Calling" and "Sandinista!" without the band taking reduced royalties) and other parties were paid off. Even at the height of the band's popularity, he couldn't get a loan to buy a decent flat. He makes more money now than he did while he was alive. Topper was reduced to terrible financial circumstances (and not because of heroin, doubters) for years. Yet still, all these guys were generous with their time, energy and talent. And that may not seem like a lot, but that's because quite a lot of what they did they never announced and often refused to publicize. Mick, who's probably the most well-off in the band, being (roughly) 50% of the songwriting team, with post-Clash success and an incredible work ethic, still isn't as rich as you think.

You'd be surprised how little many "wealthy bastards" in punk actually make. Or made. Captain Sensible and Dave Vanian, members of the Damned from the beginning (for the most part), have incomes most people would consider very low middle-class, despite many hits in the UK and strong catalog sales of their 35 years worth of recordings. Guys like John McGeogh, who played with Magazine, Visage, Public Image Lts and the Banshees and had hits with most of them, barely scraped by. I could tell similar stories about loads of people from that era whom many would think would be wealthy. They rarely are very comfortable. But few of them act as ungenerously as Penny and various Crass members.

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sneering at the charitable actions of others is nagl.

Probably not but I'm somewhat embittered having worked in the charity sector for a long time (thankfully no more, fuck that shit) which was largely reliant on City of London types for fundraising, y'know those guys who've fucked up the world economy and earn more in a week than you earn in a year and pay less tax than the people who clean their offices? Still they some give crumbs off their table to some poor people (but only if they live a LONG way away from them), so well done chaps. But, yr right, it was a stupid spiteful stab at the Clash, who all seem(ed) like good blokes. Apologies.

Cheerfully accepted, thanks Tom D.!