Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i.e. guilty as charged

butthurtedness reigns

― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, November 25, 2010 3:59 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'll say.

Right, and I'm not accusing everyone here of that.

I am, in fact, referring to most of the published reviews.

ILXors in "our unsanctioned collective thoughts are better than published music writing" shockah

lol, 'sanctioned'

butthurtedness reigns

this is the working title of your autobiography, right?

or your next album

imo yer all nuts btw.

if I was as butthurt on my records as you are on ilx 24/7/365, I'd be a millionaire, emo's big business

forcing you to go off-board for your zing is like shooting fish in a barrel though, appreciate you as much as admitting that you're beaten

i think im more 'concerned with your obsessive posting' than 'butthurt'

looooool nice try

how to deej
1. make assertion, change ground when confronted
2. stand ground on new claim
3. when opponent becomes frustrated, claim he's really focused on you/part of a group ganging up on you
4. rinse, lather repeat

how do i hurt butt

happy thanksgiving, rap threads!

Btw hurting butt involves a plunger and an echinoderm. 

teach me teach me how to butthurt

all my butts love me

all my butts hurt me

at least once or twice a month i'll go to check my e-mail and there's a message from deej on gchat or AIM about him venting about some ilx beef, often on a thread i haven't even posted on or looked at, and i'm like "uh dude why do you need talk about this outside the board and why do you assume i'd have your back"

i started hearing the "j0hn is obsessed with me, he has it out for me" theory before i even saw you guys get into it on any recent threads btw

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/paranoia.jpg

yeah

how to deej
1. make assertion, change ground when confronted
2. stand ground on new claim
3. when opponent becomes frustrated, claim he's really focused on you/part of a group ganging up on you
4. rinse, lather repeat

Goldberg favorite rhetorical move is to pretend that he's making some grand, semi-controversial point, then back off when asked to defend it. He wrote an entire book called "Liberal Fascism," about how liberals are the real fascists, but constantly insists that the theme of his book was not "liberals are fascists." He wrote a column about how Julian Assange should be assassinated, but insisted that the point of his column was not to say that Julian Assange should be assassinated. Did you know that proposing that kids perform community service 'is modern slavery?!? ("No, national service isn't slavery," he eventually writes, before saying, again, that it's basically the same thing.)

tmi

lol @ lex's review of this

ride on brother

KBP Review: this is pretty great but I am worried about you, Kanye.

How did the editor let this review through? What are you trying to knock down the Metacritic score a few points? How bout some legitimate points about the album instead of just attacking the guy as a person and presenting general points with nothing to back it up...What an asinine review.

also props to the guardian for publishing that. the reviews of this album make me want to stop reading any music criticism xp

What are you trying to knock down the Metacritic score a few points?

i genuinely contemplated giving it one star just for this! but decided to be ~fair~ in the end, sigh

I don't really feel qualified/care to judge the "quality" of a review or whatever. Just glad not every single critic is calling this a masterpiece. Like some dude said on his twitter: how do we expect these guys to actually make genius albums if we give average albums like this 10/10?

can you honestly say that asa writer, you think this 'review' makes valid points, or even makes an interesting contribution to the 'kanye west debate'?

I've noticed a depressing trend in the comments on Lex's review and others - this assumption by people who don't seem to understand that the Guardian is also a NEWSPAPER that all contentious opinions are just craven attempts to optimise page views, as if the Gawker model is the only game in town.

"You're focusing on his persona, not the music" is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen in a while given his persona is inseparable from the music.

and given that the substance of the album is solely kanye's persona!

Just because Kanye's persona is all over his music doesn't mean that critiquing his persona is equivalent to critiquing the music. That would be like, I dunno, reviewing a Lady Gaga records by making fun of her outfits and not bothering to talk about the music.

by the same token, being impressed by kanye's persona isn't the equivalent of being impressed by his music (which is what seems to be happening with nearly all of the reviews so far)

Just because Kanye's persona is all over his music doesn't mean that critiquing his persona is equivalent to critiquing the music. That would be like, I dunno, reviewing a Lady Gaga records by making fun of her outfits and not bothering to talk about the music.

Not really, because Gaga's persona mostly doesn't bleed into her records, Bad Romance aside most of them could be by anyone. You could never say the same about Kanye.

Mentioned it somewhere else, but I think if someone like Lady Gaga is all glorious ego, than this album is all super ego struggling against Id. Personally, I like the conflict, especially since I'm not quite sure where Kanye stands on the divide. Perhaps that's why it comes off so dark: Kanye doesn't know, either.

Lady Gaga might not be the best example (she was first name that came to mind -- someone whose celebrity is tied up in her music/clothes/persona and you can't really understand the person by trying to break her down into those separate elements) but it's not like there's a shortage of musicians whose "personas" are all over their records. It's just that Kanye is a bigger star than 99.99% of those people, so there's more of a temptation to attack the persona instead of/as well as the music.

this might be a question of how much importance you place on lyrics - judging kanye's lyrics (esp here) IS to judge his persona.

how do we expect these guys to actually make genius albums if we give average albums like this 10/10?

this strikes me as an odd reading of the critic/artist relationship

Yeah it's not as if Kanye sat down in his studio and went "yeah, make an average album, Pitchfork will offer it 10.0 and my place in the pantheon will be assured forever".

can someone actually link lex's review?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/25/kanye-west-beautiful-dark-twisted-review

Hey Lex someone called you out for the 4/5 you gave to My Chemical Romance.

lol @ the url

lex's review otm, the comments are looooooooooool. if metacritic says its good, you must be a terrible person lex.

Weird reverence for Metacritic the most dispiriting part of the whole thing IMO.