Where's nabisco's piece, btw?
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think u got a mention in it dogg
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
was a time when only hitting the lower reaches of the top 20 would have signaled the dimming of a once bright star, not the crowning of the new king of pop
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:15 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
I have no idea what you're talking about if you're referring to me.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
"Slow Jamz" was always on the advances of College Dropout; Twista's label realized it was a hit and pushed it and got his album out first, but it still stayed on Kanye's album.
notice how this contradicts exactly nothing in my post
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was clarifying because your "it came out after the song hit" makes it sound like they just threw it on as a bonus track because it had been big on another artist's album earlier
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/filthy_rich_kanye_wests_royal.html
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I was actually just pointing out why I missed "Slow Jamz", ie Billboard counts it as a Twiasta song and also I hate it
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ha no, rennavate, it was an ~awesome~ joke about kanye alluding to deej on the track
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
who think of him as the great artist of our time, our Dylan or our MJ or our Stevie. seriously.
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:22 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
he's not?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the crowning of a new king of long rap songs
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
you know who is the true visionary of our time, is that guy from Owl City
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
hahaha kk that's what i get for showing up in these things are random times without catching up
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also CAD is right this album is his least pop -- the chart numbers are a bit deceiving cuz they're almost totally based on itunes sales -- none of the songs climbed the charts at all, they were just kinda flares based -- none of these songs are getting major radio play, definitely not compared to his other albums
and this isn't gonna sell that much more than nicki's album apparently, & not even half as much as taylor swift
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye is gonna run into Billboard and yell at them for denying him and Nicki the top spots
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
really liked that nabisco piece, unsurprisingly
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't mind kanye, but mj/stevie comparisons make me hate him.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It’s not simply Kanye’s ego that puts me in mind of crusty aristocrats: It’s also the drums, samples, melodies, and synths on this album. Crisp, graceful sounds keep bumping up against muddy, sweaty ones. Elegant minor-key melodies keep bumping up against rawness and ego. Opulence bumps up against grit, until the music begins to sound a little decayed, tragic, and under threat.
love this
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (5 minutes ago) Permalink
except hes totally pushing this as an 'album art' type deal, not a comp of hot singles
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
right, so he's not a pop star, he's a fuckin album rock artist
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
which is pretty much the problem with this album
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
well, no
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
he's certainly a pop star
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
and they make no sense. he just hasn't been a hitmaker on that level. he's come close, but no more so than a number of other artists over the past decade. not even sure i buy that he's been a culture shaper on a similar level. i see him more as a very clear and available mirror.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
xp no not completely but there is something abt the proceedings here that scream big-ass rock album to me
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I think with this album there is definitely "something about the proceedings here that scream big-ass rock album," and I think that's partially why the album's received so much praise, for better or worse.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean bubba sparxx was a much better bubba sparxx idg why he needed that persona -- even from a marketing standpoint it feels redundent
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
doh rong thread
haha i was having a lot of trouble parsing that
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
and this isn't gonna sell that much more than nicki's album apparently, & not even half as much as taylor swift― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago)
I thought he'd do at least as well as Taylor! Yikes!
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
he is a pop star, but what seems to make him relevant is that he manages to bridge the gap between the last decade or so of "reality" stars who generate nothing more than they own brand identities and our received ideas of what pop stardom is supposed to be ("important" in the dylan/mj sense).
and yes, this is definitely an aor-style "big rock album," just like the love below was. probably why i like them both so much. tusk!
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:32 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
If you talk to a rock critic, they'll always say they like The Love Below more; rap critics will say they like Speakerboxxx more. I think that speaks volumes.
(And of course I'm generalizing here.)
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
oh for the love of god don't mention 'the love below'
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Flying Lotusflyinglotus Flying Lotuskanye is so good at being just good enough.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
you could maybe argue that the rush to embrace this album represents a retreat to a kind of aesthetic morality (important! visionary! risky! real! progressive!) in response to a pop culture that's become a bit too satisfied with pop artifice and superficiality. hence n's fascination with the grime beneath the polish.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
not "hence" so much as "for example"
wtf hence, anyway? what kind of word is that? it doesn't even look right. hence.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Jumping back to this here (and maybe this has been discussed since, busy at work and can't really keep up with this thread), but didn't 808s get off to a slow sales start?
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― markers, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:30 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark
didnt she outsell the entire top 49 combined the week she went number 1?
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
ill be honestly surprised if he does worse than nicki. maybe a gender gap in downloading lps manifests here?
somehow I am not at all surprised that it looks like the black egomaniac is going to be outsold by the wholesome white girl he shamed on national television
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
well to be fair she was selling more than he ever has even before the vmas thing
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah markers is trippin -- 'speak now''s first week numbers are the highest since carter III & will probably be the most for another few years or so
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:49 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
i don't think this is a retreat btw -- people have always been enamored w/ this kind of stuff
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
how many copies did graduation sell? im seriously vv surprised hes supposedly going to sell so many fewer copies of this than speak now
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
wikipedia sez 2,166,000
in the us
holy shit, alright, yeah, fearless had 6 mil + in the US, discussion over
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Why is that so surprising to you markers? Genuinely curious. I would have thought it'd be pretty obvious that T-Swift was going to obliterate pretty much everyone right now.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:01 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i know. was mentally framing that wr2 popism.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I would have thought it'd be pretty obvious that T-Swift was going to obliterate pretty much everyone right now.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
also obvious that kanye never really has been a massive pop star as measured by sales/hits. but his brand is "massive pop star" and apparently that's enough.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
if selling almost 20 million albums doesn't make you a massive pop star, I'm not sure what does
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link