see, Em came to mind immediately as i was typing that out, and i think the point when he turned to writing shit about his actual real life (well sorta) and not just gonzo shit in general is when ppl in general cooled on him being this next level could-be-important dude? like if i think of all my favorite/best em tracks basically none of them have any grounding in reality, or are about how ~hard~ it is to be eminem
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 12:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, but isn't that because em was writing directly from and to the 13 year-old male id? that's why i dug him so much over the course of those first two albums, and, imo, why he became so important to his young fanbase. the self-centered myopia of em's persona was perfectly matched to the sensibility of a specific age group. but kanye's never spoken for tweens. if he ever did, he certainly isn't doing so now. early on, he spoke for young men, those on the verge of adulthood. now he's narrating the journey through. which makes the appeal of his narcissistic myopia mystifying to me. is it possible that masses of 20 and 30 year-olds actually relate to his post-late registration persona?
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
somehow I don't think anyone is going to have a problem marketing or digesting "crazy-egotistical Kanye West album"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
u guys realize this is gonna sell gajillions of copies, right? that this isnt some weird quirk of music critics?
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a kanye album with longer songs, not 'metal machine music'
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean u can boggle at the idea that ppl think hes a great artist but yr not just talking about ryan dombal & pfork editors, yr talking about lots & lots of music listeners
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
sure it's going to sell i think it's more like "who is buying it and what do they like about it"
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it's all good until you hear the record and it's not nearly as fun as the description reads
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
bcuz its simultaneously insecure and egotistical, in public display w/ its privateness, its a v social media age record. ppl can at some level even relate to this agnoizing solipsism. gross imo but it is relateable
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
u guys need to read nabisco's piece
people are acting like Kanye albums are impenetrable art pieces and not, like, Billboard fodder at its most self-regarding
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
guess i could be underrating the appeal of emo garbage like runaway
the livejournal generation is buying rap records yall
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i read nabisco's piece, it was good.
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
an end screen cap for the POWER music video would've been endlessly more satisfying than this "this is not a CD - this is art" vibes the actual artwork is giving off
― Good news, everyone! (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
dude that is precisely what we were bogglin
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i'm just stuck on agreeing w/a lot of what you guys are saying while still be mystified at how that results in the album being enjoyable
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"Runaway" and "Monster" are both top 20 hits; don't know if they're still climbing or not
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if either will get into the top 10, though, and every previous album has had at least one or more top 5 hits.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
ok good to know--i never hear ye in my four-times-daily scan of the radio
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the album is all but guaranteed to sell well, at least initially. i'll be curious to see how the singles wind up faring. can see it being a solid chart success, but there is no way it's gonna be some thriller-style grand slam. it's not inaccessible, but nor is it packed to the gills with massive smash hits. it's not like he's the black-eyed peas or something.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
okay maybe not "Monster", can't find a source for that beyond Wikipedia
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
also nothing off of College Dropout was Top 5
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i think "Monster" has peaked at like #18 so far, yeah, might've mentioned it upthread. it's the only one of these songs i've heard a lot on the radio, and it says something when the big shapeless posse cut is outperforming the predestined "pop" single.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"Slow Jamz" was on College Dropout
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"Runaway" hit #12
for comparison's sake, "Jesus Walks" hit #11
xp: "Slow Jamz" is not listed on the Billboard website
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it was marketed as a Twista single even though it was also on Kanye's album? (which IIRC came out after that song hit)
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
deej (and apparently nitsuh? i haven't read the review) otm about kanye being the perfect pop star for the era of oversharing and MBDTF reflecting this. that's more a part of the album's narrative of importance than a positive or negative quality, though.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/entertainment/When+more+becomes+much/3869323/story.html
Here's my review of this, published today.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"Slow Jamz" was always on the advances of College Dropout; Twista's label realized it was a hit and pushed it and got his album out first, but it still stayed on Kanye's album.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idk about 'shapeless' -- do u just mean 'lacks a chorus'?? its the most immediate for sure
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure any singles off this are gonna do well outside the US - Power only just made the top 40 here, Runaway a new entry this week at 56 - really no idea if that will climb higher or sink at this point
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
notice how this contradicts exactly nothing in my post
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i realllly dont get the critical hosannahs for 'power' -- that song's appeal entirely alludes me
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
doh, eludes
well i just mean oddly structured -- weird intro that sounds nothing like the rest of a song, one verse that goes 4 bars and another that goes 32 bars, long outro that a lot of DJs cut off, etc. all i was saying is that "Monster" is probably the most well liked song on the record and it's not a top 40 hit in the "Gold Digger" mold.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
xp apparently, it sounds like other, better kanye songs
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Where's nabisco's piece, btw?
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think u got a mention in it dogg
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
was a time when only hitting the lower reaches of the top 20 would have signaled the dimming of a once bright star, not the crowning of the new king of pop
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:15 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark
I have no idea what you're talking about if you're referring to me.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was clarifying because your "it came out after the song hit" makes it sound like they just threw it on as a bonus track because it had been big on another artist's album earlier
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/filthy_rich_kanye_wests_royal.html
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I was actually just pointing out why I missed "Slow Jamz", ie Billboard counts it as a Twiasta song and also I hate it
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ha no, rennavate, it was an ~awesome~ joke about kanye alluding to deej on the track
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
who think of him as the great artist of our time, our Dylan or our MJ or our Stevie. seriously.
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:22 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
he's not?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the crowning of a new king of long rap songs
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
you know who is the true visionary of our time, is that guy from Owl City
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
hahaha kk that's what i get for showing up in these things are random times without catching up
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also CAD is right this album is his least pop -- the chart numbers are a bit deceiving cuz they're almost totally based on itunes sales -- none of the songs climbed the charts at all, they were just kinda flares based -- none of these songs are getting major radio play, definitely not compared to his other albums
and this isn't gonna sell that much more than nicki's album apparently, & not even half as much as taylor swift
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye is gonna run into Billboard and yell at them for denying him and Nicki the top spots
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link