Def Leppard 'Hysteria': C/D?

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haha nevermind != grunge

Well, supposedly it getting to number one meant more than Adrenalize debuting there. (Number two that week -- Wish by the Cure!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

1990/1991 were weird years.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

strongo = closet NELSON fan?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck winger ... i was happier that nirvana et. al. got rid of NELSON.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f595/f59513p0fnk.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, strongo, by '91, I think it was more of a choice between "Let's Get Rocked"/"Make Love Like a Man" and grunge.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

90/91 was also the heyday of ice cube/public enemy/jungle brothers/geto boys/de la soul/tribe called quest.

i was almost trife-an those days.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm actually getting a little tired of hating on the whole '90s rock gestalt. Most of the hair-farmers were already turning into wanna-be cowboys (their audience REALLY turned into cowboys thanks to Garth Brooks), REM's Out Of Time was the first rock album to hit number one in over a year when it did and Candlebox would have been just as big in 88 as 92 (it's called a power ballad, it was nothing new). It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. Billy Corgan, Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain, Trent Reznor, etc. fit the times pretty well. It's important to remember that the good-times patrol were REALLY not putting up a fight at the time, releasing nothing but ballads and lukewarm shit like Adrenalize. It's definitely annoying that the liberal, "considerate" bands couldn't work up the infectious enthusiasm of '80s groups (Beasties being an arguable exception), this shouldn't be surprising. Look at liberal candidates vs. conservative ones. Considering all the elements vs. going with what comes naturally. Grime vs. crunk!

Besides Meat Loaf was huge 1993.

Ok, that was all over the place.

47) The swooping sounds right before the guitar solo on "Hysteria."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

But overtly liberal socially conscious messages in rock were surely more 80s than 90s? Even Ozzy Osbourne, Queensryche, Iron Maiden, and White Lion were writing overtly political 'protest' songs, to say nothing of Bono/Sting/Springsteen/Morrissey/Gabriel/Geddy/Garrett. All the 90s stars you mention, except maybe Vedder, were way more solipstic and amoral. If anything, they probably led to U2 and REM becoming less political.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

In the '90s the paradox was groups whose liberal nature was assumed found themselves shoved in the limelight (again, in part because the hair-farmers weren't earning the attention anymore - plus the Nirvana bandwagon effect), and most responded with the ironic amorality you're talking about. These groups were still SEEN as liberal though.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus a lot of the stars you're talking (Sting/Gabriel/Geddy) were targeted for older audiences.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

And Morrissey's biggest US hits were in '92 (Your Arsenal being his album chart peak) and '94 ("The More You Ignore Me" his biggest pop single).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking of Morrissey as frontman for the Smiths, not of his solo career at all. (Dunno his solo career too well but his politics did seem to get a bit more ambiguous then, didn't they?)

Don't you think there might have been something problematic about the 'gleefully sexual' nature of a lot of hair metal though? Maybe you do and are being ironic.

I'm not 100% sure that all that nihilistic 90s stuff was necessarily seen as liberal per se. In one way, it could be read as a liberal dissatisfaction with the order of things. But that kind of cynicism could also be read as having a sense of the futility of trying to change. Misanthropy, which was a major theme, seems to be ultimately anti-liberal.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and sadly, misanthropy is the one element that survived when grunge transformed into nu-metal (which Chuck Klosterman accurately described as being the worst of both worlds in Fargo Rock City). I definitely think the rock of the early '90s had its social foundations in the Clintonian spirit (this increasing ambiguity fits with that too. These bands all became moderates once they got into office - or arguably always were moderates!), which is why I'm kind of tired of hating on it. It's not like we had all this great '80s rock and decided it sucked and ran off and bought Ten.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

and I definitely think there was a problem with the "gleeful sexual" element. I just don't think asexual discomfort was the answer in hindsight (though I thought it worked fine in middle school!).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember talking about the success of Cracker with an ex-girlfriend and she noted that in 1992 there weren't a lot of songs with sexual energy on rock radio. That's right, DAVID LOWERY was the sex god of 1992.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait. "Low" was in 1993, I think.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

... It kind of fits with the induction of Clinton and PC that we would have a new series of less gleefully sexual (ok THAT element is kind of ironic in hindsight re: Monicagate), less crass, more "socially conscious" superstars. .... Grime vs. crunk!

...and none of this had anything to do with the economy

is Strongo really Gen-Y (which begins ~78)? If so, I think we can grandfather (haha) him in.

oh, and Nelson fucking rock. ok, they don't rock. but you know what I mean.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 May 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

When you read over this thread in full, it actually was easily one of the best threads on here this year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

there was some comment about def leppard making music about making music ("rocking") on some other thread--where was that? it was more insightful than my precis would suggest.

also isn't chuck's preference for DL over REM kind of ideologically overdetermined? i'm still waiting for chuck to surprise me...

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

also yeah this record rules

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

1 Nena & Kim Wilde Anyplace Anywhere Anytime Warner Bros. import
2 A*Teens A Perfect Match Universal
3 Lindsay Lohan Ultimate Hollywood
4 Skye Sweetnam Billy S Capitol
5 Triple Image Turn It Up (japanese import) Wire
6 Hilary Duff Why Not Hollywood
7 Nikki Cleary Summertime Guys Jive
8 Hilary Duff What Dreams Are Made Of Disney
9 Lillix What I Like About You Hollywood
10 Hilary Duff So Yesterday Buena Vista/Hollywood

haha *barf*

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

In approximate order:
1. Cinderella, Long Cold Winter
2. Faster Pussycat, Where There's a Whip There's a Way
2. Warrant, Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinking Rich
3. Warrant, Cherry Pie
4. first Faster Pussycat album
5. Pyromania
6. Cinderella, Still Climbing
7. first Skid Row
8. Hysteria
9. Warrant, Dog Eat Dog
10. first Def Leppard
11. Warrant, Ultraphobic
12. second Def Leppard
13. Cinderella, Heartbreak Station
14. first Cinderella album
15. Slave to the Grind

(and that leaves out Bang Tango, Kix, etc, etc...)

Wait, was Chuck saying those seven albums (incl 2 Warrant albums, a latter-day Cinderella record, and Skid Row) are all better than Hysteria?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

omg it's an iconoclorgasm!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no it doesn't, goddammit. It's a sickly travesty. A syrup-smeared mockery of rock. An anorexic sheep in wolf's clothing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

if the devil ever needed a publicist

― amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ann Coulter needs a publicist?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Goddammit, I have to buy "Hysteria" now.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

As well you should.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, it just occured to me (as I read this thread) that I had most of the singles on 7-inch vinyl (weren't half the bloody tracks on this record released as singles?) as a wee'un, but have never owned the full album. Time to pony up some dough. I mean, it's still in print, yes?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Goddammit, I have to buy "Hysteria" now.

Why not buy yourself a candy-coloured, frilly blouse instead? They're kinda the same thing anyway.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not buy yourself a candy-coloured, frilly blouse instead? They're kinda the same thing anyway.

I'm more of a peasant-dress kinda gal. Y'know, earthier colors, nothing too loud.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 29 October 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

Are we at 48 or something now? I realize we're well over the limit but to heck with it.

48) The little sad sweet chime that ends "Women" after a final last bit of megabombast.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

49) So, after all of nu-metal and all that, how come nobody did the rap-metal thing as perfectly as was done with "Pour Some Sugar on Me" a decade beforehand anyway?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...

hysteria is the great album in the 80

I remember be very happy When Iwas in the concert.

My Like for the rock is Hysteria.

― joe velazquez, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

besides, i think that stone temple pilots = the def leppard of the nineties.

Both bands are outstanding.

Yeah, strongo, by '91, I think it was more of a choice between "Let's Get Rocked"/"Make Love Like a Man" and grunge.

More like '92, but close enough. Contrary to popular belief, there was very little grunge on MTV and the radio in 1991, beyond "Smells Like Teen Spirit," which didn't even really get played until mid-November.

This thread is strangely both tedious and enjoyable.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Both bands are outstanding.

You're fired.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

I have decided that this is the greatest thread ever.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 15 September 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

Both bands are outstanding.

Yes, they are outstanding. From within the pantheon of rock greatness, you can look out the window and see Def Leppard and the Stone Temple Eunuchs outstanding on the lawn, peering in.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Is that like hair-farmers outstanding in their field?

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 15 September 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

And Jay-Z didn't really retire - he was misquoted after he said he was having the tires on his car replaced, or one might say "Re-tired."

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

I am so happy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:02 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

From here:

Def Leppard will re-issue their 1987 release 'Hysteria' on October 16th. The re-mastered double disc will include all of the 'Hysteria' b-sides, live b-sides, remixed tracks and exclusive artwork. Track listing is as follows:

'Hysteria' re-mastered:

1. "Women"
2. "Rocket"
3. "Animal"
4. "Love Bites"
5. "Pour Some Sugar On Me"
6. "Armageddon It"
7. "Gods Of War"
8. "Don't Shoot Shotgun"
9. "Run Riot"
10. "Hysteria"
11. "Excitable"
12. "Love And Affection"

'Hysteria' B-Sides:

13. "Tear It Down"
14. "Ride Into The Sun" (1987 Re-Recording)
15. "I Wanna Be Your Hero"
16. "Ring Of Fire"

Disc Two:

'Hysteria' Live B-Sides:

1. "Elected" (Live In Tilburg, Holland)
2. "Love And Affection" (Live In Tilburg, Holland)
3. "Billy's Got A Gun" (Live In Tilburg, Holland)
4. "Rock of Ages" (Live In Tilburg, Holland)
5. "Women" (Live In Denver)

'Hysteria' Remixes:

6. "Animal" (Extended Version)
7. "Pour Some Sugar On Me" (Extended Version)
8. "Armageddon It" (The Nuclear Mix)
9. "Excitable" (Orgasmic Mix)
10. "Rocket" (The Lunar Mix)

'Hysteria' B-Sides Continued:

11. "Release Me" (performed by STUMPUS MAXIMUS & THE GOOD OL' BOYS)

― LC (Damian), Friday, 25 August 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I was wondering if they were going to include that last one! Great stuff.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

quiet now for...

50) "hysteria, when you're near"

― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Friday, 25 August 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a gettin it

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 25 August 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

That's kinda unusual, isn't it, a 19th Anniversary special edition? You'd think they'd wait a year for the traditional nice-round-number.

― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

As a general rule, the 80s hair metal genre was extremely naff and tasteless.

That being said, there are no rules without exceptions, and in the case of hair metal, Def Leppard were among the most obvious exceptions.

Great songs, great harmonies, great production. "Photograph" was a better single, but I still see "Hysteria" as a better overall album than "Pyromania", and certainly one of the better album of the somewhat dodgy music year that was 1987.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Can anyone explain why they (or the label) decided to release "Women" as the first single? Especially with an album packing such firepower?
The title track destroys most other power ballads. Was "Women" the most
"Pyromania" type track?

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe the firepower thing is key - if they didn't hit with the first single, they'd be sure to with the third. Hysteria took about a year or so to actually top the US album charts, I seem to recall.

― LC (Damian), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

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