Blatantly racist songs that have managed to pass under the prejudice-radar

surprised there's people here who hadn't heard about this Clapton outburst before, it's pretty legendary...

would've expected ol Eric to blame it on the booze n blow honestly

― you can sub out "bipartisan solutions" for "some of my dick" (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, November 19, 2010 4:47 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

i had never heard of it at all! i just thought he was shitty dad rock!

what in the hell

basically, i think imitating people's accents is precarious at best. i think that it can be a sensitive thing irrespective of what kind of accent you're talking about. i'm an australian, who has several years experience living abroad, and i'm confronted with a lot of smarmy types taking a dig at my accent. as a one-off it can be funny, just like all the fosters, crocodile dundee cliches etc., but if it's a regular thing it can become grating/ borderline offensive.

Shakey: I'm trying to think of any post-60s that even really got INTO one. an American making a speech similar to the one Clapton made would have been banned, picketed, boycotted, etc

What about Phil Anselmo. I mean, he's a pretty big deal in American metal circles.

And to the poster above... you're wrong. Costello has turned his back on the UK. The press here don't take him seriously like they do in his adoptive homeland, America

True now. I meant then. It did him some damage, but he remained generally a respectable figure, and producing the debut Specials LP - fr'instance - would have been problematic if he was widely perceived as a racist.

And it was Rock Against Racism, not Fascism (or even Facism)- and it predated Oliver's Army.

I know who Phil Anselmo is and know he has a reputation as being a jerk, but I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically

xp

Lots of people in the UK thought there was something fishy about Elvis Costello's use of the N word in Oliver's Army and were proved right by his unforgivable outburst against Ray Charles. (This and Clapton were motivating factors in the formation of the UK's Rock Against Facism organisation.) He has since gone on to claim that he was only trying to cause offence. This is mealy mouthed cuntery of the highest order. A cunt is very much a cunt, no matter what his retrospective weasel words are.

also not to be ~that guy~ but there's at least some irony in tip toeing around "the N word" and then dropping "the C word" like yr job. i mean obv there's a US/UK divide here, just sayin

ANYWAY

And Costello actually played at an RAR open air show at Brockwell Park in '78.

xp

In which case I'm getting my anti-fascist organisations mixed up, as he was an instigating factor in one of them. (AFL?)

GBX - I don't know what you're talking about.

the clapton stuff is astounding. amazed that i've never heard about this, though i've never given a shit about clapton, so maybe no surprise. but why hasn't this dogged him ever since? why don't people rub his face in this everywhere he goes? asshole's won grammys, for fuck's sake, been inducted into the rock 'n' roll hall of fame. boycott clapton.

shakey, ansemlmo is a racist piece of shit, flirts w/white power shit and made some really terrible rants during concerts, i think there's a thread on it.

yeah, anselmo's racism did kind of get swept under the rug from what i can tell. i mean, he's opened up about his heroin addiction along with his sketchy relationship with pantera members in recent interviews - why did all his pro-white rallying go unquestioned?

gbx means that "cunt" is wildy misogynist when used as generic denigratory slang

there is probably an actual way to spell "wildly"

There's more Anselmo shit here: racist dude in pantera

GBX: I've never used the word against a woman in my life.

um, that's like saying it's okay to use the n-word to describe white people you don't like

Did the Anthrax guys ever get serious shit about "Speak English or Die"?

xp: My redneck neighbor does that!

GBX: Ok, for the sake of pan-Atlantic relationships I'm going to stop using the, ah, c-word on here from now on.

I just wanted my position on Costello to be clear.

Contenderizer: is it fuck!

cunt has a pretty different connotation in the UK - or, at least, not as explicitly mysognystic as it is in other places. altho there's a whole other thread on THIS too iirc

also, young ignorant american here, but i always thought that costello's use of the word "nigger" in oliver's army was pretty intentionally sarcastic and used in a way that expanded on the way that yoko meant it ("nigger" standing in for "discriminated underclass"). not saying it was a smart, or wise, or inoffensive choice, just that i'd be hard pressed to read any "racism" into the lyrics---more of a face-palmy move

obv i could be totally totally wrong here

guys you're not seriously equating the c word with the n word

yeah, anselmo's racism did kind of get swept under the rug from what i can tell. i mean, he's opened up about his heroin addiction along with his sketchy relationship with pantera members in recent interviews - why did all his pro-white rallying go unquestioned?

― charlie h, Friday, November 19, 2010 5:09 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this MAY have something to do with pantera's audience (not to disparage peeps on the board that like them, i fucks with vulgar display myself)

whoah hella xposts, but contenderizer basically got it

xp no, LJ, we're not (i'm not), just noting that in a thread about various ppl's maybe-maybe-not racisms it's ironic to deploy a word that is maybe-maybe-not wildly offensive to decent chunk of 50% of ppl in non-UK countries

clapton did indeed blame his outburst on booze iirc

Shakey: It has NO misogynist connotations in the UK as it's nearly always directed at men. No one calls women c--ts here. Unlike, on say, the Sopranos.

Well, not no one, but no one I know, if you see what I mean.

Do they call a woman's vagina a cunt?

why does everyone get all crazy when comparisons are made? to compare one thing to another is not to say that they are precisely equivalent. it's often hyperbole used to make a point.

i'd be willing to argue that generic terms of denigration based on female gender or non-straight sexual orientation (bitch, pussy, cut, fag, etc.) are, in their way, just as bad as any racial slur, but this probably isn't the thread for it...

I've heard many women call men & women "cunts" here.

clapton did indeed blame his outburst on booze iirc

them what's his excuse now lol (see recent comments posted upthread)

yeah let's not xp

I'd never read the Clapton outburst until now, I knew he'd repped for Enoch Powell, but wow what a piece of work. I guess BB King must have been given a pass as he had the blues.

so ... how bout that Cocorosie?

clapton did indeed blame his outburst on booze iirc

― tylerw, Friday, November 19, 2010 5:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fourloko strikes again :(

The C-word is used here almost exclusively against men. Half the time as a term of affection north of the M62...

I've apologized for any unitended distress caused by my uncouth language and said it won't happen again. Can we move on?

bun them clapton

gonna quietly note that some of the more hard-ass feminists I know use 'cunt' at everyone, male or female, and they'd see it as patronising if you refused to use it at a woman

but that involves divorcing the word from its anatomical sense entirely and using it purely phonetically as an expletive, which not everyone can do - so yeah I agree there has to be some sensitivity, when not in private company

OK NUFF LETS MOVE ON YES

I guess BB King must have been given a pass as he had the blues.

― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, November 19, 2010 5:17 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

well as DJP alluded upthread, all kinds of racists idiots still blithely, thoughtless arrange ppl into "bad ones" and "oh no these guys are actually all right, they're not like the rest"

90% of the time against tories..

xps

anyway louis ck to thread

haha it is pretty patronizing not to call a woman a cunt imo

i think blaming a racist outburst on booze is an extremely convenient and piss-weak excuse. so you're an alcoholic racist douche instead of simply a racist douche? well then, all is forgiven.

Man, I can't win ;-)

Sorry. LOL, I meant.

dude LOL means cunt in america...poor form

Aiiieeeeee.

i have zero problem with the word cunt.

Anyway, 'Dreadlock Holiday' by 10cc