Rolling Metal Thread 2010

That's a good question, I'm not even sure. Judging by merch on display at Hot Topic its the crunkcore shit and metalcore (stuff like Escape the Fate and whatever) that is big with the kids, but I don't feel like that stuff is putting up stellar number either.

Oh man, I know I used to rant about the ubiquitousness of metalcore all the time, but I really hoped that shit had died. I suppose deathcore aka melodic metalcore mixed with death metal means it didn't die, just mutated into something worse.

To think there was a time when metalcore was seen as an obvious good thing. Most of the hydrahead bands and converge will deny they were ever that im sure.

Yeah, its pretty much a dirty word like "emo" at this point.

emocore was always a derogatory term though, at least it was coined in that way.

metalcore is like skapunk. The less said about both the better.

I think Dimmu just got too big for their britches. They're the most popular act on the Nuclear Blast roster, and it feels like they thought they could get away with anything.

And yeah, amateur hour stuff like A7X and Escape the Fate is really starting to dominate as far as mainstream metal goes. It seems every week there's some goofy band with funny hair and limp riffs that I've never heard of debuting in the top 40. It's depressing.

So are you two actually recommending that I listen to this thing, or would you not go that far?

Give it a shot. Dani is as logorrheic as ever, but his screech isn't as silly this time. Plus the riffs actually deliver this time. Pretty darn good album.

Both the Cradle of Filth and Abigail Williams records are totally worth listening to. I think they made the right trade there.

Also, metalcore may have run itself into the ground pretty hard, but there were some pretty great bands that came out of that scene, and it was WORLDS better than nu-metal. WORLDS.

Don't forget Five Finger Death Punch!

And Asking Alexandria, they're going to blow up in 2011.

Metaphorically, though literally would be better.

Black Veil Brides

Okay, now I'm just depressing myself.

Please tell me about the good metalcore you refer too (not hydrahead bands or converge stuff that I know & like)

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I mean, you aren't going to like any of them, but off the top of my head: Shadows Fall, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, Beyond the Embrace, In This Moment, Heaven Shall Burn.

Looks like you were right first time

The only one I like on that list is In This Moment, but I have a few more recommendations: Job For A Cowboy, The Acacia Strain, Chelsea Grin, Waking the Cadaver, and The Showdown (Blood in the Gears is a really slept-on album).

job for the cowboy are one of the worst bands i've ever heard since waking the cadaver funnily enough

Heaven Shall Burn is a very good band, I always liked them. Their new CD is arguably their best one to date

I don't have HSB on this laptop - I'll have to dig that one up.

Are we talking about metalcore or deathcore? I mostly dislike deathcore, but that's probably because I prefer melodic death metal to brutal death. Also, recommending any of these bands to Pfunk/Herman/Algerian Goalkeeper is pretty much a waste of time. He doesn't like thrash or death or (as far as I know) hardcore, to begin with, so it seems unlikely that he'd be a very big fan of their derivatives.

I can't keep track of people's display names. I thought AG might be an entirely new poster.

Might not be him, I just assumed it was because of the posting style.

pretty sure its him

Yeah, Puya springs immediately to mind. I'm sure there are others; I'll look into it.
― that's not funny. (unperson)

Yeah, if you come across anything else, please post about it.
I've been searching around with no luck so far.

Here are some thoughts on the still unreleased Hell album
that I mentioned up thread.

http://isen-torr.blogspot.com/2010/08/hell-human-remains-2010.html

Hell posted this on their myspace blog.

Any thoughts or interest from anybody here?
Perhaps this is already old news to some.

Any thoughts or interest from anybody here?

"wow" is my main thought - read a big breakdown on this band in Snakepit not long ago. extremely interested in the ongoing history-work getting done about this era of metal -- I'll be buying that when it's ready.

Anyone heard the new Intronaut?

I have. I'm not a fan, but others seem to like it.

I think I'm just really over harsh/death vocals in music that doesn't require it. Intronaut's music is Tool-ish enough that they could offer clean vocals, and I think if they did, their music would be improved immeasurably. (I also like Mastodon more when they try to really sing.)

The new one does have clean vocals!

Not enough of the time.

I actually can't really argue with your point, though -- I mean, if the song is better served by clean singing than growling, there should be clean singing. I feel like a lot of bands are afraid of the cred police, or accusations that they've moved away from their style or gone "mainstream."

I actually agree with you Phil, I feel like cleaner vocals would really help them and I was kind of hoping to hear more of it on the new one. They really impressed me live though.

Anybody here a fan of Japanese death metal band Defiled? I've never heard of them and they're hitting me up about booking. Curious if there's anything special about them that I should know.

They don't sound very special.

the good metalcore is like the stuff from the 90s when it was called metallic hardcore - I guess some folks would say that it's essentially a different thing but there are standout branches on the subgenre family tree, eg Overcast turned into Shadows Fall and Killswitch

I am big fan of the crossover thrash and thrashcore stuff more-so than standard metalcore. Like D.R.I., What Happens Next, Vorhees, etc. I don't know if His Hero is Gone fits in with that or what you'd call them but they're pretty great IMO.

I have a big special place in my heart for Biohazard, though, mainly cause of adolescent nostalgia. I think people tend to categorize them as early nu-metal but I think they are pretty solidly metalcore, at least in pedigree.

I really liked Deadguy and Bloodlet. Those were seminal metalcore bands for me that predated Converge. I guess I like my metalcore to still have an artistic edge.

okay i know what i want for christmas you guys. if everyone pitches in you should be able to swing it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/EYEHATEGOD-lot-3-test-press-DOOM-SLUDGE-/120648913465?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1c173c5239

a) these are being sold by a member of EHG who is broke
b) these were bought once upon a time from a member of EHG who is broke
c) all of the above

d) drugs

So no doubt everyone's seen this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFjI7gT1FvI&feature=player_embedded

They missed an obvious 'Welcome to the realm of Santa' joke...

You know Dasher and Dancer
And Prancer and Vixen,
Comet and Cupid
And Donner and Burzum.

Where does one hear Bongripper? Can one buy their MP3s online?

I don't want to miss out like I did with Gay Witch Abortion you see.

i saw bongripper recently as an opener for someone else (like 3 someone elses really). they were pretty good but i don't remember anything about their show at all.

i really popped in here to say new agalloch SO GOOD -- i'm so proud to sort of internet-know someone who was involved with making it. if i were 16 i would be rhapso-yapping on youtube about it, but i'm not.

In preparation for my BurningAmbulance.com review of the Ghost CD, I went back and revisited The Devil's Blood's The Time of No Time Evermore. At its absolute most aggressive, that record sounds like '70s Heart. And the Ghost disc reminds me of Blue Öyster Cult.

Man, this Bongripper album is awesome. Which of their other albums are good? I see they've had plenty out.

oh man I kinda want that Dopesick test press but no way.

yes all bongripper is great but some stuff is experimental drone (Heroin (i have that ltd set with the drug kit) but the crushing doom material is awesome.