Blatantly racist songs that have managed to pass under the prejudice-radar

Above song makes me feel even smugger in my long-held belief that the Kinks mostly blow.

Hate and war - I hate all the English
Hate and war - they're just as bad as wops
Hate and war - I hate all the politeness
Hate and war - I hate all the cops

I wanna walk down any street
Looking like a creep
I don't care if I get beat up
By any Kebab Greek

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much stuff like this that its kinda endless.

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/8c/31/6f82a2c008a0bf9e6ef24010.L.jpg

and they aren't even the worst offenders. that album actually does have some plight of the red man stuff on it. but if you made a comp of american pop songs about injuns it would be a 20 disc set.

had the Beatles gone ahead with "No Pakistanis"

This was always an improv song, where PMac related what Enoch said, not agreeing with him.

I always thought it more significant that later on, he's singing about the "Common wealth being MUCH too wealthy for me" at which point the man of the people Lennon suggests "much too COMMON" instead.

Oh, and I didn't realise that Kinks song was from 1978. Way after the stat.

(x-post) Good friend of mine went on a tirade once about "Please, Mr. Custer," and how it's always included on those "20 Goofy Greats"-type compilations, when the subject is anything but goofy.

(xx-post) My 2-year old is addicted to "The Aristocats" and yeah, those Siamese Cat characterizations are definitely from another era.

Rock & Roll N*gger

Okay, so now I know why Ray Davies got shot in New Orleans.

you could get away with cliche and pretty bonkers race/ethnicity novelty songs until at least the 70's. in america anyway. nobody even blinked.

um, quaint?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOdsOhqDfZ8

just disney alone...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ5ld-MlKcM

My step-mom had the HAIR soundtrack and about whipped the shit out of me and my step-brother when she heard us running around the house singing this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovkk7XpOfyo

I guess context is everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63CiRbiaoFo

People seem to (by and large) give Joy Division a pass on their horrible-if-you-think-about-it name.

Maybe not the lyrical context so much as the "Ugh-a-wuga" backing vocals, "Running Bear and Little White Dove."

Ha, I always think of wigs when I hear "Wig Wam Bam". Maybe because the song doesn't have that fake American Indian percussion and singing that some bubblegum songs have.

Rolling Stones-Some Girls. Though that might have caught some flak. In his new book, Richards stands by it, says that in his opinion, black chicks did really want to ....

― Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), F

oh yeah that definitely caught some flak from feminists and civil rights group iirc. i think Jesse Jackson commented on it. and Garrett Morris did a bit on 'Weekend Update' after the the commotion.

Yeah, Jesse Jackson's really one to talk, dude's a total womanizer. Just like with anti-gay preachers, the moral issue a politician inveighs agains the most is what he's engaged in in his secret life.

1. I would hardly call Pavement being goofy "blatantly racist"
2. Next time you copy a post from your blog/another msg borad you should prolly delete the line breax or something?

(2. I think he just hit return at the end of the test box, not realising that the wrapround will
happen anyway. I just tried one there. Let's see what happens. I'll type a bit more so that two
lines are in. OK, this is two and a half lines)

The 1910 Fruitgum Company took a different "Indian Giver" right into the top 10 in 1969.

But "Please, Mr. Custer" really is just... un... believable. And it was a Billboard #1. It should be studied & analyzed to work out how something so creepy and unfunny struck a chord with the mass American public (well I guess we do have a long tradition of such phenomena, but still... ).

Womanizer aside, there's also the matter of that place called "Hymietown"
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You could collar Siouxsie for Arabian Nights too. "At your primitive best". Borders on Islamphobia. But hey, great tune.
Vapours' Turning Japanese could sound also offensive if you don't know what the reference is!

Did anyone care when Chuck D started a band called Confrontation Camp?

is anyone going to pillory the Ramones' "Indian Giver"...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PzhPIU-RU4

The 1910 Fruitgum Company took a different "Indian Giver" right into the top 10 in 1969.

― Josefa, Friday, November 19, 2010 11:06 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

same song brah

also: it's a little dumb to call indian giver "racist" when i'm sure that phrase was pretty common back then

Vapours' Turning Japanese could sound also offensive if you don't know what the reference is!

apparently, the "well known" fact is untrue about this song.

also: it's a little dumb to call indian giver "racist" when i'm sure that phrase was pretty common back then

...

WIKI:

Indian giver is an English expression used in North America, used to describe a person who gives a gift (literal or figurative) and later wants it back, or something equivalent in return.

The term "Indian gift" was first noted in 1765 by Thomas Hutchinson,[1] and "Indian giver" was first cited in John Russell Bartlett's Dictionary of Americanisms (1860)[2] as "Indian giver. When an Indian gives any thing, he expects to receive an equivalent, or to have his gift returned."

The phrase can be offensive,[3][4] particularly to Native Americans.[5]

same song brah

lol so that's why it's so damn catchy

The Ramones' and 1910 Fruitgum "Indian Giver" are the same, the Annette one is different, just for the record.

i mean it IS a racist phrase but i think it's good that ppl don't use it anymore, but the reality is that it was more common back then and now it's not, so that's progress, but i dunno if i could really judge them for using it because i'm sure i wouldn't have known better myself if it were alive back then you know?

its still okay to say that someone welshed on a bet though, right? or that they gyped you? cuz who cares about the welsh or gypsies?

What would be a phrase now "we don't know any better" that will show up on a thread like this in 30 years?

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probably best not to use the former in a Tredegar pub of a Saturday night.

Tho the pub's probably only open till 10 lol amirite?

cuz who cares about ... gypsies?

not the French, evidently

What would be a phrase now "we don't know any better" that will show up on a thread like this in 30 years?

"retarded" and "gay", probably

What would be a phrase now "we don't know any better" that will show up on a thread like this in 30 years?

hipster

"Walk Like an Egyptian" is pretty fuckin racist imo

"Can you believe there was once a band called 'Gay Dad'?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxAr66vtUoQ

whenever I watch old movies I marvel at how skinny Americans used to be

They were Britishes, we lived on tea and bread and margarine until 1965.

egyptians really do walk like that though!

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I'm impressed that kelpolaris has discovered that early Siouxsie and the Banshees may have been racially insensitive tho.

http://images.newstatesman.com/articles/2008/1026/026_p22.2.jpg

just a little Nazi fetishism nothin to see here lol

[/i]What would be a phrase now "we don't know any better" that will show up on a thread like this in 30 years?

"retarded" and "gay", probably

― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Friday, November 19, 2010 11:34 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink[/i]

yep

I don't think there was ever a time you could say it with a straight face and not sound like a moron (US/CAN perspective). "Intelligent" was a catch-all for techno intended for home listening, as if there was something inherently smart about staying home and not going out to dance, which is why it was such a ridiculous term in the first place.

I don't mind using "IDM" on these boards because as dumb an nonsensical as it is, it describes a genre that definitely exists and has no other good name. You say "IDM" and people know what you're talking about. Same with "progressive rock", neither are terms I'd use with people who didn't know what the term meant. Or at least I'd air quote them pretty hard.

i'm not sure why IDM rankles with me whereas Prog doesn't, even tho both labels carry these ridiculous assumptions within their names. maybe because when i discovered Prog that label had been in place for years, whereas IDM happened when i still felt invested in the music and was trapped on the sidelines going NOOOOOOOOOOO

don't air quote. ever.

dan can you expand a little bit?

The video starts out directly referencing/imitating south central LA imagery in a confrontational, exaggerated manner, setting a scene that's both uncomfortable and recognizable, like someone took a surface look at Boyz in the Hood and Friday and threw their impressions into a blender. Things start getting weird when dude starts playing his tape and weird, hip-hop influenced music that is rather decidedly not the type of hip-hop you associate with this type of scene blares out of the car stereo. Up through the confrontation with the women on the sidewalk, you have a pretty good idea of where things are going right up until the megalimo appears. Then, things get EXTREMELY weird and the entire video literally distorts itself around Aphex Twin; all of the sexy imagery is immediately undercut by the fright masks, either by including them in the romp shots or immediately cutting to them after showing some sexy bodies dancing. The guys themselves get sucked into this whole thing as well, not noticing the nightmare masks until confronted by the non-Aphex mask, which breaks the mood for them and turns their list into terror. Once the track gets going, the whole video turns into an extended exercise in subverting the straight male gaze from desire into horror, using all of the tricks intended to stimulate the straight male gaze. The racial stuff at the beginning acts as camouflage, making you think you have the video's number up until it makes that hard left turn and goes cuckoo; I also like that it can execute this turn to revulsion without resorting to violence or extreme grossness.

Also I used the term IDM very liberally because Wheb I first encountered it in 1987 it stood for "industrial dance music" and I just assumed ppl were categorizing the Warp stuff along that axis

I feel like IDM was originally used to describe early 90s derrick may worship but then by the late 90s it was describing this 'subversive' white european art music (glitch etc) that worked well with critical theory.

here's some lines from the "Windowlicker" wiki page just in case you were wondering if IDM fans were racist or not

It is a ten-minute long parody of contemporary American gangsta hip-hop music videos. In the video, two foul-mouthed young men (a Latino and an African American) in Los Angeles are window shopping for women (referred to in the end credits as "hoochies"); the French term for window shopping is faire du lèche-vitrine, which literally translates to "licking the windows". Suddenly, a ridiculously long white limousine (38 windows in length, including driver's window, which takes 20 seconds to fully display) crashes into the two men's black Mazda Miata NA (MX5) convertible, and a "pimped-out" Richard D. James, displaying a surreal amount of wealth and power, emerges with his signature fixed grin.

who says you can't make dumb, sweeping generalizations based off an Aphex Twin Wikipedia article

http://www.hookafrog.com/includes/templates/glasgow_neat/images/logo.png

tbf whiney works in a pretty diverse workplace w/ progressive hiring practices: http://www.spin.com/about/

0/20 black people

thanks for that clarification, frogbs

I don't think Windowlicker deserves a Wikipedia page. Can I delete it?

yes

I don't think OutdoorFish deserves a login. Can somebody delete it?

the night visiting song

hey white boy, what you doing up town?

Speaking as someone who never went raving in the 90s and read about more dance music than they were able to get their hands on, it was obvious, even from publications like the NME, that Detroit techno was revered as pretty much year zero. And a lot of early IDM artists, Black Dog especially, wore their Detroit influences on their sleeves pretty proudly.

IDM's relationship with later (predominantly) black British dance music, especially UKG, is a lot trickier. But I believe friends of mine who were there when they say that drill and bass nights could regularly go off and it wasn't unheard of to have Aphex and Grooverider playing in adjacent rooms.

Later than that there was a rhetorical tendency by a certain type of fan to use the phrase IDM to separate the music they liked not just from black British dance music but from ALL of contemporary dance music (including/especially a lot of Euro stuff). I remember people claiming, with all seriousness, that dance music came from "Africans dancing around to drumming" whereas IDM was in the European classical tradition, which was not only full of immensely dodgy racial assumptions but also full of logical holes that only served to highlight quite how little they knew about European classical music. Or white Western classical music, which is what they really meant. Anyway that tendency was pretty widespread by the time Drukqs came out.

I definitely remember the phrase "intelligent drum and bass" existing before IDM as a term was belatedly grafted onto Warp etc. And IDM as a concept was pretty much redundant by 2002 or thereabouts anyway and the future turned out to lie in things like Basic Channel that had been under everyone's noses all along. It still amazes me that there's only like four years between The Richard D James Album and Vocalcity and yet it feels like a chasm.

Not exactly fitting the thread title, but the NY Yankees just discovered that Kate Smith recorded some dubious songs 80 years ago.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-kate-smith-god-bless-america-20190418-wfkyednrvrherh57sfmb4h7s5y-story.html