ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

what is it with you and the word "corny"

Im going to articulate something here, not bcuz i think ppl are wrong about odd future, but because i think there's something being missed in what im saying, & i think there are probably lots of people who would agree with me even if they are unlikely to be ilxors for whatever reason.

I recently linked this song to nitsuh, cuz we were chatting about ta-nehisi's piece on how the crack epidemic disappearing would impact rap music & etc. In the piece, ta-nehisi mentions something along the lines of how rappers continue rapping as drug kingpins etc because rapping about the real realities of crack -- deadbeat dads, etc. -- is a nonstarter. Something I think that is missed, when we talk about all this stuff, is that a lot of times that stuff is always there. it's just subtext. Rappers are playing characters (and i mean this in the sense that everyone performing & presenting a persona in song ever is playing a character) w/in a world where a good portion of the audience takes a hood background as a given. That they know what this means -- that this means "holidays was the worst days," while a lot of critics focus on "sip champagne when we thirsty." Rappers started cutting out the first part of that as a given.

The song I linked to is about Max B & his girl going through problems, although the lyrics are a bit more impressionistic than that, & touch on a bunch of different stuff. But one part always sticks out to me because it all sounds so incredibly harsh & REAL.

"my father did the odd jobs / mama never worked, used to drug alot / now it feel good when she lean / never knew the meaning of fiend, watch her do the yola in front of me / used to bring the tools that she needed / a plate dropped, i would get a beating"

he drops it like it's nothing. just background. not trying to over-emote. cold. casually horrifying. In the context of the story, it's kind of surprisingly self-aware.

so when i hear max b dropping "bitch" in this song, is it a really depressing statement on the structural and personal inequalities towards women in this country? yes. but it's also like ... it's real. it's what this guy believes. he's not self-censoring. And u know what? that feels, as an honest expression, like a more powerful & ... weirdly ... less offensive thing to me as a result. It's not cartoony misogyny. Its real.

I know ppl like contenderizer have a thing abt "oh no rapper said "real" oh thats ridiculous cant he just embrace artifice" etc etc ... but ppl are 'really' going thru painful experiences, in real life, and these days, for me personally, this kind of stuff is way more likely to get me to confront & think about shit, inequalities & drug addiction & yeah max b's probably-gross attitude towards women, than some jokers acting juvenile does.

anyway, i dont think this proves im 'more right' but i do think its worth saying

that this means "holidays was the worst days," while a lot of critics focus on "sip champagne when we thirsty."

LOL

holidays?

dj holiday was the worst

or to use extreme examples. miles davis really beat women. he really did. is that more disturbing to me on a societal level, on a real-world level? yes. But im still going to listen to 'kind of blue' a lot more than i ever will odd future. i mean, thats a bit of a weighted comparison, bcuz miles didnt bring it up in his music (at least ... well im not getting into that)

idk. i think basically this odd future vs. ALL RAP is a bit of a weird debate bcuz you're talking about snoop's "you've got to control your hoe" in the same breath as pharoah monch telling girls to rub on their titties, one seems way worse than the other, etc.

i know youve listened to girltalk more than me n/a no need to rub it in

the way you blithely move from point a) "Rappers are playing characters (and i mean this in the sense that everyone performing & presenting a persona in song ever is playing a character)" to point b) "but it's also like ... it's real. it's what this guy believes. he's not self-censoring" and use the latter to justify the former (especially when it's convenient for whatever point you want to make) is really... I don't know what to call it. it's not intellectually dishonest because I get that you really believe this stuff but it's sort of disconcerting. you do this a lot.

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shakey i dont think u 'get it'

maybe you could catch up on your girl talk over the next holiday

as a listener, if im buying what hes doing im suspending disbelief abt whether or not anyone is 'really' who they say they are. whether u like a rapper is based on salesmanship!

dj holiday drops have ruined every rap song ever somehow

like you resort to the "it's not REAL" defense when it's handy (ie, hey they aren't REALLY crack dealers, advocating shooting fags, etc.), and then turn around and use "but this is so REAL!" as a defense IN THE SAME POST. like wtf man

or maybe your point is that characters/personas are most effective when they're reflecting reality in a profound way, but I dunno that isn't how you put it across.

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dude think about rappers as being like The Wire. does that help at all? the wire is SO REAL but its NOT REAL. right?

"OMG this character is SO REAL this REALLY REPRESENTS the difficulties of ppl vs. institutions" etc

or maybe your point is that characters/personas are most effective when they're reflecting reality in a profound way, but I dunno that isn't how you put it across.

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i guess if u default assume im a moron all the time?

its funny i think anti-new-rap dudes have been talking so much shit about 'authenticity' for so long theyve missed how it actually operates

the wire is SO REAL but its NOT REAL. right?

the Wire was so corny dude lol

I mean a magical gay thug stickup man? gtfo

oh lord i forgot u were a hater
at least this will help me get consensus on my side lol

another rap thread ruined, if only there was a vigilante to save us

i don't agree w/ deej but his post about max b is a v good post

i get where deej is coming from here, sort of. and agree that that was an excellent post. thing is, i want to be convinced by the supposed "reality" of the fiction, and at the same time, i want to be caught up in the fictional qualities of whatever reality is being reflected. but i don't fundamentally much care about what's REALLY real and what isn't, unless the reality is plain as the fat on fat joe. this keeps my appreciation confined to the more fictional side of things: what's the story, is it told well, and does it engage me somehow.

otoh, i totally don't buy deej's justification of really real misogyny:

so when i hear max b dropping "bitch" in this song, is it a really depressing statement on the structural and personal inequalities towards women in this country? yes. but it's also like ... it's real. it's what this guy believes. he's not self-censoring. And u know what? that feels, as an honest expression, like a more powerful & ... weirdly ... less offensive thing to me as a result. It's not cartoony misogyny. Its real.

feel totally the opposite here. the fact that it at least seems real (much as i try to avoid engaging on that "who is the REAL author?" level) makes all that much more depressing. powerful, yes, but only in the same way that real life horrors are always more "powerful" than their fictional equivalents. better to tell a horror story than to be one, imo.

better to tell a horror story than to be one, imo.

suspect that a number of rap & black metal fans will disagree with me there

it makes life more depressing, but to me, at this current time, more engaging xp

art more engaging, i mean

*life is too short break*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izB85LUlygE

one thing i do agree w/ surfboards abt is that a lot of ppl hand-wringing over the moral crimes of odd future werent actually talking about what was good about the group in the first place

lol deej just did the 'hey im a rap critic talking abt the wire' thing.

of (/hiphop) = dope beats + (dope rhymes - questionable lyric content depending on how jarring it is) + terrific hype building

swag

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get the scale, weed i got a grip for sale
bitch i'm makin chip off sales while sippin on white zinfandel
probably sippin still
cuz it is my favorite flavor
my beat wake the block up like hodybeats hate all his neighbors

love the beat on Loaded

there's this one chord in it that gets like mariana trench level of bassness but it only comes in a couple times during and after the first hook

i lvoe how it starts off with pinging and chiming little arpeggios and then quietly introduces this big squelch that turns into a massive droooooooone

fuckin with that whole middle section of the album from
Loaded to Loco a lot right now

yes.

swag.

what the fuck is a interlude for

man fuck that just p[lay the next song!

BRARATATATATATATATATATTTTTT

i'm calm and collected my rhymes are perfected i'm comin for the throne not your dime or necklace

Aww Fuck, My Mom Is Watching The Performances On The Internet. Fuck, My Cousins Talk To Fucking Much. Now She's Gonna Ask Questions. FML
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lol scott :)

they're playing tonight in SF in some warehouse. 9-2. dunno if cover or not

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Can anyone parse what's being said in that little interlude where they're listening to a voicemail from one of the guys' dads?

Jaxon I don't think that's actually happening -- Tyler tweeted last week that the SF show was off until at least next year

i dunno. dude that's djing there tonight is posting it on FB.

if they were really playing I think tyler would be repping it, he's pretty good when it comes to promoting their shows. it might have been something they agreed to do 2 months ago and game has changed for these guys for real.

but y'know, status of underground rap show touch and go, film at 11

nah, i believe they're not gonna be there

http://oddfuture.tumblr.com/post/1598954667/so-most-of-you-were-informed-that-we-would-be

So, Most Of You Were Informed That We Would be Performing In SF This Week At The Homies FREEDMINDS Party. Well, Some Shit Came Up And Well…..We Couldn’t. BUT….That Doesn’t Mean Shit. If You’re up North, Go, Fuck With Some Bitches, Skate, Drink, And Swag The Party The Fuck Out. You Never Know, A Couple OF Members Might be There Hanging Out. Click The Photo, The BLog Section Is Swag,

Where has Earl been? Did his parents find his record and send him to boarding school or something?

nobody knows.. the open-endedness of the "where is earl" thing is badass imo

Word is Goblin's coming in December?

swag december the fuck out