ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

goole otm

surfboard dudes shut up, totally

fucktyler Tyler, The Creator
Aww Fuck, My Mom Is Watching The Performances On The Internet. Fuck, My Cousins Talk To Fucking Much. Now She's Gonna Ask Questions. FML

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I must be a total savage cuz these lyrics really aren’t O_o to me. it’s youngsters goofing off and shit. Sure it’s tasteless but come the fuck on they rap dope

i think 4chan-type stuff is a current just like eminem or fondle em freestyle battle rap type shit is a current, but u know that stuff is transferred into art over mutant boom bap: it's not an empty nihilism, if one of these guys said "i've got issues" on a track it would be literally true. part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us". and o f are sick with it lyrically and have great hooks and ppl really dig the production style. lamp otm abt "clearly self-reflective/vulnerable". i mean "odd future" ffs.

feel like this post is probably the best response to loltarded 'omg rape future' partic what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us". thats why i think the violent rape fantasies, cop-killing, swastika stuff is, if not necessary, at least complimentary to the rest of what o f is about

also the shit is banging - needs to be kept in front

oh lol @ ' i have been otm in this thread' portion

u guys know its possible to, like, argue that this stuff is musically worthwhile while NOT dismissing ppl's discomfort w/ unapologetic rape jokes? that, like, just bcuz its rape jokes are done 'differently' than typical rap misogyny doesnt make it more (or less for that matter) 'forgiveable' than other rap misogyny? that ppl arguing about it being abrasive/offensive arent neccessarily saying it makes it worthless or uninteresting?

i dont have a problem w ppl feeling this! i do oppose pretending that rape jokes doent exist or dont matter or that ppl shouldnt be offended by them.

i actually love the rape jokes. i think they do matter big time theyre awesome

I made the geto boys comparison upthread and I still stand by that. I remember when the def american album came out, and listening to it at the time alternately cracked me up and gave me a sick feeling in my stomach. that album wasn't even pushing the limits, it was brushing past them on its way to a total nadir of antisocial nihilism.

I mean, listen to bushwick bill's verse on this @ 0:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGKR5Oe-4Oc

I get the same vibe from OF, so the feeling isn't unprecedented, but at least in their case it's offset by their goofy bedroom demo teen skater vibe.

OF are appealing to a demographic that handwrings about this stuff, so they are eliciting a response. and I agree with the point that if you're listening to hardcore rap, you're going to deal with a whole lot of unwholesome topics. hey guys have you heard what rappers call women and people of alternate lifestyle choices on the regular?

part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us".

lamp quoting J0rdan S. up there, btw, from two months back. it's an interesting idea. but like, would you apply that same justification to "4chan type shit" in general (including 4chan itself)? why or why not?

geto boys <3

...I remember when the [geto boys'] def american album came out, and listening to it at the time alternately cracked me up and gave me a sick feeling in my stomach. that album wasn't even pushing the limits, it was brushing past them on its way to a total nadir of antisocial nihilism.

I get the same vibe from OF, so the feeling isn't unprecedented, but at least in their case it's offset by their goofy bedroom demo teen skater vibe.

OTFM

...I agree with the point that if you're listening to hardcore rap, you're going to deal with a whole lot of unwholesome topics. hey guys have you heard what rappers call women and people of alternate lifestyle choices on the regular?

yeah okay, but that comes close to a dismissal of any "handwringing" critique of violence/homophobia/misogyny in rap, which i think is bullshit. it's good that people take offense to certain things, that they draw moral lines in the sand with regard to what is and isn't acceptable in art and entertainment. moral responses to such things aren't automatically invalid.

also tbh when someone asks me questions abt. my fav music along the lines of "how can you listen to these ppl who say such horrendous things" i don't really have a good fucking answer but maybe yall do i dunno.

yeah my answer is that i don't watch horror movies but i do listen to some pretty fucked up music

this entire discussion is weird

in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future

but whatever makes you feel better i guess

thinking more about the site itself than it's particular instantiation in OF, but, i'm not really on board w/ this:

part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us"

as i quote it, j0rdan does say "part of", so, how much? i don't think very much tbh. mostly it just seems like dudes basically enjoying themselves.

yeah, "handwringing" was kind of dismissive, and I'm totally down for questioning society's sexist bs in general, but it reminds me of when ppl were making their fb statuses calls to boycott 50 cent albums because they misread some tweet he made, like any of you crunchy fuckers were buying fiddy albums in the first place

xxxxps

if someone I loved was brutally murdered by a serial killer, I probably couldn't kick back and watch dexter either, but people have a right to create and consume the art that appeals to them

and now it's time for my favorite quote:

censors tend to do what only psychotics do: they confuse reality with illusion - cronenberg

in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future

― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i can get with that

in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future

― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:12 (4 minutes ago)

i call bullshit on this

hahah

its different. but not 'better'

maybe they're both objectionable in diff ways

lol xp

"I think a guy rapping about forcing a woman to fuck him is much less offensive than snoop dogg calling a groupie a ho"

i think trying to put these on a scale of acceptability is total bullshit. i dont care that OF are 'just joking' bcuz thats exactly what a rapper wd say if a girl called him out on calling her a 'ho' so

i'm not putting them on a scale of acceptability, i'm more saying that we will rationalize why the things we listen to are "ok"

there's a world of difference between "this is less offensive TO ME" & the statement you made

the furthest i would go is to suggest that odd future is not grounded in reality in a way that lots of other rap claims to be

xp yeah i was being a pain in the ass

yeah its an 'on the other hand' type thing: odd future def seem more going for some irrational juvenile shock irreverence, & on the other hand, rapping abt rape is a lot more ... um ... visceral. than casual misogyny. i can see ppl being 'more offended' by either one, tbh. i happen to feel like hearing dudes talk abt raping, joking/'obviously fantasy' or not, as being hard to stomach any more

im sure when i was 20 i would have been all who-gives-a-shit these dudes are dope!! but idk, the reasons i listen to music are different now

i mean the reason i can 'deal' w the geto boys better is bcuz of what theyve done as artists since, and bcuz of how old i was when that stuff first hit me, and because of what they were representing for, and all sorts of other contextual things that make them different.

but again, this is speaking purely from my perspective, & i can see where some younger dudes like j0rdan et al might find this more novel

enh, i'm not sure i even stand behind this, but: the front-and-center horror of OF's lyrics is, at least, qualitatively different from the wallpaper misogyny in a lot of other rap (and rock, etc). like, it's a lot harder to shrug off some of the more graphic imagery in OF than it is to be all "i was just kidding when i said 'ho'". you know? i mean, as some ppl got to upthread, at some point (it seems like) the dudes in OF would go "yeah, this shit IS pretty fucked up," while i can't imagine 50 or snoop ever copping to the fact that their lyrics are genuinely offensive to some people, and for good reason

xps

i think there are ways to explain their appeal that dont involve avoiding the offensive stuff, or pretending it doesnt exist, but incorporate it, and dont excuse it, but explain how it works for the listener.

surf- 1. don't do that 'lol old people' thing because i may be younger than you and people of all ages have problems with RAPE 2. most of the people in the thread love these guys and want to see them succeed, myself included and are talking about why they/i feel that why. doesn't mean we cannot attach criticism to the parts they dislike too. 3. i feel this way about all rap music that goes too far with my own personal hurdles of what i find offensive and your defense of 'oh but deej likes this one artist where i cannot find him criticising him for the same shit he is criticising of for' is stupid and lame. there is a lot of shit music i hate and a lot of jokes i don't find funny. there are examples when people i generally like make big mistakes. but we've got jobs and families and friends and hobbies and whatever and don't have time to discuss every fucking one of these issues somewhere. And you know what, I may be adding my dislike of Em's rape jokes or Biggie's rape jokes or whoever to these guys to streamline the conversation about rape jokes in rap. Poor OF but i'm sure their get over it. And just because it is one of the MANY parts of rap music and possibly the ONLY thing I can fault OF on doesn't mean it should be dismissed as some sort of new jack lightweight bullshit.

"t's a lot harder to shrug off some of the more graphic imagery in OF than it is to be all "i was just kidding when i said 'ho'". you know?"

arent a bunch of ppl in this thread trying to do just that

sure?

i mean was that supposed to be a gotcha or something?

ok, well thats who im responding to! we probably dont disagree

no im just explaining what im arguing with!

oh ok

i just resist the idea that there's somehow a more-righteous misogyny involved in these guys' case. i think a rapper who meets a lot of groupies observing groupies behaving like groupies is certainly offensive, but there are def ways in which it is certainly less offensive than ironic graphic rape raps, even if its more 'authentically felt'. just like the opposite can also be true.

I think I get what CAD is saying in terms of institutionalized attitudes in rap. like, you've got to suspend moral obligations if you're down with wu-tang yelling "this is dedicated to n****s who do drive-bys!" giving shout-outs to the casual murder of innocents should turn stomachs but it probably doesn't - "it's part of the game, man!" how many members of OF do you think are really living out their lyrics for street cred?

unfortunately there's no scientific formula for measuring the degree to which art reflects vs. shapes reality

^ sorry I just posted that without reading about 50 posts, it might make no sense in context w/e

in regards to 4chan, the only person i know irl who heard of these guys (besides, like, people involved in the music biz) was is a dude who's up on 4chan. i think he might have seen the Earl video even before i did because apparently it was sort of a hit there but less the exception than the norm.

he also gave me a pretty thorough explanation of what the site is and the culture and stuff and it definitely felt like a piece of the OFWGKTA aesthetic that i had been totally blind to

eIII's disclaimer applies here too

i guess maybe the divide here is that when i listen to these guys i hear young, fucked-up teenagers who are keenly self-aware of how fucked-up they are, and how their music will provoke listeners. so they have fun with it.

whereas, a lot of the time (not all) i think that dudes rappin about groupies and w/e ~actually feel that way~ about women.

but that's a personal thing, ymmv, etc

think we're all good here. this:

i mean, as some ppl got to upthread, at some point (it seems like) the dudes in OF would go "yeah, this shit IS pretty fucked up," while i can't imagine 50 or snoop ever copping to the fact that their lyrics are genuinely offensive to some people, and for good reason

is a really good point--if o.f. are still doing rape jokes in 5 years it will be sad and a waste of their talent--guess i'm saying i can handle it more because of THEIR age than anything to do w/MY age (deej we are pretty close in age i think?)

you're all just a bunch of blogging ass bloggers who chose a side based on a reaction to something you were probably ambivalent about and need something to SAY

soorrrrryyyyyyy

second google result for odd future

On Odd Future, Rape and Murder, And Why We Sometimes Like the Things That Repel Us
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2010/11/on_odd_future_r.php

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