ODD FUTURE WOLF GANG KILL THEM ALL

"weird!! people arent just looking the other day when they joke about raping!"

all the people pushing this narrative that OF is some drastic break from the culture

Think the conversation is entirely about how this isn't some drastic break from the culture, and how much that sucks.

surfboards offtm forever.

i do think it's weird, because i don't think o.f. are doing anything different from what a lot of acts have done

it's also possible to acknowledge it and even discuss it without taking it to the level of "the thing about oddfuture is that they are really offensive"

you're all old.

ok.

i do think it's weird, because i don't think o.f. are doing anything different from what a lot of acts have done

it's also possible to acknowledge it and even discuss it without taking it to the level of "the thing about oddfuture is that they are really offensive"

― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:40 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

i think being shocking is v central to what they do & what makes them stand apart

Think the conversation is entirely about how this isn't some drastic break from the culture, and how much that sucks.

substantiating my point completely. weak and stale cultural insights is all you have to talk about, so run away from any real musical evaluation and just write little think pieces about your version of the culture, the one you see through your screen at the coffee shop.

deej that's such a cop-out as a discerning hiphop listener

i get it, you're not on the bandwagon. but don't walk away from what these kids are doing muscially just because there's a convenient out

i think being shocking is v central to what they do & what makes them stand apart

yeah i guess this is just where we're gonna disagree

i get it, you're not on the bandwagon. but don't walk away from what these kids are doing muscially just because there's a convenient out

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:59 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not using this as a 'convenient out' -- im still trying to get into this stuff. ive admitted the rape-y ish puts me off just bcuz lol im getting old. but im not using it as a reason to damn this stuff or something. i just think that u can defend this stuff musically w/out resorting to 'rape jokes arent a big deal'

yeah i guess this is just where we're gonna disagree

― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:08 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

their breakthrough video has them spitting out bloody teeth & removing fingernails

you constantly c/s brotha lynch hung i mean come on

andre nickatina is a fucking sicko

yeah ok--i don't really give a shit about videos.

i DO think that what's central to o.f. is some version of teen-ness that involves exploring boundaries and doing/saying fucked up things, because you're trying to understand them. i mean i was a real tame kid in high school, and so were my friends, but that didn't preclude doing fucked up things every so often. feel like if o.f. are "about" anything, they are about that.

if you want to reduce that to shocking/offensive, be my guest

their 'breakout video' is literally exactly like a million skate videos since time immemorial

including CKY aka jackass

yup

i guess i'm old and think that shit is lame too.

doesn't mean i don't think EARL is one of the most talented rappers i've heard in ages and that tyler is a super creative dude

any serious rap fan that isn't a complete psycho is used to overlooking aspects of what they fav. artists says or put in their videos. i think everyone in this thread understands this pretty well. but please let people have their own reactions to this music without calling ppl "old" or whatever. shit is lame

weak and stale cultural insights is all you have to talk about, so run away from any real musical evaluation

Give me your "real musical evaluation."

Jesus Christ, I can't stand all this talk about how a goddamn conversation about rape and rape culture and how Odd Future participate in it and how people who like Odd Future should maybe think about that a little is somehow obscuring true insight into this music. If you wanna have your conversation, then have it.

hahahah rape culture

they're rapin everybody out there in LA outside the skate shop waiting for their mom to pickt hem up!!

rap for rapists

the whole NYC show was like a rapist convention

i actually got raped in the bathroom

like maybe i don't read the same sites as you guys but most discussion i've seen of these guys amongst rap ppl online has been massively positive and not focussing on much of the offensive stuff at all.

also tbh when someone asks me questions abt. my fav music along the lines of "how can you listen to these ppl who say such horrendous things" i don't really have a good fucking answer but maybe yall do i dunno. like i'm willing to accept it's nothing for raps fans to overlook this stuff but it's totally reasonable for other (most adjusted) human beings to have a different reaction

Give me your "real musical evaluation."

I'm not a "blogger."

surfboards coming off v badly itt

there is something different about the offense of OF from what was or is offensive about other rap. it doesn't put me in mind of basic crime and drug business and macho lying bullshit stuff so much as much as, like, browsing 4chan or, i dunno, gummo.

xp

fine. i've decided to take my talents to /b/

goole otm

surfboard dudes shut up, totally

fucktyler Tyler, The Creator
Aww Fuck, My Mom Is Watching The Performances On The Internet. Fuck, My Cousins Talk To Fucking Much. Now She's Gonna Ask Questions. FML

loooooooool

I must be a total savage cuz these lyrics really aren’t O_o to me. it’s youngsters goofing off and shit. Sure it’s tasteless but come the fuck on they rap dope

i think 4chan-type stuff is a current just like eminem or fondle em freestyle battle rap type shit is a current, but u know that stuff is transferred into art over mutant boom bap: it's not an empty nihilism, if one of these guys said "i've got issues" on a track it would be literally true. part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us". and o f are sick with it lyrically and have great hooks and ppl really dig the production style. lamp otm abt "clearly self-reflective/vulnerable". i mean "odd future" ffs.

feel like this post is probably the best response to loltarded 'omg rape future' partic what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us". thats why i think the violent rape fantasies, cop-killing, swastika stuff is, if not necessary, at least complimentary to the rest of what o f is about

also the shit is banging - needs to be kept in front

oh lol @ ' i have been otm in this thread' portion

u guys know its possible to, like, argue that this stuff is musically worthwhile while NOT dismissing ppl's discomfort w/ unapologetic rape jokes? that, like, just bcuz its rape jokes are done 'differently' than typical rap misogyny doesnt make it more (or less for that matter) 'forgiveable' than other rap misogyny? that ppl arguing about it being abrasive/offensive arent neccessarily saying it makes it worthless or uninteresting?

i dont have a problem w ppl feeling this! i do oppose pretending that rape jokes doent exist or dont matter or that ppl shouldnt be offended by them.

i actually love the rape jokes. i think they do matter big time theyre awesome

I made the geto boys comparison upthread and I still stand by that. I remember when the def american album came out, and listening to it at the time alternately cracked me up and gave me a sick feeling in my stomach. that album wasn't even pushing the limits, it was brushing past them on its way to a total nadir of antisocial nihilism.

I mean, listen to bushwick bill's verse on this @ 0:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGKR5Oe-4Oc

I get the same vibe from OF, so the feeling isn't unprecedented, but at least in their case it's offset by their goofy bedroom demo teen skater vibe.

OF are appealing to a demographic that handwrings about this stuff, so they are eliciting a response. and I agree with the point that if you're listening to hardcore rap, you're going to deal with a whole lot of unwholesome topics. hey guys have you heard what rappers call women and people of alternate lifestyle choices on the regular?

part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us".

lamp quoting J0rdan S. up there, btw, from two months back. it's an interesting idea. but like, would you apply that same justification to "4chan type shit" in general (including 4chan itself)? why or why not?

geto boys <3

...I remember when the [geto boys'] def american album came out, and listening to it at the time alternately cracked me up and gave me a sick feeling in my stomach. that album wasn't even pushing the limits, it was brushing past them on its way to a total nadir of antisocial nihilism.

I get the same vibe from OF, so the feeling isn't unprecedented, but at least in their case it's offset by their goofy bedroom demo teen skater vibe.

OTFM

...I agree with the point that if you're listening to hardcore rap, you're going to deal with a whole lot of unwholesome topics. hey guys have you heard what rappers call women and people of alternate lifestyle choices on the regular?

yeah okay, but that comes close to a dismissal of any "handwringing" critique of violence/homophobia/misogyny in rap, which i think is bullshit. it's good that people take offense to certain things, that they draw moral lines in the sand with regard to what is and isn't acceptable in art and entertainment. moral responses to such things aren't automatically invalid.

also tbh when someone asks me questions abt. my fav music along the lines of "how can you listen to these ppl who say such horrendous things" i don't really have a good fucking answer but maybe yall do i dunno.

yeah my answer is that i don't watch horror movies but i do listen to some pretty fucked up music

this entire discussion is weird

in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future

but whatever makes you feel better i guess

thinking more about the site itself than it's particular instantiation in OF, but, i'm not really on board w/ this:

part of what's going on with 4chan type shit anyway is generational male rebellion & angst presented in a way that's tricky to dismiss as corny, a visceral rejection of, & reflection of, "the world our parents left for us"

as i quote it, j0rdan does say "part of", so, how much? i don't think very much tbh. mostly it just seems like dudes basically enjoying themselves.

yeah, "handwringing" was kind of dismissive, and I'm totally down for questioning society's sexist bs in general, but it reminds me of when ppl were making their fb statuses calls to boycott 50 cent albums because they misread some tweet he made, like any of you crunchy fuckers were buying fiddy albums in the first place

xxxxps

if someone I loved was brutally murdered by a serial killer, I probably couldn't kick back and watch dexter either, but people have a right to create and consume the art that appeals to them

and now it's time for my favorite quote:

censors tend to do what only psychotics do: they confuse reality with illusion - cronenberg

in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future

― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i can get with that

in a lot of ways the taken-for-granted violence and institutional misogyny of "regular" hip-hop is more objectionable than the fantasyworld of odd future

― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:12 (4 minutes ago)

i call bullshit on this

hahah

its different. but not 'better'