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and i forgot to mention that i finally heard ramleh - the recent compilation of singles and "homeless." basically they're somewhere between early skullflower and loop, mantric and repetitive but nowhere near as lacerating as the flower. worth checking out.

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 3 January 2003 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm... perusing this older thread I can confirm that the college radio at which I toiled in the early 90's also had a copy of 'Xaman' with the oxidizing effect, or whatever it is.

Also my copy of the Blue Orchids 'View From the City' cd comp has had a similar effect (release date unknown ? - but definitely early 90's), and others with the cd have said the same. But thankfully it still plays well.

Also, this cracked me up:

(actually, all beatles records suck even though i've only heard one).

Terrific critical acumen there.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 3 January 2003 09:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I got 'Xaman' burned and yes, there are clicks and whatnot in the last six minutes. if you can track down the Xaman LP then you can get the non-rotten version of the last track and it will all be OK (I have not done this but i know someone who has it).

I tracked down the ramleh singles comp and I had a merry Xmas with it. quite nice but not as good as skullflower at their best.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 3 January 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

S: LAST SHOT AT HEAVEN, IIIRD GATEKEEPER
D: ARGON

Switch back and forth on: CARVED INTO ROSES

doug (doug), Friday, 3 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

not too much to add here, but IIIrd Gatekeeper was my first skullflower disc and has served me well. For my gal, Skullflower is emblematic of the worst crapnoise I listen to on a minorly regular basis.

After one adventurous day I found myself with a post-it note from myself that read "dear nick, welcome to your spine." That sums up skullflower well for me.

nick ring (nick ring), Saturday, 4 January 2003 06:11 (twenty-three years ago)

nick- so what's the best 'crapnoise'?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 January 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
Carved into Roses is a canonical noise album. You heard it here first.

~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Sunday, 18 September 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
I got me a copy of Form Destroyer today.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

Smuggo. I mean, well done.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

hey ny'ers...stoop/moving sale in williamsburg tomorrow at the girlfriend's house, 471 humboldt btw frost and richardson, near daddys. I've got 2 crates of records to sell/give away including some skullflower/ramleh related releases. Seriously, I've got a 90s UK hardcore type compilation I bought because it features a JFK track w/ Matthew Bower on it. Also, Ax, Ascension, etc.

(and plenty of non-skullflower)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

shit, man, i wish i could. if you've got a copy of nova feedback you'd be willing to part with...

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 18 June 2006 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I think that's one of them. all hold onto it if you want, email me.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

I've got 2 crates of records to sell/give away including some skullflower/ramleh related releases.

GIMME

Q('.'Q) (eman), Sunday, 18 June 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

the stoop sale went to a)friends who stopped by, including b)eat records, and finally what didn't "move", c)academy records, where some CDs were left for Ian.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 19 June 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

Good on you, Ian. Form Destroyer is one of the greatest psych albums ever in my book, and the vinyl version is a lot better than what's on the Ruins CD. Stefan Jaworzyn left Skullflower 'cause he couldn't stand the low-fi mixes, but they suited the material better.

Someday I'll get around to writing that Skullflower discog overview...

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

edward i wld v. much like to read that - GET TO IT!

what did ppl think of 'Orange Canyon Mind' - to my ears not that diff from recentish Sunroof stuff, and not as tasty as the hototogisu stuff w/ marcia b (i know el sabor will prob disagree!)

i wish Stefan was a prolific as Bower

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote about them here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0424,eddy1,54363,22.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

gd pic of bower (a redundant brit writes)

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Chuck, in never-failing-to-surprise-me non-shockah.

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

i now have Argon

Q('.'Q) (eman), Monday, 19 June 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Forgot to mention this invaluable source of Skullflower lore:
http://www.monotremata.com/skull/

Matt Bower and Robert Creeley, separated at birth?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/BOWER.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/CREELEY.gif

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

So anyway, Crucial Blast reissued IIIrd Gatekeeper, and while I already had it, it's nice to hear/have rip open my head again. (Also the liner notes are invaluable for providing a detailed early history of the band, and imply that more reissues are due.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 02:44 (eighteen years ago)

Amazing album.

W4LTER, Thursday, 22 November 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

I'm rather fond of Obsidian Shaking Codex, myself. It hardly ever seems to get any mention, for some reason.

Michael Dudikoff presents Action Adventure Theatre, Thursday, 22 November 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

it's XAMAN for me, total mind destruction. i hope they can rescue somebody's CD for reissuing purposes at some point.

i thought i commented earlier ITT about IIIrd gatekeeper being kind of an odd choice as a reissue as it's already relatively easy to find. and i also thought i expressed some vague hope stefan jaworzyn would stop being a cock and let them reissue the early stuff.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Well, it's a good gateway drug of an album, I'd say. More focused, more conventionally RAWK, and given Crucial Blast's general approach, it suits them. So why not?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

hey, more skullflower is always better than less. i just hope it sells and they're able to do more. go, crucial blast, go.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Edward III for that Skullflower singles comp he posted a while back. Thanks!!!

sleeve, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Did I miss that? Is it still around?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

yeah was that on leonardo or something?

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

It was on Leonardo, I can send you an email in a week or so if it is gone.

(xpost to Ned)

sleeve, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

it's XAMAN for me, total mind destruction.

seconded

am0n, Thursday, 22 November 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

One of the ugliest band names ever. Just felt like getting that out of my system.

Turangalila, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.newtrose.com/images/Gratefuldead/420703.jpg

am0n, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - no way. brilliant name. suits them to a T.

Mr. Hal Jam, Thursday, 22 November 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I've always thought it was a very extremely awesome name.

W4LTER, Thursday, 22 November 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

you are welcome sleeve, glad you dug it...

for those who missed it's like scraping resin canyon

Edward III, Sunday, 25 November 2007 03:04 (eighteen years ago)

thanks!!!!!!!

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 25 November 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

Agreed!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2007 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

Thx for posting links to those interviews. I've liked Skullflower for years but never researched them at all. Im particularly fond of Xaman.

Ulysses, Monday, 26 November 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmHdmvJ_aX8

am0n, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

YEAH

RabiesAngentleman, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Kewl. But I admit I was hoping for a 1991-era clip or something similar!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

kewl?

ian, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

1991 talk on my part, clearly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 May 2008 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

awww, whadda drag. would anyone mind re-upping that singles comp? I'd love to hear it.

original bgm, Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

Theres a new one out. I forget the name of it but I saw it floating around the WNYU studio... Will post when I figure it out.

jonathan - stl, Friday, 9 May 2008 06:26 (eighteen years ago)

Its called "Desire For A Holy War," out on Utech. The song "Frozen Spectres" is pretty cool.

jonathan - stl, Friday, 9 May 2008 06:32 (eighteen years ago)

I was at the Skullflower gig - Bower started the performance 'singing' from inside a big sack-like blanket, for reasons that I'm afraid escaped me

Ward Fowler, Friday, 9 May 2008 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

there's also ANOTHER new skullflower. "pure imperial reform."

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 9 May 2008 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

np

tl;dr fun fact: matt bower played drums on "elephant's graveyard"

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:45 (twelve years ago)

I noticed that!

money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 20:56 (twelve years ago)

We've also had a mutant called JFK on bass on the two above tracks. The stuff he played was real good but he's not the kind of person you really want to have to look at or converse with

jfk rfi

ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 21:18 (twelve years ago)

JFK was an alias of anthony difranco, he was the bassist on IIIrd gatekeeper

lot of shots fired in that interview lol

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:11 (twelve years ago)

Thanks for pulling out the other interview.

He has a mixed relationship w/publicity. Wantng Skullflower as a group to be known a bit more, gain a visibility - at fanzine level, rather than getting to the mainstream music press - but then after splitting away not ever having a web presence at all, and he is fairly hostile to anything web (eBay etc.)

For a group that sounded quite improvised its surprising how far between their live appearances were. And its a bit of an untold tale how he got to acquire 'notes'. His work with Ascension etc isn't texturey at all. Look at Jason Pierce's attempts at imrpov by comparison. SJ really absorbed the free stuff he was listening to.

Shame that Borbetomagus comp never came to be. The Dead C comp issued on Shock is one of my favourites in a very underrated calatogue.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:30 (twelve years ago)

lot of shots fired in that interview lol

Yeah, kinda fashionable at the time to take pops at Mike McG iirc, which always seemed like some bullshit to me.

gotta lol geir (NickB), Tuesday, 8 October 2013 22:35 (twelve years ago)

I never dug the Ascension stuff as much as Skullflower, but SJ did an awesome interview in Marc Master's Crank Automotive zine that was big reading for me in college. Same issue had an equally epic Richard Youngs interview.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 04:17 (twelve years ago)

Stefan used to be a regular punter at the bookshop where I worked, and was always a really sociable dude (I'm not sure the humour behind a lot of his opinions comes across that well in these interviews.) One day he came in while I was playing 'Copy Shoot Cop' by Spiritualised. Stefan asked me what it was, and when I told him it was Spiritualised, he was REALLY disgusted (w/ me, w/ himself, w/humanity)

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 08:45 (twelve years ago)

Copy Shop Cop

gotta lol geir (NickB), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 08:47 (twelve years ago)

http://jpburnett.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/skullflower252b252biii.png

ṿῗᾄǤℝᾄ (am0n), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 21:07 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

V good interview w/this guy in the wire. Repeats his hostility to vinyl.

Also pleased he had a not so favourable reaction to Funhouse.

Also lol @plans for a Derek Bailey solo alb to called One More Solo Album

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:56 (twelve years ago)

Sad sad that never came out.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:56 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

Playing tonight: http://www.cafeoto.co.uk/voice-and-guitar-beyond-tradition.shtm

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 March 2014 12:31 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

kvetch #1: o great reissuers of skullflower, you serve a worthy and honored purpose, but why o why do you place bonus tracks at the beginning? that must be some pretty righteous shit if you think I need to hear any of it before "elephant's graveyard".

actually…

j., Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:45 (eleven years ago)

ten months pass...

Last Shot At Heaven! up at Bandcamp with bonus track
https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/album/last-shot-at-heaven

ringworm, Monday, 25 May 2015 10:16 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

I don't think I've heard any Skullflower since 2008. Am I missing anything?

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 11 August 2017 11:56 (eight years ago)

The KIno series of remasters?
I think I gave up on them after that . I think I have Argon somewhere and could never get into it.
Had the IIIrd Gatekeeper in its original cd form which I got in Dublin in the mid 90s and like muchly. Also really like Ramlegh's Homeless for some of the same reasons.
mauy prefer Loop for better groove.
BUt have got into the KIno volumes I bought recently. Mainly IV though.

Stevolende, Friday, 11 August 2017 18:40 (eight years ago)

despite it's questionable title, Homeless features one of my favorite songs from either group...Fagenders.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 August 2017 20:21 (eight years ago)

fwiw a fag end is a cigarette butt in the UK

Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 August 2017 21:24 (eight years ago)

hah. I feel better about it now.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 August 2017 23:33 (eight years ago)

not like Ramleh never toyed around with some questionable stuff of course.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 August 2017 23:33 (eight years ago)

Ramleh's Circular Time 2cd from a few years back is well worth checking out... massive grooves, kinda noisy but earth-moving.

I actually just got all of the Kino CDs (I had Form Destroyer and Xaman on vinyl already but bonus traxx)! Was kind of wondering if he had gotten out of his uninteresting, headache-inducing black metal inspired phase 'cause I liked og Skullflower. I liked the weird, Krauty stuff he did in the later Sunroof! era and the first revival of Skullflower. I loved the weird, acoustic drone stuff he did for a while. But that shrieky shit makes me check out fast.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:32 (eight years ago)

https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/

👁 (am0n), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:02 (eight years ago)

I was hoping someone else had already spent weeks trawling through the Bandcamp but anyway

http://skullflower.bandcamp.com/album/the-wisdom-of-venom

Pretty listenable excepting some moments of high pitched feedback, but the last song is really cool... twisty organ loop into some epic guitar fuzz arching into the blastosphere. Kinda Sunroof! or Total vibes.

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 20 August 2017 08:46 (eight years ago)

oh cool, sunroof! still one of my all time favorites even though i haven't kept up

the late great, Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)

though imo his peak is youngsbower

the late great, Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

Yeah Youngsbower was amazing. Sigh. Why no Youngsbower 2?

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 20 August 2017 23:52 (eight years ago)

That period where like Boredoms VCN and Super AE vibes and also Krautronic burbling melodies were influencing Bower was primo

The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 20 August 2017 23:52 (eight years ago)

I was hoping someone else had already spent weeks trawling through the Bandcamp but anyway
― The Man Who Saw The Midwife (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, August 20, 2017 4:46 AM

haha it is a lot to go thru. no tinkling synths yet but the more recent stuff under the "yllustrous forger of dreams" moniker is reaching back to the calm era. will prob buy the newest one - https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/album/the-108
https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/track/burning-swamp-of-pitch

this one is also nice owing to the psaltery playing - https://skullflower.bandcamp.com/track/melek-taus

also:

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3931828151_10.jpg

👁 (am0n), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:07 (eight years ago)

Thanks! "Dove Grey Lagoons" on the 108 is great!

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 4 September 2017 06:38 (eight years ago)


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