The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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I've had a love/hate relationship with The Cure that had long since given way to indifference. but recently I've listened again to Robert Smith's 1983 collaboration album with Steve Severin - The Glove is great! (probably like how I'd rather listen to the Andy Partridge solo album Take Away/Lure Of Salvage than most XTC.)

as with many Cure detractors, Bob's voice and self-pity usually get to me. still have fond memories of Seventeen Seconds and Faith but I also enjoy some later stuff where twisted humour, all of Pornography, or tenderness, "The Upstairs Room" and "Birdmadgirl", balance out the self-loathing and sappiness.

the Laurence Tolhurst abuse didn't help Robert Smith's case (and John McGeoch was a better Banshee).

Paul, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

stop

Paul, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Cure are fucking appalling. As someone else already keenly observed - a classic case of having a fucking awful voice. I mean I don't mind some of the musicianship but fatboy Smith is such a twat. Really.

I had a girlfriend once who was into these boys hard and she used to play is it 'Pictures of You' (?) over and over and over (a sort of pining for a lost love I think; not me, incidentally). Anyway, it used to bore the hell out of me, not to mention what felt like a large hole in my brain.

The thing is, with the Cure, it's like the Manic Street FUCKING Preachers syndrome - people who like 'em don't just like 'em, they fucking LOVE 'em, and think they're prophets or something. No, they are miserable, half-goths with absolutely nothing to say and even less charisma.

That said, I am admit that I am hardly familiar know their canon, since I can't bear exposure to it for protracated periods.

Still; DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUD

Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I think it's that the boring protestations of those who don't 'get' the music always have to be matched by those who emphatically do. One defines the other ..

Dare, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not at all, Paul. There's something about The Cure and The Preachers that triggers fervour of a disturbing religiosity in people's heads, well, in my experience anyway. And if you wanna put that to the test, gently question a more avid fan and watch them twist like they was shackled to the cross.

Hmm, having said that, I do get riled when someone fails to 'get' my favourite bands and indulges in the kind of mindless attack I have already posted against The Cure. Yet, I feel that certain bands are wont to attract a more dependent following, who hang the band's music like metaphorical rosaries. And I'm not sure that even among my most beloved artists, there are those which I could hold in such equally mindless esteem.

What say you?

Roger fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
If i brooded around and had a aweful voice, would i be as good as the cure, which coincidently, isnt even good to begin with

DUD

Hayward, Thursday, 3 October 2002 02:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Oddly enough, I've never really sought out their albums; I'm sure I'll get around to it, but I'm pretty sure they'll always be available... Pretty much all of their singles, though, are flat-out amazing - how could they not be classic?

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 October 2002 04:37 (twenty-three years ago)

The albums are SO WORTH IT, Clarke.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 October 2002 11:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Quite.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 October 2002 23:38 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmmmmmm .............
dud

donna (donna), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm exactly like Clarke. Always loved what I heard, but only own 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me'... Last year I told a friend of mine that the reason for this is because I pretty much know that I'll like them and am just 'saving it'. Is this like some weird Cure phenomena?

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I LOVE THE CURE. They fill a niche that no other band does. From the acutely depresso Pornography stuff to the silly dance stuff to the haunting gothy Faith stuff to the blatant sunshine pop... they've done all this convincingly and well. Did they invent the drugged up goofy romantic miserable goth ecstatic giddy thing?

Yet I do wonder how much my own nosatlgia plays a role. I still think Wish is great, despite every. review. ever. written. Maybe if I hadn't listened to it for the 1st time as a teenager travelling thru Europe with schoomates I'd think differently.

Aaron A., Friday, 4 October 2002 03:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Where to start, Ned and Dan? I'm thinking _Pornography_, but some of their _Disintegration_-era stuff kills me (esp. "Lovesong").

Also, I really really like the Wolfgang Press song on _Lonely is an Eyesore_, but I've heard their recordings are pretty patchy. Any recommendations there?

Clarke B., Friday, 4 October 2002 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

In your place I'd start with 17 Seconds, Clarke. It has their greatest song on it, "A Forest" and I find it the darkest and most powerful of their records. A lot of their stuff didn't age too well (even Disintegration), but this record definitely stood the test of time.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 4 October 2002 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't go for _Pornography_ first; I think I'd get _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_ and the cassette version of _Standing On A Beach_ in order to get the b-sides.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 11:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic until "Stranding on a Beach" came out, after which they descended into the depths of self-parody.

TMFTML (TMFTML), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I kinda saved them also, Kim - owned the two singles compilations for years before actually buying my first proper album (Disintegration) just this year. Though I do like it, it hasn't swayed me into snatching up the others yet. Maybe in another four years I'll get another one.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 4 October 2002 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

They fill(ed?) a niche no one else did (which I usually characterize as "Harlequin romance rock") and they did a perfectly accomplished and unique job of it most of the time but it's not one I care to listen to much at all. I can play Pornography maybe a couple times per year and it's sometimes nice to hear the singles on the radio but overall there's not a big connection. And I couldn't imagine sitting through a whole album of stuff like "In Between Days" or "Let's Go to Bed". The singles comp (Staring At the Sea?) is probably as much as I'd need of that. I'd buy Disintegration if I thought I'd ever listen to it. Wish and Wild Mood Swings were awful.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 4 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I honestly cannot comprehend how _Wish_ is AWFUL.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

the cure were/are one of the best bands for dancing to whilst only wearing underwear...hopefully not by yourself...

g (graysonlane), Friday, 4 October 2002 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, I'm a liar. I totally forgot that I also had 'Standing on a Beach' on cassette - played it to death. I don't have it anymore though. I think my brother "borrowed" it and never gave it back! Ooooh...that little...

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I like just like heaven, I'm going to get Kiss me times 3.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

classic classic classic and why should you not dance to the cure in underwear by yourself! unless you are wearing the underwear out to the goth dance club, of course.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Have you ever been to a goth dance club? Underwear as outerwear is pretty much de rigeur.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Clarke, start with Disintegration first, and then try Seventeen Seconds and then Pornography. I've argued elsethread about this already so I won't go into the details here...just click the link, cause there's a lot of other good talk there anyhow.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Pretend that there's a smiley at the end of my last post. I sound like a meanie otherwise.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 4 October 2002 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...
"And yet Robert Smith - the Chatterton of Crawley - had created if not a wall of sound then a very high hedge of sound, over which he seemed to peer at the world like a boy who couldn't be bothered to ask for his ball back."

the "cure=suburbia" part of Michael Bracewell's England Is Mine is one of the best things ever!

etc, Wednesday, 20 August 2003 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"Join the Dots" (B Sides and rarities) is out on October 21st. I presume it'll have the much talked about Cassette b sides from Standing on a Beach on it, but does anyone know that actual tracklisting is?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Classic, BTW. Again, my mid-teens coincided with Disintegration and I was full-on obsessed for a couple of years. I bought a shedload of albums at Oxfam last year, and a friend and I drove our GF/wives insane by listening, back to back, to 17 Seconds, Faith, Pornography and the Top. Divorce was on the horizon by the end of that evening.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Hopefully it'll have the stuff off "curiosity", too. And that soundtrack they did.

Thing is, there are SO many B-sides and rarities which have officially surfaced that they'd have to put out a box set. As it is, if the remasters that are surfacing next year are going to include bonus discs for each with room for other oddities, then that will partially settle the problem.

Thy Lethal Zen Ned (Ned), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

This news makes me very, very happy.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

won't come out on Oct. 21st though. That info was wrong

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

When is it out then?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

No official release date..

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I kind of like the guitars in "Pictures of You".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Recently listened to Dark Side of the Moon and then Disintegration back to back. Confirmed what I already knew.
Fuck the Canon and the Keepers it rode in on. The Cure > Pink Floyd.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Just adding to the calls of "Classic" (up to, and including, Wish, that is).

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...
Shall I expound at great length here about The Cure's gig at the Barfly last night? Or does it warrant its own thread?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 March 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

either way, spill!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. Now please. Or else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Giz it.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't want to make The Raggett angry.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm trying to envision whether turning into a green Lou Ferrigno is merely a lateral move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty much.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah well, the downsides.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 March 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, too busy right now, but will gush like a geyser tomorrow. In the meantime, drooooool over the setlist...

Shake Dog Shake
Fascination Street
A Strange Day
A Night Like This
Lovesong
Push
Sinking
Pictures Of You
Lullaby
Lovecats
Maybe Someday
In Your House
From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
M
Charlotte Sometimes
Inbetween Days
Just Like Heaven
Hey You!!!
Play For Today
A Forest

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)
10.15 Saturday Night
Boys Don't Cry
I Dig You (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman)
I'm A Cult Hero (with Porl Thompson and Frank The Postman),
Close To Me
Let's Go To Bed
Why Can't I Be You
Friday I'm In Love

Fucking hell, just reading that through sends me into space. I'm still shellshocked.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 7 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

WAH! *whimpers and hopes for bootleg...somewhere...ANYWHERE*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

THEY DID CULT HERO MATERIAL???????

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

With Porl and Frank no less. And was not Charlie saying some months back about how the band has fallen off recently? UNDESERVING INFIDEL! But I will not bear a grudge. Yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Fire In Cairo (as a 3 piece)
Grinding Halt (as a 3 piece)

Genius.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Sunday, 7 March 2004 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

In Bob we trust.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 8 June 2026 19:41 (one week ago)

him saying it's ready for release is a little different than saying it's almost done, no?

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 8 June 2026 19:53 (one week ago)

I think he was saying the next record was already recorded back when SOALW came outside

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 8 June 2026 20:35 (one week ago)

'about to be delivered to universal' at least gives me some room for optimism that it might actually be happening

and yeah he'd previously talked about how they'd recorded two albums worth of material during the songs of a lost world sessions

ufo, Monday, 8 June 2026 21:11 (one week ago)

the fact that the last album was received with love instead of indifference might change the equation a bit

Cod:Shellfish (emsworth), Monday, 8 June 2026 21:32 (one week ago)

last night in Austria, no live stream but another ! setlist

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-cure/2026/pannonia-fields-ii-blue-stage-nickelsdorf-austria-5341f309.html

StanM, Saturday, 13 June 2026 01:15 (one week ago)

"Shake Dog Shake," "100 Years" and "Plainsong" :swoon:

Bee OK, Saturday, 13 June 2026 01:43 (one week ago)

Tonight: Firenze Rocks - no live streams for any of the previous days, so probably none today either.

On BBC6 Robert said they have rehearsed 55 songs for this Summer festival tour, so we're not done yet :-)

StanM, Sunday, 14 June 2026 10:49 (one week ago)

look forward to that elusive Descent / Splintered In Her Head / Happy The Man encore

Cod:Shellfish (emsworth), Sunday, 14 June 2026 11:15 (one week ago)

I *think* they played Happy The Man once or twice in 1984? I should check, they did do Splintered in '81 fairly regularly.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 14 June 2026 16:15 (one week ago)

Yeah it was part of the standard setlist on the Top tour. Love that one and all the bsides from that 1983-1985 period

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 14 June 2026 20:23 (one week ago)

A Fragile Thing had its tour debut yesterday

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-cure/2026/ippodromo-del-visarno-florence-italy-6b4c2eda.html

StanM, Monday, 15 June 2026 02:39 (six days ago)

... I had NO idea any of this existed: the Pornography LSD Soaked Supercut, all 1982 session/TV versions (Siamese Twin with violins and ballet dancers) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ZVKQOrQ-g

StanM, Monday, 15 June 2026 17:32 (six days ago)

The in-studio version of “FIGURE HEAD” which opens that is one of my all time Cure favourites. Seeing them actually in those sessions was like finding footage of the pyramids being built or something.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 15 June 2026 20:33 (six days ago)

Also peak Roberts Smith/Pattinson crossover

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 15 June 2026 21:57 (six days ago)

really like the version of "primary" (36:10) more in your face, vocals more up front.

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 16 June 2026 01:45 (five days ago)

On Saturday, they're headlining the Pinkpop Festival (after Editors) - there's going to be a livestream on Friday-Saturday-Sunday, several bands are announced already, just not the headliners.
Maybe those haven't decided if they want to be live streamed yet (Friday: Twenty One Pilots / Saturday: The Cure / Sunday: Foo Fighters) - this is the current schedule and also the page where the stream should be:

https://3voor12.vpro.nl/artikelen/pinkpop-livestream-tijdschema-2026

StanM, Wednesday, 17 June 2026 15:12 (four days ago)

^ update: The Cure has been added to the streaming schedule. The complete set, two hours, Saturday

StanM, Thursday, 18 June 2026 18:55 (three days ago)

mailing list links:

Pinkpop, Saturday evening https://www.thecure.com/news/live/pinkpop/

Isle of Wight Festival, Sunday evening, UK ONLY :( - https://www.sky.com/watch/isle-of-wight-festival-2026

StanM, Friday, 19 June 2026 13:58 (two days ago)

Thanks for all these updates StanM, as this point in time shows are fun to keep track of.

Bee OK, Friday, 19 June 2026 17:52 (two days ago)

oh they are showing bits of some festival on sky arts tonight which is free to air. i wonder if Sunday night will also be? yes, according to TV listings

Bog Dork (koogs), Friday, 19 June 2026 19:07 (two days ago)

I hope that Pinkpop link on TheCure.com works because that VPRO livestream is geofenced after all, only visible in the NL (unless you VPN I guess)

StanM, Saturday, 20 June 2026 12:16 (yesterday)

doesn't look like we'll have any live streams this weekend after all :(

StanM, Saturday, 20 June 2026 20:30 (yesterday)

That’s weird Stan, I’m watching it without any problems here in Flanders

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 20 June 2026 20:39 (yesterday)

That link did just not show any stream for me on any of my browsers or devices - I don't get it. Anyway, I'm happy for you I guess :(

StanM, Sunday, 21 June 2026 05:38 (five hours ago)

I'll find it somewhere, no worries :-)

StanM, Sunday, 21 June 2026 05:41 (five hours ago)

Simon had a black eye?

StanM, Sunday, 21 June 2026 05:56 (five hours ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joIICfW-Tw8

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-cure/2026/megaland-south-stage-landgraaf-netherlands-634c9a4b.html

Charlotte Sometimes! (and they messed up Fascination Street)

StanM, Sunday, 21 June 2026 06:11 (five hours ago)

Watching the opening there, I think it's sunk in that "Alone" is one of their all-time great songs, top ten even. It packs an emotional wallop.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 21 June 2026 07:34 (three hours ago)

in the uk, sky arts / sky mix (both freeview) tonight for Isle of Wight festival show. 9 to 11:15 it says but I'm not sure how much of that is the cure's set

Bog Dork (koogs), Sunday, 21 June 2026 11:01 (fifteen minutes ago)


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