― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:14 (twenty years ago) link
i'd probably place dream syndicate's Days of Wine and Roses as number one on my list, with True West's Hollywood Holiday second.
― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:22 (twenty years ago) link
― may pang (maypang), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:29 (twenty years ago) link
Nope just the one song. It was the only song she sang live too.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:48 (twenty years ago) link
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:51 (twenty years ago) link
I saw Steve Wynn play earlier in the year, and he said during the show that he hoped Medicine Show would be re-released on CD next year.
There's a comment here
http://www.stevewynn.net/qanda.php
saying they are working on getting it out on Sid Griffin's label
― quiksilver messenger (quiksilver messenger), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:38 (twenty years ago) link
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― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link
The most similar sound I can thnk of is Robert Quine (RIP), especially when he was playing with Lou Reed. Others?
― briania (briania), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― danh (danh), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link
Thin White Rope were different, but shared with Dream Syndicate the same love for screeching guitar interplay. And the dry, ascetic sound of _Days of Wine and Roses_ has something to do with Feelies' _Crazy Rhythms_.For what's worth, I worship the memory of all these groups as some of the best American bands ever (Gun Club are just a little behind).
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― gnarly sceptre, Monday, 23 April 2007 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Been slowly going through my archive of stuff and #1 on the list is this... Dream Syndicate, July 1982 at the Tower Records in El Toro, CA (where I spent a LOT of money over the years). All five songs are on my YouTube stream but if you're going to watch one make it this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG03K1Iuazw
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, The Medicine Show is finally getting reissued
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
ha, finally! i interviewed Steve in 2001 or 2002 and asked him when that record would be reissued. he said "i'm working on it!"
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
awesome video! did you take it?
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Great news. That's a really underappreciated album - John Coltrane Stereo Blues is killer. People always say it should have been better, but we'll have to settle for really very good.
― ithappens, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't take it, but I was certainly there.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
would've loved to see the original Dream Syndicate. The live stuff I've got by them is sweet -- super loose, but always fun.
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 March 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
That slicingupeyeballs link doesn't work. I'm withholding sweaty fanboy hugs until the reissue is verified.
I have vivid memories of playing cuts from their first two albums during my first-ever college radio show. They worked perfectly in my nite-owl 2-4 a.m. slot, the studio lit with a blacklight.
Those looking for more, I didn't see Eleventh Dream Day's Prairie School Freakout (1988) mentioned. Dream Syndicate is just one of many elements (Gun Club, X, Neil Young), but it's there.
Okay, here it is -
The concerts, on May 14 and 15, will feature Wynn and his current band — Jason Victor, Dave DeCastro and Linda Pitmon — performing Medicine Show front-to-back on the first night and 1982’s The Days of Wine and Roses on the second, with “both sets fortified with many extra songs both old and brand new.”
*hugz*
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
It would be tempting to roadtrip to Atlanta for that except I'm planning to go see Torche in Chicago.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
wynn's band these days is killer -- his solo stuff is hit and miss, but he always delivers live.
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 March 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
hey guys i just put together this live companion to days of wine & roses if anyone is interested. it is pretty pretty good. http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/26425201595/the-dream-syndicate-the-days-of-wine-and-roses
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
oh tyler, once again filling our needs before we realize it!
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
did you ever see 'em back then? listening this week, seems like they were almost *too* loose. a couple of the shows are just total messes.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
I did, and yup they were a mess sometimes -- but Karl's noise guitar was usually not as much of a hindrance for me as Steve's singing.
― Mafia-owned bar for transvestites (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
ha yeah, he sometimes sounds like he's just hollering over the din. but i think i got some of the better performances. they could kick a lot of ass, too!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
Sometimes Duck's drumming was just a monotonous, super-simple snare hit, too, seemingly the anchor in the maelstrom. But yeah, I'm a fan! The intro to "John Coltrane" gives me chills the same way "Marquee Moon" does. When they were great (more in studio than live for me) they were really great.
― Mafia-owned bar for transvestites (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
xp yep, i agree! the version of 'That's What You Always Say' on there is fantastic. Dennis Duck = elegant linchpin as always. and i love Kendra. One time when Pell Mell played at the Anti-Club in LA Kendra came in and sat right down in front. sadly, she then got up and walked out about 1/4 of the way through our set. humiliating!
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
ha! oh well. seeing kendra in public at all is probably akin to seeing a rare species of bird or something.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
There's a lot of their live stuff up at Archive.org. I love that early stuff from 82-3.the lp Day Before wine & Roses is also very worth checking out. Recorded I think about 3 weeks before the studio lp for a local radio station.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
Oh & the lp by Kendra Smith is pretty nice, not sure if its remotely available though.Her on an Indian pump organ thing like Nico used to play.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i got all of those live performances from archive.org -- gotta be a pretty complete collection of dream syndicate tapes. kendra definitely needs some kind of box set thing. does anyone have her phone #.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
haha, given her last address was a cabin with no electricity...
― Mafia-owned bar for transvestites (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 July 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
pony express stop then
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 3 July 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
Kendra will be joining the band for a couple of LA shows next week.
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2017/12/06/dream-syndicate-kendra-smith-reunion/
― nickn, Thursday, 7 December 2017 06:38 (six years ago) link
KEXP performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=jNp29YcLP0E
― nickn, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
2cd Suspects anthology sethttp://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=618084
― Stevolende, Sunday, 1 April 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
New album in May. Info and one song here.
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2019/02/20/dream-syndicate-these-times-tour-dates/?fbclid=IwAR39HgoHdVy1KIdx4UQVcigvcCFe3aHJJRVK3wKMjzFY82ILcVNQ_CAbmcw
― nickn, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 21:39 (five years ago) link
Anyone else spent some time with the new album These Times?
I'm listening to Bullet Holes rn and the guitar is just gorgeous... Black Light's pretty amazing too. Like the newer Church albums, they seem to have locked down mixing albums to make the guitars sound angelic.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 June 2019 01:29 (four years ago) link
that shoulda been "locked down the art of mixing albums"
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 16 June 2019 01:35 (four years ago) link
Another new one coming, with a 20-min song link in the article.
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2020/02/26/dream-syndicate-universe-inside/
― nickn, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link
I really liked These Times. Otm about the guitars sounding gorgeous
― hooper (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 27 February 2020 04:07 (four years ago) link
Out today--details, link to video etc here:https://press-anti-.cmail20.com/t/ViewEmail/d/CD47FA39B42E8BBF2540EF23F30FEDED/37DF686EB1636A57DBC23BD704D2542D
― dow, Friday, 10 April 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
dudes are prolific these years, I'm on board
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 10 April 2020 18:00 (four years ago) link
I love these guys but this is kinda slight and disappointing :(
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 11 April 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
Did yall see this?This mind-melting curation of early live recordings by The Dream Syndicate is testimony from a witness: Los Angeles writer Matthew Specktor. He has created three live albums that carry you from the band’s first show, through “The Days of Wine and Roses,” and into a full live preview of “The Medicine Show.”
Download it from this page, which also incl. Specktor's notes (would like to read his forthcoming memoir, Always Crashing In The Same Car);https://saveyourface.posthaven.com/the-dream-syndicate-live-1982-1983
― dow, Sunday, 6 June 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
from their FB:
December 27, 1981……a memory from a Sunday evening, 40 years ago
Karl Precoda and I had been meeting regularly and jamming in my father’s basement in West LA over the course of the previous months, having met when he showed up to try out on bass for a band I was goofing around with at the time. “I don’t like this band very much but you’re really good—we should get together and play again sometime.”
There was an immediate chemistry between the two of us and, most of all, we were just having fun jamming on one chord for hours or playing loose versions of CCR covers or fooling around with some new songs I had been writing. I called up Kendra Smith, my best friend at the time and band mate from when we had both attending UC Davis in the years before. Like me, she had moved back to LA and had just recently started playing bass. I knew she’d dig what we were laying down and she enthusiastically joined our aimless duo and before long we found a drummer named Randy who I believe I met at the Rhino Records store where I was working at the time. Randy was game and enthusiastic but as much as an inspired but limited amateur as me and Kendra and Karl which was just fine since we had no ambition beyond making noise in the basement.
One day Kendra said, “I was talking to Dennis Duck at a party in Pasadena and he said he might like to play with us sometime.” Now, you have to understand that Dennis was a rock star as far as we were concerned. He was 6 years older than the rest of us and had already made a mark on the LA post punk scene, drumming with his band Human Hands. They’d put out records! They’d been played on the radio! I had seen them play live several times including a great show at the Whiskey a Go Go where they opened for the Feelies and the nervous energy of both bands coupled with a 103 degree fever I was battling from the flu to make for one of the most memorable shows I’ve seen to this day (and interestingly enough, the topic of conversation with me and Dennis and the Feelies’ Glenn Mercer at a show we played together just a few weeks ago in NYC at City Winery).
Anyway, I was a little incredulous that Dennis would want to play with us. But I was also pretty cocky and full of beans about our cool little raggedy combo and on Sunday, December 27, I called him up on a torrentially rainy afternoon (it DOES rain in Southern California sometimes) and said, “Hey, we’re getting together to jam in my dad’s basement tonight. Wanna come over?” Dennis lived an hour away in Pasadena, it was pouring and he would have to load up his own drums to make the trek but somehow I was doggedly persistent enough to convince him to come out. I guess I made a good case or maybe just wouldn’t shut up until he said yes. To this day, he’s surprised he agreed.
Anyway, Dennis arrived, drums dripping from the rain outside, set up and started playing with us in the basement . He had brought along a boom box to record the rehearsal. We didn’t try to impress him or even say much about what we were doing. We just did our thing and he played along. At the end, he packed up and I helped him to his car. “Thanks for coming out and playing with us,” I said—I am nothing if not polite—and he didn’t say all that much in return. I figured he was probably wondering why he bothered to come out and play with kids like us and pretty much assumed we wouldn’t be hearing from him again. A few days later I called Dennis to thank him for coming out and asked him if he had listened to the cassette he had recorded of the rehearsal. He answered, “I’ve listened to nothing ELSE since then. It’s one of the best things I’ve heard in a long time. I want to play with you guys.” And that was that. Three weeks later we made a quick four-song demo that became our first EP and only a few days after that we played our first show, opening for PIL spin-off band Brian Brain at Club Lingerie in Hollywood and we were off and running, only a handful of days after the first time we played together.
Here’s a link to that first rehearsal, copied directly from Dennis’ cassette that he still has all these years later.
http://traders.stevewynn.net/tape/5725
40 years ago. Hard to believe. Since then, Dennis and I have held the fort, first with Karl and Kendra and then, over the following years in the 80’s, with Dave Provost and Paul B. Cutler and Mark Walton and now for the last 10 years with the consistent lineup of me, Dennis, Mark, Jason Victor and Chris Cacavas. Our new album comes out next June with the first single being released in March. With any luck we’ll be out there on road for much of the latter part of the year.
But for now, happy 40th Birthday to the Dream Syndicate. Like many good and incendiary things, it all started in the basement.—Steve Wynn
― chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Monday, 27 December 2021 04:24 (two years ago) link
This is wonderful, thanks for the link.
― Maresn3st, Monday, 27 December 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
Steve Wynn lives in my neighborhood nowadays, I think, but I don't believe I have ever seen him.
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 December 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
As annotator and singer (incl. with his other music), he's always come across as a nice guy, a little too nice (only) to be an exciting front man, but can listen around him (one o those guys)The download link to this still works, and I still want to read Spektor's book, which has since been published:Did yall see this?This mind-melting curation of early live recordings by The Dream Syndicate is testimony from a witness: Los Angeles writer Matthew Specktor. He has created three live albums that carry you from the band’s first show, through “The Days of Wine and Roses,” and into a full live preview of “The Medicine Show.”
― dow, Sunday, June 6, 2021
― dow, Monday, 27 December 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
new out of the grey era collection coming out — https://usa.firerecords.com/products/the-dream-syndicate-what-can-i-say-no-regrets-out-of-the-grey-live-demos-outtakes-3xcd
a flawed album, but listening recently it sounded much better than I remember. the live show included here is pretty killer too.
― tylerw, Monday, 27 December 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
I appreciate how the first thing you hear on the 1981 rehearsal tape is a sloppy take on the "Back in Black" riff.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 00:54 (two years ago) link
"Paranoid" too, good to know that even the coolest bands noodle away at bad renditions of songs in rehearsal too.
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 28 December 2021 11:44 (two years ago) link
When I was in high school in the '80s there was a stretch of time when I would put the cassette of The Days of Wine and Roses in my boom box every night when I was getting in bed so I could fall asleep to it.
I just now bought the CD of that album for nostalgia reasons and listened to it again. Funnily enough, Track 1 "Tell Me When It's Over" sounds super-familiar, like I remember every note of it. But the rest of it, I feel as if I'm hearing it for the first time. I must have consistently fallen asleep during Track 1 back in high school. In fact I'm surprised how aggro the rest of the album is, starting even with Track 2. I misremembered the whole thing as sounding kind of dreamy and drowsy, but that's only one facet of it.
― Josefa, Thursday, 30 December 2021 23:27 (two years ago) link
Hahaha no, dreamy and drowsy it ain’t!
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 30 December 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
Oh, how sad:
https://thedreamsyndicate.bandcamp.com/album/the-days-of-wine-and-roses-expanded-edition
The Dream Syndicate reveal a newly expanded 40th Anniversary Edition release History Kinda Pales When It and You Are Aligned: The Days Of Wine and Roses (4xCD Expanded Edition). Collecting 54 songs from the original line-up, including 10 hard-to-find rarities and 31 never released recordings.An exceptional early ‘80s guitar-powered gem, remastered in full and includes a wealth of unreleased material. This newly expanded 4 CD collection includes tracks from main protagonist Steve Wynn’s earlier combo 15 Minutes, the debut EP, astounding cover renditions (Johnny Cash, Janis Joplin, The Who), recordings of the band’s first ever rehearsal, along with several visceral live concerts live concerts pre-dating the recording of their album.
An exceptional early ‘80s guitar-powered gem, remastered in full and includes a wealth of unreleased material. This newly expanded 4 CD collection includes tracks from main protagonist Steve Wynn’s earlier combo 15 Minutes, the debut EP, astounding cover renditions (Johnny Cash, Janis Joplin, The Who), recordings of the band’s first ever rehearsal, along with several visceral live concerts live concerts pre-dating the recording of their album.
Tracklist:
Disc One: Original Days of Wine and Rose album + Down There EPTell Me When It's OverDefinitely CleanThat's What You Always SayThen She RemembersHalloweenWhen You SmileUntil LatelyToo Little, Too LateThe Days of Wine and RosesSure Thing (Down There EP Version)That's What You Always Say (Down There EP Version)When You Smile (Down There EP Version)Some Kinda Itch (Down There EP Version) Disc Two: Even More Hot Rocks (no hits & out of phase cookies)That's What You Always Say (15 Minutes / 7 inch Single Version)Last Chance For You (15 Minutes / 7 inch Single Version)Too Little, Too Late (Rehearsal Version, 1981)Definitely Clean (Rehearsal Version, 1981)Is It Rolling, Bob? (Rehearsal Version, 1982)A Reason (Rehearsal Version, 1982)Like Mary (Rehearsal Version, 1982)Outside the Dream Syndicate (Rehearsal Version, 1982)Last Chance For You (Rehearsal Version, 1982)Unknown song with lyrics (Rehearsal Version, 1982)Some Kinda Itch (Live at KPFK, 1982)
Disc Three: Crackling Noises Ok - Do Not CorrectUntil Lately (Live at 1313 Mockingbird Lane, CA, 1982)Sure Thing (Live at 1313 Mockingbird Lane, CA, 1982)Then She Remembers (Live at 1313 Mockingbird Lane, CA, 1982)It’s Gonna Be Alright (Live at 1313 Mockingbird Lane, CA, 1982)Halloween (Live)That’s What You Always Say (Live)Sure Thing (Live)Definitely Clean (Live)Too Little, Too Late (Kendra vocal) (Live)When You Smile (Live)Some Kinda Itch (Live)That’s What You Always Say (Rehearsal Version)Road Runner (Rehearsal Version)Instrumental (Rehearsal Version)
Disc Four: Live'r Than You'll Ever BeTell Me When It’s Over (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)That’s What You Always Say (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)Sure Thing (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)Then She Remembers (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)Halloween (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)Definitely Clean (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)When You Smile (Live at the Country Club, Reseda CA, 1982)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 March 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
haha, how many times have they reissued this record? that said ... this looks awesome.
― tylerw, Thursday, 16 March 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
Every 10 years or so? The Rhino was a 20th Anniversary version, and iirc the other expanded one was for the 30th (and the OG CD was in the early '90s).
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 March 2023 16:23 (one year ago) link
I was at the 1313 Mockingbird Lane show, it was a goth-ish jewelry and clothing store in Pasadena.
― nickn, Thursday, 16 March 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link
With a name like that I'd hope so!
I only ever had the Rhino reissue with the EP and single track on it, so I'll be fine with this being my second copy of the album (and last, I hope).
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 March 2023 16:37 (one year ago) link
LOL, but yeah this looks amazing. I already have the original Slash CD and the Omnivore CD reissue. (Amusingly I was debating whether to get rid of one of them just a few days ago when I was reorganizing the shelves.)
― birdistheword, Thursday, 16 March 2023 22:36 (one year ago) link
Actually I just learned in this thread that Wynn had an offshoot band called 15 Minutes. When I got the Rhino CD many years ago I saw "(15 Minutes)" after two of the song titles and I thought I'd be in for a couple of long rave ups. Imagine my disappointment.
― nickn, Thursday, 16 March 2023 22:45 (one year ago) link
Steve Wynn and Dennis Duck from original band and Mark Walton from a later line-up, plus Vicki Peterson from The Bangles, are/were touring UK. And Matt Piucci from The Rain Parade supported
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 March 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZOmwpmq7mY
― tylerw, Friday, 17 March 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link