No thread on the Girl Talk album, surely some mistake

i dont think there is a right way to like girl talk & if there is, chances are it's not the way that whiney does

girl talk is american dubstep

american dubstep is not girltalk, though.

http://unpiano.com/music/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/girl_talk.jpg

WOO!

let me help you with your girl talk problems

man it's always sad to hear him drop a classic jay verse because it reminds me of how bad he is right now.

also 'tenderness' is a dope track I did not know about before this album and I am thankful for the rec.

I can't get it to download either. I took the advice of this thread and let it sit, but eventually it just keeps giving me "server took too long to respond errors".

i downloaded it from the link upthread

whiney explains himself

Night Ripper was like "lets make this AOR dross infectious by only playing the money shots and adding rap." The last two are like "lets make rap hilarious by playing it against Fine Young Cannibals"

does this make you whiney's sock

would like to hear whiney's thoughts on the new kanye too

like a whiney ouija

would like to hear whiney's thoughts on the new kanye too

― dayo, Monday, November 15, 2010 11:05 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

check twitter

Did you mean: whitney twitter

I feel like whiney has already put more time into this album than the girl talk dude has

What's the vocal track over Fugazi's "Waiting Room"? That one works really well.

― She Got the Shakes, Monday, November 15, 2010 4:54 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"rude boy" right?

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Monday, November 15, 2010 5:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

when i read this i thought it would be the other way around :(

Night Ripper was like "lets make this AOR dross infectious by only playing the money shots and adding rap." The last two are like "lets make rap hilarious by playing it against Fine Young Cannibals"

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

dunno if I agree w/ this. is there really a big diff between the sample lists for night ripper and feed the animals? the only thing's changed is the arrangements, as has been mentioned here and w/r/t to FTA he holds onto his samples for way longer. is he doing that to bring the lulz by playing rap over FYC? how about when he drops weezy over new order?

also pretty boy swag over windowlicker is genius #thesearesomeofmyfavoritethings

Yeah I still can't download it, either. Ah well.

expand the thread & use the link posted after today's revive

that's how i got it

Thanks, j0rdan.

What track does the grunt in the background in track six come from ("On and On")?

Would it be fair to say that the people on this thread who have issues with Girl Talk have a vested interest in hip-hop and how it's used and perceived? To the extent that it possibly clouds their ability to hear the albums primarily as sonic creations?

rockist about hip-hop, whodathunkit

i dunno if these ARE primarily sonic creations, the jokey social element is a big part of it surely

it's a thin line between clever and tee-hee and this guy has always walked all over it

I feel like a lot of the issues are based on the idea of a theoretical Girl Talk fan as an indie rock listener who is disdainful of or willfully uninformed about hip hop until Girl Talk makes it "acceptable" and/or "funny" by mixing hip hop with indie rock/classic rock, which seems like a very outdated concept.

OTM

unusual or unexpected juxtaposition can definitely create a humorous element in art but I think "jokey" implies a disdain or mockery on the part of the artist that I don't detect

jaymc and n/a both otm

right, exactly, sure. we can all agree that girl talk is shitty music on its own merits

Yeah, I'm not denying that he's exploiting, to some extent, the funny resonances that naturally result from mixing hip-hop and rock, but he strikes me as being very passionate about all sorts of pop music, and I think that's a big part of his widespread appeal as well.

In general I think most indie rock fans, as far as they can be generalized, are very open to hip hop. We're talking about people in their 20s-40s, the majority of which have been around hip hop (on the radio, on TV, etc) their entire lives and are actively interested in music and culture. It's not a foreign thing to them.

The furthest I would go would be to say that maybe to some Girl Talk fans, the hip hop elements are a shortcut for them to explore and hear new hip hop. Maybe they could work harder to seek out the original songs on their own, maybe they're not up to date on all the new songs, but I don't think they hear the hip hop elements of Girl Talk songs as a joke or something that's being made fun of.

part of it is an attempt to make hip-hop more palatable to those do like it by filling more of the sonic space that a lot of the music in its original form intentionally allows for. that's simply a matter of preference - how you might prefer hip-hop to sound musically, potentially. on that basis GT's problems for me revolve around his frequently corny or uninteresting choices (e.g. using classic US rock as a new backdrop for Luda) which i wouldn't wanna do myself - but there are still numerous occasions where he's doing just what i would but more effectively. the other problem is committing to the album format in this way, squeezing and condensing stuff to the point where's got to use enough vocal snippets to fill the space and that means resorting to tired old acapellas like skee-lo 'i wish' and whatnot.

think this album is great

+ if there's anything on this more annoying than will.i.am/nicki 'check it out' i'll be surprised tbh

to most folks, parties suck when they hear tunes they don't know.

The furthest I would go would be to say that maybe to some Girl Talk fans, the hip hop elements are a shortcut for them to explore and hear new hip hop.

i would like to just point out that i think this is pretty insane -- i don't think you have any ppl w/ decemberists posters on their walls going "i wonder what the other cali swag district singles are like" or "hey i should check out that first fabolous album!" because of good rap parts on girl talk albums

no but they'll be slightly better off when that scary caddy drives by and they recognize the rich boy blaring.

part of it is an attempt to make hip-hop more palatable to those do like it by filling more of the sonic space that a lot of the music in its original form intentionally allows for. that's simply a matter of preference - how you might prefer hip-hop to sound musically, potentially

"More palatable" feels strong, but I do think there's something to Girl Talk simply having fun exploring the potential of different contexts and backdrops for rapping. Especially when mainstream hip-hop's sonic aesthetic can be -- these days, at least -- fairly homogeneous.

i would like to just point out that i think this is pretty insane -- i don't think you have any ppl w/ decemberists posters on their walls going "i wonder what the other cali swag district singles are like" or "hey i should check out that first fabolous album!" because of good rap parts on girl talk albums

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:36 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm not necessarily saying they're going to go out and download every hip hop song that Girl Talk samples (though I don't really think that would be "insane" either, there's a reason that people go to the effort of dissecting all his songs to identify the samples). I'm just saying that there are probably plenty of indie/Girl Talk fans who enjoy hip hop but don't make an effort to follow every single new artist or hear every new single. For them, maybe the hip hop verses on the Girl Talk album help give them an idea of what's new and worth listening to - maybe he's serving as an assessor and editor for these listeners? That might be a stretch, but I'm going to stick with my main thesis that the vast majority of people who listen to Girl Talk, while not necessarily well-informed and up-to-date on all new hip hop, have respect for the music and are interested in it.

spoken as if u even looked up other cali swag district singles j0rdan :P

i listened to the second cali swag single, it sucks

I feel like a lot of the issues are based on the idea of a theoretical Girl Talk fan as an indie rock listener who is disdainful of or willfully uninformed about hip hop until Girl Talk makes it "acceptable" and/or "funny" by mixing hip hop with indie rock/classic rock, which seems like a very outdated concept.

I don't really have an opinion on Girl Talk or their fans but I don't think tendencies like the above become outdated simply because they're around and have been identified for a while. The form of this kind of attitude constantly reproduces itself, it's just the specific examples of music to which it applies that change.

At least based on my own experiences I'd say that if anything the dismissive attitude towards rap amongst broad swathes of listeners is stronger than it was 5 years ago.

unsurprisingly i agree w/ tim

i mean for christsake

Especially when mainstream hip-hop's sonic aesthetic can be -- these days, at least -- fairly homogeneous.

― jaymc, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

do u even rep for any mainstream/major label rap albums this year besides flockavelli?

xp Do you disagree with that, deej? It's not meant as a condemnation.

I just feel like 5 or 6 years ago, I could turn on the radio and hear a broader range of musical styles than I do now, from stark minimalist musique-concrete stuff like "Drop It Like It's Hot" to songs with big orchestral soul samples like "Hate It or Love It." Now you occasionally get something like "Empire State of Mind," with its glitzy showtune aesthetic, but otherwise I just a hear a lot of warmed-over electro. I dunno, like I said, I don't listen to a whole lot of hip-hop that's not on the radio, so I can't speak to the overall diversity of the genre, I just wish I was more enthusiastic about what's on B96.

And I even remember being excited when the electro aesthetic was ascendant a few years ago! I'm just kind of weary of it now and get nostalgic for R&B/hip-hop songs with jazzy guitar licks ca. 2003-04