Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i don't think anyone thinks those are actually freestyles?

haha yeah i dunno it just felt like m@tt was saying he was being really spontaneous and honest and just blurted that out

do this is "out"

the album version of runaway is 10 MINUTES LONG

"runaway" is like the quintessential Kanye song imo

what is out?

oh no, i mean, it seems like hardly anyone "really" freestyles nowadays, except maybe some battle dudes but even a lot of that seems premeditated.

it's kinda sad now cuz when dudes really freestyle it almost seems weak because we are so used to the writtens

xp clean retail album leaked

oh

i've long thought that ensuring that the initial leak of an album is the clean version or a shitty bitrate would go a long way to making some people actually buy it when it's released

it's 320 kbps tho

but yeah

all of the lights sounds so so huge and great mastered. but most of these songs are just pretty boring when it comes down to it, right?

for posterity

official liveblog rap album review thread

oh yeah if anyone hears about a dirty leak, bump this thread

huh this is a murphey lee song from 08, kinda nice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbAHFYN5SU&feature=channel

Dirty version has leaked

already on it holmes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTsD2ecOieA

Now you can hear some girl say "Yeezy had my pussy reupholstered." Charming.

*crosses off bucket list*

Audacious and masterful albeit exhausting enough that I think one listen is enough for me.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/filthy_rich_kanye_wests_royal.html

which one of you is KyleP

nabisco otm

i really like this album a lot but like i have no idea how it's gonna age -- i'm wary because i find 'graduation' pretty distasteful at this point even tho i dug it when it came out -- feel like as kanye gets worse as a rapper he has to step it up sonically, and i think he pretty much did that here, but maybe those surprises will eventually cease to be surprises & the album will kinda just feel like a dud

but that's down the road -- i'm bumping it now

this is pleasin meh

this is pleasin meh

this is pleasin meh

this

i like to read the rza having the last verse on "so appalled" as a sly commentary on the crapfest that is that song
rza is just so appalled by cyhi da prynce -- like, he can't even rap, he's just reduced to screaming about how ridiculous it is

i like the songs for the most part, but my first impression is that this thing is horribly sequenced.

i like that most of the singles/high profile leaks are clustered in the middle and the songs that are still 'new' (to me, at least) are around the beginning and end, but beyond that i can't tell from one listen if i like the sequencing. i'm not sure there's any sequencing that would make me like this more, at least.

This his second worst album. After five listens I find most of this lazy if not stupid lyrically (I'm very tired of an ostensibly straight multimillionaire still -- still! -- finding whores his ideal of femininity), and not particularly adventurous sonically. I love Cudi's bit on "Gorgeous" (he sounds menacing and attractive in a way Kanye can't mimic), find "Runaway" obnoxious-good, and the rest is okay to terrible.

most of these tracks sound like products of uninteresting superstar self-absorption.

nitsuh's review is A+

It's a good piece of rhetoric, yes, with which I don't agree at all. To my ears Kanye's gotten less interesting as he's gotten more opulent.

dude i agree w/ you but his review is hard to disagree w/ except as a matter of degree

with alfred 100% on this. i stanned for kanye hardcore from '02 to '05, but i've grown out of it as his music has gotten less surprising, more focused on his cult of personality than ideas or hooks.

i dont think you read the review then

The constant push for more sometimes makes the album feel bloated and indulgent, or like it’s too interested in turning hip-hop into moody art music; plenty of rap fans have watched West get more and more baroque, as his career goes on, and turned their attention back toward more elemental sounds.

dude i agree w/ you but his review is hard to disagree w/ except as a matter of degree

I love lots of reviews for their elegance and pithiness without agreeing with them. He's OTM about "Power" though.

i think theres no question that *most music fans* dont agree w/ us & he acknowledges our perspective so im not sure how u can 'disagree' w/ his articulation of the record

Yeah, but, deej, it's clear nabisco admires it FOR those qualities despite reservations, whereas I don't admire it and have lots of them.

xxpost

This -

The constant push for more sometimes makes the album feel bloated and indulgent, or like it’s too interested in turning hip-hop into moody art music;

- coincides with my feelings about Graduation, the last time I cared about him.

i dont think you read the review then

― whats goin on witchu iron mane (deej), Friday, November 12, 2010 9:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

was agreeing with alfred's post describing his take on the record, not re: the review. although the review, while it had good parts, i can't say resonated with me beyond just my opinion on the quality of the record.

haha status on fb:

J**** D**** after years of saying he was a genius who could compete with the likes of Radiohead, Kanye West has finally become just that. What an album.

to which I responded

didn't think he could make an album that sucks as hard as in rainbows but here we are...

promptly deleted. love trolling.

The increasing navel-gazing is generally a bummer, but I'm sort of in awe at how he's able to fold such a diverse set of samples and ideas into a pretty cohesive sound. If his lyrics were half as generous as his beats, he'd blow (more) minds. That said, I'm really enjoying the record overall - hell, the guy even makes Fergie sound good.

looooool xp

I love Cudi's bit on "Gorgeous" (he sounds menacing and attractive in a way Kanye can't mimic)

fuck outta here with this

this is like an audiophile test record, like people will play it to show off how awesome their system sounds but nobody will actually listen to this for pleasure

i think the sequencing is pretty fine, but the massive posse cuts kind of do throw off the flow of things -- like i think has pretty much been judicious and spot on w/ his guests dating all the way back to college dropout, but this one is like "oh hey another jay-z verse sandwiched in here", "oh hey it's the rza", nicki kinda steals the show there for a minute -- it's just a bit odd