― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
truer words etc. etc.
I actually like Shelley's style a lot. Deceptive simplicity. Not every situation calls for effing Neil Peart.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 17 April 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― ks, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― stew!, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:26 (eighteen years ago) link
might be true, but they done it a lot before, and "rather ripped" doesnt add changes to the formula.it has just become repetetive and banal.what once sounded revolutionery, now sound basic.as always..
― going through c, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Darren Skuja, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― going through c, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link
I always thought Thousand Leaves was totally tops, and very under-appreciated. Very arty. Kim was especially magnificent on that one. The first song has always played in my head, and sent shivers down my spine.
Agree about the REM thing. I HATE to admit that they somehow lost the plot, unlike Sonic Youth.
― Darren Skuja, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link
OK I'll shut up now. (I'm new here.)
― Darren Skuja, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Shelley's sense of time is very identifiable, he clearly has a "signature gallop" as Matthew says, and he has carved out his own style by blending both punk and industrial sensibilities with the cyclical approach of Liebezeit. Unfortunately he has often been shoved into the background on record, though Dirty and Thousand Leaves (among others) tell another story. Shelley also takes a beautiful approach to the noise sections, which requires musicality and a well-developed ear, not testosterone-fuelled drum chops (though he has chops, certainly).
Perhaps the most tantalizing bootleg of SY that I ever saw was just after Shelley joined the band, at a time when they were playing mostly Bad Moon Rising tracks. To hear that industrial, damaged-guitar caterwaul underpinned by Shelley's groove and rhythmic fragments was truly thrilling.
― tate (Tate), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link
but, i really think that (and i loathe to say it) SY have seemingly toned down. not that it's a bad thing, to me at least.
there's only so long you can do the squealie dealie and not get A.bored B. annoyed with it. you gotta keep changing, which i think is what they've done to varying degree of success.
as far as different production- what Butch Vig again? Steve Albini?
80's gtr sounds- can they even do that anymore? didn't they get all their gear heisted a few years back??? including THE gtrs used on those 80's albums?
shelley's solid. no need for that sorta change.now, kim g. on the other hand, less=more for her.
― eedd, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― stew!, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link
i hadn't heard that they recovered some of the gtrs! that's cool!! someone had told me they found some posted on Ebay or something to that affect...
so long as they got back the ones they played Schizophrenia+Catholic Block, i'll be pleased.
― eedd, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
Tim, I expect you to acquire a t-shirt that says this sometime in the near future.
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― yer mam! (yer mam!), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link
What is the cd duration?
Slightly over 51 minutes.
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link
yer mam, do check out St and Nurse. Both are excellent.
Sonic Youth have matured, thank god. What do people want, Mick Effing Jagger?
They never forgot what makes for great records. They are the coolest band ever, for being so great 25 years later.
This thread is great. I'll wait till June 13. i'm old fashioned that way. In the meantime, I'm very much enjoying the reviews, and anticipating! (Same with new Flaming Lips. Seems to be love or hate. I'll pick it up tomorrow, I think.)
― Darren Skuja, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link
everyone must revolutionize everything at all times or else stop drawing breath. duh.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― mono tony, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― mono tony, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:46 (eighteen years ago) link
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― mono tony, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― mono tony, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― mono tony, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― xx@ww, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link
for my money steve shelley really came into his own around the time of those SY instrumental albums and their motorik-esque groove has benefitted ever since. and my favorite drummers of all time are the two tonys -- thompson and williams.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 09:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
If I am being fingered for having initiated the discussion it was only because your comment that Shelley was a "fantastic drummer" struck me as maybe being a bit of an exaggeration. (And my only claim in that post was I'd never noticed him being particularly "fantastic.")
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), April 18th, 2006.
are you talking about that syncopated tom-tom-tom-tom-tom-tom-hi hat thwack groove he gets into?yeah: killer. one of the coolest rock beats ever.
― kevinod, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Call me crazy, but this is the album they should have released after "Daydream Nation" (first album on a major label, "alt rock" breaking through on the radio, why not?)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 20 April 2006 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link
Matos, thanks for the tip on the meters' funk, it's anything but rigid.
― mono tony, Thursday, 20 April 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― mono tony, Thursday, 20 April 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Shelley sometimes reminds me a bit of Anton Fier with the bu-bu-ba, bu-bu-ba thing, which might be part of why a lot of recent SY reminds me of Chatham + vocals, which never seems quite as compelling as turning Branca into pop. I'm thinking you could probably sneak Die Donnergotter past a lot of casual SY fans these days, something that couldn't have happened in '87.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 20 April 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago) link
!
(Surely not as spazzed out?)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Macaroni Face, Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link