the album's definitely a LOT denser than she's done before
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
You come out the other side of that song really exhausted and tore up but softly euphoric. It's a motherfucker.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, I was talking about "Dear John"
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Ann Powers on "Mean" -- and Taylor in general:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2010/10/taylor-swift-lessons-in-being-mean.html
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 October 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Also "Mean" is fucking awesome in the context of the record. Do you still dislike it, lex?
yes that powers piece is really great
do people seriously think "mean" is about rock critics though? i mean really. she couldn't situate it more obviously in her pre-fame days. hey egomaniac critics, you're almost certainly not the only people to have told taylor swift she can't sing in her life.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
and a second listen to "mean" didn't warm me up to it, it's just so gauche
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh my god "Enchanted."
Hard not to read synth-pop into the keyboard work here but it sure kills me.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Mean is a pretty perfect fit in this context and sound-wise it breaks up a couple of heavier tunes really nicely. I think it's too successfully humorous to be gauche.
― abcfsk, Friday, 22 October 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
this album feels a lot less country than her previous work.
― prolego, Friday, 22 October 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
All right, this record's a little long. Which is fine, I'm just emotionally spent after every other song.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Friday, 22 October 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Love how effectively she uses breaks, pauses in 'Last Kiss'. Whatever your position, you can't say this is a Fearless retread, that she makes use of the same tricks.
― abcfsk, Friday, 22 October 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
so which of these songs are the terrible non-US ones? "mine" & what else?
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 07:08 (thirteen years ago) link
back to december & the story of us.
so i guess they want to make them the singles.
― prolego, Saturday, 23 October 2010 07:18 (thirteen years ago) link
'Dear John' is on some next level.
OFL, this is her best album.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 October 2010 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought of the Corrs' great "Breathless" upon hearing the intro to "The Story of Us."
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 October 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree that "Dear John" is a pretty great point of maturation, but the lyrics are incredibly cliché.
"Mean" is the standout for me after a couple listens--glad to hear her stick to her roots when she could have made a Kelly Clarkson album. Without a doubt, this is an excellent record, and maybe her best. Certainly not a disappointment.
― Indexed, Saturday, 23 October 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"sparks fly" is a banger
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
firing this up now, kinda excited
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 October 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
mine still suckssparks fly is niceBack to December is great!
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 October 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
wow back to december is really great
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 October 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
so, so in love with "enchanted".
― prolego, Saturday, 23 October 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
swag me out
http://i54.tinypic.com/qyzsyc.jpg
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
fucker! How'd you get it?
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 October 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, i don't actually have it :(
that's my record store employee friend's copy
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 October 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Took me a while to notice the banjos in 'Story of Us'.
― abcfsk, Saturday, 23 October 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
they think people outside the US are unable to listen to banjos
Bangos are not sexy.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 23 October 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
record of the year! luv this 4eva!!
― mo radalj, Saturday, 23 October 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"Back to December" and "Dear John" are both jawdropping, perhaps her best attempts at ballads yet (the latter in particular being like a much much better version of "White Horse" - as a general rule she is so much better working in specifics rather than archetypes).
"Back to December" in particular though is just... A++ songwriting. Like (and it may be counter-productive to break it down) the shift between "I go back to December..." and "I'd go back to December" is so subtle and yet so important to the narrative arc of the song, and she's so good at picking up on things like that.
― Tim F, Sunday, 24 October 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
dear john is fucking DEVASTATING
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Been writing essays and haven't found time to listen to this properly yet, but on background listens...initial thought:
Back to December took some time to hit me, but once it did it was completely devastating. Dear John is a tad overlong, but equally affecting. The Story of Us is wonderful - all backbeat and sass, and Better Than Revenge....wow. Didn't know she had it in her. It's like some Kelly Clarkson 'My December' shit but with a proper dancebeat and that random hip hop drum bit at 2:20 or so.
― The SBurbs (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
has the us version leaked yet?
― dayo, Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
the deluxe has the US versions on it
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, think I'll just wait a day for the retail.torrent
― dayo, Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/arts/music/24swift.html?pagewanted=all
― J0rdan S., Monday, 25 October 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I love this.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
but Caramanica's insistence on autobiographical parallels is bullshit.
― prolego, Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― Moreno, Monday, 25 October 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
All those songs with one-word titles in the back half blur together.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The back half is surprisingly intense! Rock opera-ish.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"Better Than Revenge" is terrific though.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Enchanted" and "Haunted" are my two favorite songs on the record!
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
on a couple of listens, the ones that really impressed me were the last two - pretty incredible double-header to close the album with.
("back to december" was already a favourite, love that track)
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Better Than Revenge" is like Paramore (or second album Ashlee) rewriting Madonna's "Thief of Hearts". Love it, but def. was not expecting it!
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"no amount of vintage dresses gives you dignity" <3
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Which ones? The deluxe edition is replete with songs.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Assume lex means "last kiss" and "long live" - both great, I was dubious of "long live" at first but loved it by the end.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I like "Last Kiss" a lot. I'm impressed by how she sustains these five-minute-plus song lengths.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the ones that close the album proper - haven't actually got round to the bonus tracks yet. the only ones i'm actively dubious about are "mean" and "never grow up". i'm hungover and have no further thoughts about anything though.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Mixed review from Slant, perhaps raises some interesting points:
She often comes up with a great, revealing line, but there isn't much in the way of emotional depth or maturity to these songs. If there's something of the modern "No, I'm right, and you should just shut up" zeitgeist reflected in Swift's perspective, it's also easy to wish that a writer of her obvious smarts delved into more substance and developed a more fully informed take on matters of life and love. To that end, it's also troubling that Swift's songs still uniformly build an artistic persona that is defined exclusively by her relationships with men. A song like "Enchanted" or "Speak Now" may work brilliantly on its own merits, but over the course of three albums, Swift hasn't shown that she can write authoritatively about anything other than how great boys are or how much boys suck or how dreams about boys will take her somewhere better than where she is now.
To that end, it's also troubling that Swift's songs still uniformly build an artistic persona that is defined exclusively by her relationships with men. A song like "Enchanted" or "Speak Now" may work brilliantly on its own merits, but over the course of three albums, Swift hasn't shown that she can write authoritatively about anything other than how great boys are or how much boys suck or how dreams about boys will take her somewhere better than where she is now.
― prolego, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link