typically high-quality ILM musical analysis
― n/a, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Another highly influential band, Slayer, formed in 1981. Although the band is a thrash metal act, Slayer's music is more violent than thrash metal contemporaries Metallica, Megadeth or Exodus.[31] Slayer is regarded as one of the most sinister thrash metal bands from the early 1980s[32] and are considered the ancestors of and directly responsible for the rise of death metal.[33][34] Their breakneck speed and instrumental prowess combined with lyrics about death, violence, war and Satanism won Slayer a rabid cult following.[35] According to Allmusic, their third album, Reign in Blood, inspired the entire death metal genre[36] and had a big impact on the genre leaders: Death, Obituary and Morbid Angel.[31]
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
thank you tuomas
― and what, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link
thank you n/a I aim to please
― Euler, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
German Music Charts July 11, 2008
1 1 "All Summer Long" Kid Rock 2 2 "Helden 2008" Revolverheld 3 3 "Feel The Rush" Shaggy / Trix & Flix 4 5 "Seven Nation Army" White Stripes, The 5 4 "So Soll Es Bleiben" Ich + Ich 6 9 "Better In Time" Lewis, Leona 7 8 "Take A Bow" Rihanna 8 7 "Mercy" Duffy 9 6 "Bringt Ihn Heim" Pocher, Oliver 10 10 "Love Is You" Godoj, Thomas 11 - "We Made It" Rhymes, Busta Feat.linkin Park 12 11 "Fieber" Stuermer, Christina 13 13 "4 Minutes" Madonna 14 12 "Summer Love" Medlock, Mark 15 19 "No Air" Sparks, Jordin 16 36 "Can You Hear Me" Enrique Iglesias 17 15 "Wenn Nicht Jetzt Wann Dann" Hoehner 18 18 "Valerie" Ronson, Mark Feat. Winehouse 19 14 "Strike The Match" Monrose 20 20 "I'm Yours" Mraz, Jason
One White Stripes song. No Slayer. Indie it is.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Metal is an album genre.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I listening to the "L.E.S. Artistes" remixes and they're this weird mixture of badass and unfulfilling. It's probably not a good thing that my favorite track on the EP is the instrumental of the original track, right?
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I like her record. "Creator" and maybe "Unstoppable" are the only songs that resemble MIA though. She's much more new-wave than whatever MIA is.
― Inertia_90, Friday, 15 August 2008 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link
there's more pre-dancehall reggae in the mix, too
― The Reverend, Friday, 15 August 2008 02:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Ah. Well, apart from Bob Marley, I'm not familiar with reggae, so I wouldn't know.
― Inertia_90, Friday, 15 August 2008 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I think I need to clean out my ears or maybe I have another record cause I hear very little MIA in her Santogold. Hmmmmm
― stevienixed, Saturday, 16 August 2008 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link
lol she is opening act on coldplay tour
― and what, Saturday, 16 August 2008 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link
well theyve used some of the same producers and have similar fan bases and aesthetics - their vocals dont really sound alike tho
― ice crӕm, Saturday, 16 August 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I really wanted to hate her and was really resistant based on some notion that she was an M.I.A. clone and I needed to stay loyal or something. But not only is Creator the only track that is vaguely M.I.A.ish, but it is also not really up there with the best stuff on the album. L.E.S.artistes is like the Police, but with a spacier, bassier feel.
― I know, right?, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Dig that yelp, too.
― I know, right?, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I was sure Lights Out being in the beer commercials would wear it out for me eventually, but it's only making me like it more when I hear it every 20 minutes.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 10 September 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
She has music in three separate commercials now!
― lol (HI DERE), Wednesday, 10 September 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I never complain about this type of shit, but I am v. sick of her Moby tactic.
― The Referee (The Reverend), Wednesday, 10 September 2008 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link
lights out is incredibly good
― Patrick Leahy (deej), Wednesday, 10 September 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Top Ranking is pretty choice, huh.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah it's good stuff.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 2 October 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
"Get It Up" is fucking awesome. I want to listen to this one song on repeat forever.
― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Monday, 8 December 2008 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm late to this one, but i'm enjoying "Lights Out" best - interesting vocal choice there. Yes she sounds like Gwen Stef and MIA, but it's much more informed by early 80s New York than anything else which is never a bad thing. Do prefer the punky stuff better.
― the next grozart, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I am v. sick of her Moby tactic.
which would be?
― akm, Sunday, 21 December 2008 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
how come no one stands up for "I'm a lady" on this thread?
― akm, Sunday, 21 December 2008 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/393802_musicsellingout29.html
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sympathetic to Pareles' gripe, but he doesn't seem to realize it's just that, a gripe.
Unlike non-professional music fans who might immerse themselves in a song or album they love, music licensers want a track that's attractive but not too distracting -- just a tease, not a revelation.
So are Beatles songs "a tease, not a revelation?" Cuz I've heard them in plenty of ads. Lots of canonical songs from previous decades wind up in ads, why should we assume that songs from today in ads can't hold a similar stand-alone weight? And while I'm happy to say Moby's Play is some background pleasant-at-best, it won Pazz'n'Jop that year, so a bunch of people must have thought it was revelation.
It's almost enough to make someone miss those former villains of philistinism, the recording companies. Labels had an interest in music that would hold listeners on its own terms; selling it was their meal ticket. Labels, and to some extent radio stations and music television, also had a stake in nurturing stars who would keep fans returning to find out what happened next, allowing their catalogs to be perennially rediscovered.
I wonder if Pareles, in his long-ass career, has ever bitched about record labels ignoring idiosyncratic artists and spending their money promoting faceless schmaltz factories that sound more pleasing on the radio.
Now there's an incentive for a song to have only 30 seconds of good stuff. It's already happening: Chris Brown's hit "Forever" is wrapped around a jingle for chewing gum.
While the incentive was for Chris to incorporate a jingle, if you didn't know the Doublemint tag, you wouldn't know which part of the song was "the good stuff." It's not a good example of a song that's only good for 30 seconds, like say, "Who Let The Dogs Out?"
Put on a song with no commercial attachments. Turn it up. Close your eyes. And listen.
And if you don't watch ads, you won't know which songs have them.
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 14:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, since he called them "former villains of philistinism," maybe he's suggesting that advertisers are going to bring about a stream of bands worse than Toto.
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
O noes, we've lost another critic. And Toto had a buch of awesome singles dammit.
― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 4 January 2009 15:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Now we'll have to settle for bands that are only as good as Toto...for 30 seconds! For the rest of the song they'll just kinda stand around wondering what to do.
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 15:34 (fifteen years ago) link
But how soon will it be before musicians, perhaps unconsciously, start conceiving songs as potential television spots, or energy jolts during video games, or ringtones?
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, Pareles should be old enough to realize that anybody who says "I break the rules!" in a chorus probably isn't much of an "insurgent, quirky rule-breaker" at heart.
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I loved the Santogold album until I realized that. Actually it might have been the song where she told Barack Obama to fuck himself first, but yeah, real punks don't wear black so ostentatiously, or vomit gold either.
― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 4 January 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
this seems otm though, and would explain so much popular modern music:
"That creates pressure, subtle but genuine, for music to recede: to embrace the element of vacancy that makes a good soundtrack so unobtrusive, to edit a lyric to be less specific or private, to leave blanks for the image or message the music now serves. "
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link
avant-rockers Battles are heard accompanying an Australian vodka ad.
The question is: What happens to the music itself when the way to build a career shifts from recording songs that ordinary listeners want to buy to making music that marketers can use?
Yeah I'm pretty sure that their ability to sell vodka in australia is really going to figure in to what battles does in the future. Even if there is a single example of the downstream effect he is describing (where music "recedes") good luck actually finding it.
This is just gauzy memory-filter nonsense.
― the ref (ed hochuli ha ha) (call all destroyer), Sunday, 4 January 2009 17:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually it might have been the song where she told Barack Obama to fuck himself first
hang on which one is this? i have literally paid no attn to santogold's lyrics other than 'l.e.s. artistes' and the line "brooklyn we go hard" - she doesn't enunciate at all - it's amazing that i like her songs as much as i do without a lyrical entry point. the 'l.e.s. artistes' lyrics are really great, though.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, in the future music will be nothing but generalities and repetitive, obvious hooks! OMG POP HOW WILL I RECOGNIZE YOU?
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
in the sense that artists are prob now thinking of what advertisers will like in the same way they once thought of what radio playlisters would like.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Labels, and to some extent radio stations and music television, also had a stake in nurturing stars who would keep fans returning to find out what happened next, allowing their catalogs to be perennially rediscovered.
This is especially LOL, as in the '80s the bitch would be that labels were nurturing stars instead of supporting artists. Now no one's going to mind the factory! They'll just take your jingle and leave you to your own devices! Gasp!
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
which is the latest fashions, obvious hooks and unchallenging lyrical sentiments in both cases.
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost to Lex: Maybe I (willfully) misinterpreted the chorus "We think you're a joke / Shove your hope where it don't shine" but it seemed pretty pointed to me.
― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
hmm i've just looked at the lyrics to 'shove it' for the first time and the entire song makes literally not a jot of sense - obama doesn't own the word "hope", and nothing else in the song suggests that she's referring to him, or to anything much. she's never expressed any political views as such, has she? i suspect she's a bit of a div so i've never paid attention to what she says too much.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Brooklyn we go hardWe on the look for the advantage, we work hardAnd if we seem to rough it up a bitWe broke but we rich at heartPull ourselves up now we won't chokeIt's our time, put the lights on usWar tactics they make me sickreel your heart in run away with itSmile in your face, undermine your backgot guns for the strength they lackSo if you know another wayyou can't look the other wayif you know another way,tell them so right to their faceWe think you're a jokeShove your hope where it don't shine (4x)I pay for what's calledeccentricity and my will to evolveI hear them all saythat I got heartbut not everything that it takesTaint my mind but not my soulTell you I got fireI wont sell it for no payrollLet 'em hold me downI know if I know another wayI can't look the other wayI know another wayI'll tell them so right to their faceWe think you're a jokeShove your hope where it don't shine (4x)
War tactics they make me sickreel your heart in run away with itSmile in your face, undermine your backgot guns for the strength they lackSo if you know another wayyou can't look the other wayif you know another way,tell them so right to their face
We think you're a jokeShove your hope where it don't shine (4x)
I pay for what's calledeccentricity and my will to evolveI hear them all saythat I got heartbut not everything that it takes
Taint my mind but not my soulTell you I got fireI wont sell it for no payrollLet 'em hold me downI know if I know another wayI can't look the other wayI know another wayI'll tell them so right to their face
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
This reads like a generic "fight the system" song; the only link to Obama is the word "hope".
― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
if anything the nameless "they" of the song seems to be the same "they" of 'l.e.s. artistes' and half the album, ie the people santogold would have encountered as an a&r in the entertainment industry around her every day.
― lex pretend, Sunday, 4 January 2009 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought "a&r" was "they"
― da croupier, Sunday, 4 January 2009 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link
love the album but her borough repping is on some http://www.defendbrooklyn.com/new_store/bk_black_t_drunkgirl.jpg level shit
― ❤¯\㋡/¯❤ (ice cr?m), Sunday, 4 January 2009 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah but didn't "hope" didn't signify "obama" this year? that's only my take, after all.
might have liked it anyway if it wasn't for all the other stuff i didn't like.
― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 4 January 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Album came out in late April. No idea when it was actually completed though, but not hard to believe the reference had little to do with Obama.
This interview from February indicates she was an Obama supporter btw.
http://blog.rhapsody.com/2008/02/super-tuesday-s.html
― Alex in SF, Sunday, 4 January 2009 21:22 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah okay doesn't matter though
― Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 4 January 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link