classic Wu-Tang solo run poll

im raedy

Deej to be fair moonship doesn't (or didn't) always get a free pass, he's just been winning his battles recently b/c twinkly home listening dubstep is so hard to defend well. But from memory the 2004 thread where he said electro-house was the worst thing ever looked a bit like this one. It's the price of the game.

It's a shame that the thread turned into such a boring post-mortem of itself because the central issue ('to what extent has the character of the rapper changed over time, and how, etc.') is very interesting and if deej and j0hn weren't concentrating on lobbing bombs at each other they'd probably find more common ground. No-one would seriously argue that every aspect of performance has always existed in static qualities any more than they would in a full-blown theory of progress (or at least i hope not), so I think there's a discussion to be had here. Another day though, maybe.

It's a shame that the thread turned into such a boring post-mortem of itself because the central issue ('to what extent has the character of the rapper changed over time, and how, etc.') is very interesting and if deej and j0hn weren't concentrating on lobbing bombs at each other they'd probably find more common ground.

you know, no one's stopping you from actually starting a thread about this issue that isn't remotely central to the thread topic

good thing you've kept this thread from going off topic so far dude

hey i'm not the one bemoaning where it wound up, just saying that the issue only came up because you dropped some dare-i-say clumsily worded challops about GZA being proto-grocery bag, not because someone was trying to explore how rap has evolved.

hair splitting diff there really

alright, i'll bite - how can something be "proto-grocery bag" and fail to anticipate modern trends at same time?

lol i asked that and was ignored

the answer is that young money doesn't count afaict

http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n13/n65616.jpg

NO LEPER

the same reason young money sounds 'hella corny' to me is the reason gza sounds 'corny' in specific instances related to clock radios.
its a nirvana -> puddle of mudd type thing ... yeah it anticipated **something** but it sure wasnt something cool

thing is, then you're not saying "modern rap is about personas and i like the stuff that anticipated modern rap". you're saying "good modern rap is about personas and i like the stuff that anticipated good modern rap." which is fine to believe, but kinda totally different from the first statement

you've been separating this stuff into objective observations ("rap has become about personas") and subjective ones ("and that's what I like!"), but if you ignore young money as being corny even if they're totally successful and influencing rap (however negatively in your estimation), then it's really all subjective observations.

ok.

lol jk but seriously dude the young money thing is pretty much a recent gimmick & doesnt really represent most of what rap's been for the last decade +, since pac basically

i mean other than jada & fab who i kinda addressed already

the 'harder' fab sounds the less engaging he is basically
jada is one of the few who seems to balance punchline style/ street appeal in a way that doesnt teeter one way or the other

lol jk but seriously dude the young money thing is pretty much a recent gimmick & doesnt really represent most of what rap's been for the last decade +, since pac basically

if you're praising artists for anticipating modern trends, while dismissing a new one as a "recent gimmick" because most of rap's been in the same place for a decade (since pac, really), your tastes may not be that of-the-moment

i dont really feel like arguing abt this right now dude. shitty workweek is over. join us in the drunken waka flock thred

thanks but i'm sober and enjoying Half Japanese

...RIVERS

gza > rae (by the slightest margin) > odb > ghost > meth

this was fucking difficult.

xpost, that was awesome

ol' wrink p always brewing up some marvellous isht in the thread revive kitchen

edward iii's man against the world gif is off tm because "man" is STRAIGHT CLOCKING FOOLS, but it was a joy to watch several times and I thank the thread for bringing it to me

lols at croupier's Young Money line there....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ROJEXO5l4

why is this thread so long

it's 2010

because wu tang is forever, duh!

because very little of it is about Wu Tang

why is this thread so long

it's 2010

― Pitchfork.com, a music recommendation Web site (The Brainwasher)

it's ILM

Q: why is this thread so long?

A: it's 2010

hahaha

I couldn't BELIEVE Pitchfork's review of the Run-DMC reissues. Slagging the fucking blueprint drafters for sounding "dated." Against who? The complicated flow of Young Jeezy? Like Fork would say the same thing about the Ramones or the Stooges? Criminy. The reissues are immaculate and sound as timeless and indispenible as ever.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, October 28, 2005 11:44 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah for fucking real.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, October 28, 2005 11:53 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

anyone doesnt vote rae is soft, anyone votes gza is a herb

herb life

whiney he never actually used the word 'dated' in the piece & his dismissive attitude towards that style of rap we both agreed was wrong ...

but whatever

so why did you agree with him

1) The group was hugely important in changing rap and making it an industry force, but you can't really say they had much influence on the way it sounds today.

i was probably disagreeing w/ this, this point seems the most incorrect to me today tho:

2) and it's a strong and forceful time capsule from an era when rap's hardness came from its sound rather than its lyrics or its' practitioners' biographies.

like obv there was a change wherein the bios & lyrics became more important (in fact thats p much what i was arguing) but the aesthetics as a whole & 'sound' of it are still paramount. There are hundreds of wannabe rappers out there whove been on the corner but theres a reason waka or whoever is where he is now & its certainly about the sound. in fact, i would argue that prior even to NWA RunDMC were an example of this (which is why point 1) above is also still kinda rong)

it's also pretty stupid because in the decade-or-so before Run DMC came along with the "I go to St. John's University" line, your neighborhood status was actually pretty fucking important

Listening to Ghostface, "Wildflower" just ended and I have spent the past 4 minutes like this: O_O

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

in less than 24 hours we will know the answer to this most important of all questions.

Is it the father-less style of ODB?

The mad methods of Johnny Blaze?

The mafia dream/nightmare of Raekwon?

The capitalist tour de force of Tony Starks?

The enigmatic world of the Genius?

The capitalist tour de force of Tony Starks?

wanna register an objection to this

do tell

For me it's GZA > Method Man > Ghostface Killah > ODB > Raekwon. Just never could get into Cuban Linx.

I mean given that Ghost is the guy who packs the most action into the most compact phrases "capitalist tour de force" is kinda missing the point imo...Ghostface is a damn poet imo

The capitalist tour de force ofthe Greatest MC of All Time, Tony Starks?

fixed

For me it's GZA > Method Man > Ghostface Killah > ODB > Raekwon. Just never could get into Cuban Linx.

― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, November 8, 2010 9:34 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sb

yeah wtf. cuban linx is the greatest hiphop album of all time.

been listening to liquid swords all week tho and wow this also amazing (and maybe up there with cuban linx/supreme as actually being better than 36 chambers?). First rule, anyone who schemes on the gold in Syria I want they small intestines ripped from the interior

I was also listening to Tical and... it really doesn't stand up to the other *classic* wu records. hell its not even as enjoyable as Tical 2000 which with heavy editing is dope as hell. You got all this mythology coming out and Tical just seems sooooooooooo unfocused compared. I'd personally put the first RZA or 'Uncontrolled Substance' - the most underrated Wu - over it.