classic Wu-Tang solo run poll

i mean, when it comes to listening to gza i DO have some negative associations w/ how it sounds 'dated' ... so obv it can mean that & in my case does. that doesnt mean u cant appreciate it while admitting it sounds v of its time

& my last post unintentionally addresses the xp

oh my god, deej, you have officially entered a level of retardedness that it's not even fun to argue with you and now just sad

whiney isnt chillwave supposed to sound 'dated'? like thats part of the appeal? same w/ nu disco? 'dated' is a qualitative thing

the word you're looking for here is "retro"

ret·ro
adj \ˈre-(ˌ)trō\
Definition of RETRO
: relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past : fashionably nostalgic or old-fashioned

"when i say this GZA song is corny, i mean it's good like delicious candy corn!"

candy corn is not delicious

deej, man to man, one thing you need to learn to do in arguments is go "maybe you're right"

three words that would go a long way toward lowering your b/p

and your s/b

candy corn is fucking awesome in small doses

deej is on some

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aa2umu1vILI/0.jpg

maybe if you shoot it up, ingesting by mouth not recommended

xp

i dont think you guys are right!! do i need to repost this AGAIN

i think a basic misunderstanding here:

1. i think, objectively, in a general sense, rapping has shifted towards more nuanced & personality-driven personas than it was in the run dmc era, or the juice crew era that gza came out of.

2. i think SUBJECTIVELY, that as a result i tend to prefer artists who at some level anticipated these changes & had fully developed personas -- by 'fully developed,' i mean that everything-- flow, lyrics, personality, vocal tone, style of delivery, conceptual approach to songs & albums, etc -- fit with who they 'were'. m@tt knows what im getting at here, even if his bias is more towards growing up when this stuff was brand new & therefor repping for it harder than i would.

man there is actually a good discussion here in between all the fighting and it kinda bums me out

deej honestly man i respect your opinions abt music a lot but i do thing lately you seem to feel like ostracized and this is sort of resulting in you acting like a chain chomp from mario bros when you feel attacked.

XD

aka,

1] objectively, gza's style is dated
2] subjectively, that sounds 'corny' to me -- not that gza is corny overall, but relative to raekwon

"personality-driven personas"

xp So to summarise Rae > GZA

i think a basic misunderstanding here:

1. i think, objectively, in a general sense, rapping has shifted towards more nuanced & personality-driven personas than it was in the run dmc era, or the juice crew era that gza came out of.

2. i think SUBJECTIVELY, that as a result i tend to prefer artists who at some level anticipated these changes & had fully developed personas -- by 'fully developed,' i mean that everything-- flow, lyrics, personality, vocal tone, style of delivery, conceptual approach to songs & albums, etc -- fit with who they 'were'. m@tt knows what im getting at here, even if his bias is more towards growing up when this stuff was brand new & therefor repping for it harder than i would.

I think if you'd said this from the get-go as opposed to a dense, dismissive seemingly inflammatory write-off about how "Liquid Swords" is corny, few people would have blinked.

("dense" as in "compacted", not "stupid", before you accuse me again of being out to get you)

dont think you guys are right!!

but it's like you're constitutionally incapable of thinking "maybe I've developed this whole theory without really giving a hard enough look at all the evidence"

like say your theory of personae having become a more dominant quality: shock g had an alter ego. a fully-sketched character with whom the "shock g" persona argued, an invasive interlocutor whose intrusions & observations & presence enriched the texts of the songs to a point of such hilarity that they were like infinitely self-reproducing scenes. one mc, two distinct personalities, both well-drawn. so your argument that "persona" was less in-play than now is refuted handily by this example...and by War and Peace...and a bunch of other things that have been amply cited. If you went, well, you're right, I wasn't thinking of that & would have to take that into account before further defending my thesis, that'd be, y'know, swell, but you're like, no fuckin' way, I'm deej & I think about this shit all day so I must be right. which is why people come down on you. you know how you can take my word for this? I am the same kinda bullheaded dude.

gotta say, deej on some savant-level trolling itt

but it's like you're constitutionally incapable of thinking "maybe I've developed this whole theory without really giving a hard enough look at all the evidence"

i gotta say, ive definitely thought this through & im kind of offended at the implication otherwise

I think if you'd said this from the get-go as opposed to a dense, dismissive seemingly inflammatory write-off about how "Liquid Swords" is corny, few people would have blinked.

― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest

you realize that was a quote from halfway up the thread right

this is eerily reminiscent of when deej was all "hey both readings of 'sleep that's where i'm a viking' are potentially valid"

xp You do realize that you've been tediously arguing the same point for the remainder of the thread, right?

"personality-driven personas"

― da croupier, Friday, October 15, 2010 2:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kinda hard to argue w/ like 8 difft people making 8 different points & keep things exceptionally well verbalized but obv i meant 'ppl w/ strong, obvious personas' vs. detached, formalist ones

xp You do realize that you've been tediously arguing the same point for the remainder of the thread, right?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:37 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i wouldnt have to repeat myself if ppl actually read it thru the first time

deej

did you read the rest of the graf or just the part you could take offense at

i wouldnt have to repeat myself if ppl actually read it thru the first time

EVERYONE IS READING YOU THROUGH THE FIRST TIME, THEY JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE WRONG. DUDE.

the word you're looking for here is "retro"

ret·ro
adj \ˈre-(ˌ)trō\
Definition of RETRO
: relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past : fashionably nostalgic or old-fashioned

― outdated dbpoweramp codecs I have loved (Edward III), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:23 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

'retro' styles are based on 'dated' archetypes duh

oh my god

xxxxp you wouldn't have to repeat yourself if you weren't so tiresomely annoying about making sure that everyone else understands every nuance of your original point.

Also is the SLEEP THAT'S WHERE I AM A VIKING thread funny or depressing? Debating whether or not I want to read it now?

relationship does not imply equivalence, dur

xxxxp you wouldn't have to repeat yourself if you weren't so tiresomely annoying about making sure that everyone else understands every nuance of your original point.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:40 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which im doing because ppl keep misrepresenting my points to make me into some dude who thinks gangster rap is real life reporting just cuz i said j stalin was adding something to an older archetype, or that i think gza is hot garbage bcuz i said his style has dated somewhat relative to raekwons

Alex spare yourself a whole lot of agony on that one

xp why do you care so much?

btw you are completely deluded and/or lying if you say anybody has misrepresented you. you may change what you say when somebody refutes your point, but nobody here misrepresented you, and if you're going to claim that, I challenge you to quote 1) the post of yours that was misrepresented and 2) the post in which the misrepresentation occurs

you realize that was a quote from halfway up the thread right

You realize that, some time after you wrote that, I wrote that the reason an argument happened in first place was because of how you initially attempted to make your point (which most of the posters here still disagree with you on but at makes more sense than what you originally said) as can be seen here: classic Wu-Tang solo run poll

Seriously, not everyone around you is an idiot.

without further bs "clarification" i.e. backpedaling xp

Seriously your posts are like that throbbing vein in Uma Thurman's skull in Kill Bill. Getting this worked up about it can't be good for you health.

Also is the SLEEP THAT'S WHERE I AM A VIKING thread funny or depressing? Debating whether or not I want to read it now?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:41 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its super boring but i play a smaller role

"DATED... that's where I'm a viking at music"

without further bs "clarification" i.e. backpedaling xp

― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:44 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

post a single SINGLE example of 'backpedaling'

"DATED... that's where I'm a viking at music"

― gr80 antebellum (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 15, 2010 2:45 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

'dated' can only be pejorative to hack music critics who think its a word whose meaning is self-evident rather than open up other questions

'of course it could ONLY mean pejorative!'

it was pointed out to you upthread, you have a long history of ignoring it when your backpedaling is cited and then waiting until the thread is 5000 posts of everybody telling you you're wrong and then going "prove it!" you reread the thread, your backpedaling is clear to EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/managainsttheworld.gif

oh my god dude you are ridiculous