classic Wu-Tang solo run poll

N.O.R.E.

to clarify so this doesnt turn into another 200 posts, the thing that bothers us about GROCERY BAG punchlines is that they take u out of everything & make you focus on the grocery bag construction gimmick -- it doesnt feel like a naturalized part of an individual's rapping, it feels like yr fitting into some grocery-bag-rapper-formula.

suggesting that gza line was proto-grocery bag was a way of suggesting that he was on the tail end of a style where you were just trying to pack as many similes into each verse as you could, and that this was about as 'mainstream' as that style would be for awhile -- that his persona got kinda overshadowed by laundry lists of similes/metaphors

^ which sl0cki already proved was a stupid thing to say and everyone agreed

― gr80 antebellum (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 15, 2010 12:52 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he 'proved it'??

i dont see how what slocki said has anything to do w/ my point

This thread =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3TNmNytvi8

is he really trying to convey a street vibe on that particular song though? just sounds like battle rap to me, its not like the line is in 'cold world'

xxxp with science.

alex why are you here? isnt there a reggae thread u can post on?

is he really trying to convey a street vibe on that particular song though? just sounds like battle rap to me, its not like the line is in 'cold world'

― only built 4 cuban linux... (ciderpress), Friday, October 15, 2010 12:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^discovered wu tang from a dude playing acoustic guitar in a blacklit college dorm room in 2003

that his persona got kinda overshadowed by laundry lists of similes/metaphors

maybe this happened to him later (I don't know) but I wouldn't say this is the case on Liquid Swords at all, where it's more just straight-up storytelling with a few exceptions (Labels, B.I.B.L.E.)

xp

how did you know...

deej what is it with you and the pointless ad hominem attacks. I assume you copped it from ethan but dude, nagl

xxxxp Apparently not. You should revive one. It's got to be better for you than continuing to post on this one.

"blown out the frame like pan am flight 103" "feminine like sandals" "flow like the blood on a murder scene" "that attack the mic-phones like cyclones or typhoons"

etc etc
fwiw i think these lyrics are all awesome -- because this needs to be reiterated that i do love liquid swords & its a rap classic forever -- dont confused 'dated' w/ 'qualitative judgements' except for as ive said the small degrees to which i prefer rae & ghost's rapping

deej what is it with you and the pointless ad hominem attacks. I assume you copped it from ethan but dude, nagl

― i was like a person at a table at a place (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, October 15, 2010 12:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its really not an attack. it was a joke pointing out that i disagree. if he takes it personally thats kinda ridic

You are seriously the most tone-deaf poster on ILX.

Not an attack. Just a joke. Don't take personal.

xxxxp Apparently not. You should revive one. It's got to be better for you than continuing to post on this one.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, October 15, 2010 12:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no seriously why are you here and what are you adding to this conversation. im really serious. why are you even wasting your time if you dont like whats going on in this thread? there are hundreds of other wu tang threads you can go reiterate the same points you made a decade ago

um deej do you know what an ad hominem attack is cuz that was like the dictionary definition of one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

xp

i dunno i think its pretty tone-deaf just to show up to talk shit? im actually participating in a conversation while you're just being a dick?

this board has been saying "ad hominem" like every five minutes these days. did y'all just finally look up what it meant or something?

the ad hominem was incidental to the point which was, "yes i think gza is trying to sound street"

(i mean, i think he largely does)

deej, apparently you want to make this about something personal between me and you because anything is better than you continuing to look like a jackass on a 600 post thread. Good luck with that.

you guys have been fairly proactive regarding the use of "ad hominem" on ilx recently

rather than bitching about me making a joke about dude hearing wu tang in a dorm room why are you directing your "omg clusterfuck!!!" energies at worthless posters who arent actually engaging in the discussion & instead are just lobbing bullshit from the sidelines like whiney & alex in sf?

Proactive

A word dumb poeple use to sound smart.

"Whats your opinion on the matter, Bob?"
"Oh, well I'm proactive."

deej, apparently you want to make this about something personal between me and you because anything is better than you continuing to look like a jackass on a 600 post thread. Good luck with that.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, October 15, 2010 1:04 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is only 'personal' to the extent that youre being a huge dick, right now, in this thread. im not holding a grudge about something or w/e else you imagine to be going on.

anyway... what's that line GZA has about lyrics being poured out like concrete to pave streets...? is that on Liquid Swords? blanking on where that verse is from

many x-posts

"this is only 'personal' to the extent that youre being a huge dick, right now, in this thread. im not holding a grudge about something or w/e else you imagine to be going on."

Really don't care. Just content to amuse myself on a lazy Friday.

this board has been saying "ad hominem" like every five minutes these days. did y'all just finally look up what it meant or something?

I have no idea what you're referring to. don't think I've thrown this term around recently

i dont see how what slocki said has anything to do w/ my point

Then, seriously, you need to communicate better, because you cannot get across what you are trying to say in hyper-compressed, non-expository sentences and what s1ocki wrote seems to be a clear refutation of the idea that that is a random simile that pulls you out of the persona of the song when the entire song seems to be as much about metaphorical density and the transitions between them as it is telling a story or being a brag record.

deej for the record, this is wall-to-wall punchlines+similes I (and many others obviously) don't really see how the clock radio speakers line is all that different from any of the other lines in the song, and, as Dan points out, it's tied together thematically with the lines that come before and after it. How it "pulls you out" of the song is something nobody but YOU seems to understand.

Fake niggaz get flipped
In mic fights I swing swords and cut clown
Shit is too swift to bite you record and write it down
I flow like the blood on a murder scene, like a syringe
on some wild out shit, to insert a fiend
But it was yo out the shop stolen art
Catch a swollen heart from not rollin smart
I put mad pressure, on phony wack rhymes that get hurt
Shit's played, like zodiac signs on sweatshirt
That's minimum, and feminine like sandals
My minimum table stacks a verse on a gamble
Energy is felt once the cards are dealt
With the impact of roundhouse kicks from black belts
that attack, the mic-fones like cyclones or typhoon
I represent from midnight to high noon
I don't waste ink, nigga I think
I drop megaton BOMBS more faster than you blink
Cause rhyme thoughts travel at a tremendous speed
Clouds of smoke, of natural blends of weed
Only under one circumstance is if I'm blunted
Turn that shit up, my "Clan in Da Front" want it

I'm on a Mission, that niggaz say is Impossible
But when I swing my swords they all choppable
I be the body dropper, the heartbeat stopper
Child educator, plus head amputator
Cause niggaz styles are old like Mark 5 sneakers
Lyrics are weak, like clock radio speakers
Don't even stop in my station and attack
while your plan failed, hit the rail, like Amtrak
What the fuck for? Down by low, I make law
I be justice, I sentence that ass two to four
round the clock, that state pen time check it
With the pens I be stickin but you can't stick to crime
Came through with the Wu, slid off on the DL
I'm low-key like seashells, I rock these bells
(when the MC's..) Now come aboard, it's Medina bound
Enter the chamber, and it's a whole different sound
It's a wide entrance, small exit like a funnel
So deep it's picked up on radios in tunnels
Niggaz are fascinated how the shit begin
Get vaccinated, my logo is branded in your skin

tbf, deej I think that you are def corect and very insightful re: GZA's simile-packed flow being a relic coming out of the Juice Crew days.

But you are dead wrong about this making anything sound "dated." Since GZA's flow a unique blending of the old AND the forward-thinking that's what makes GZA such a unique personality. He's a lateral-minded thinker that's also reverant to the classics. Complaining about it is like revisiting Trout Mask Replica and saying that the blues inflections make Captain Beefheart sound dated. It's just as misguided as when Breihan saying that Run-DMC lyrics don't hold up in the post-Jeezy era or whatever.

It's just as misguided as when Breihan saying that Run-DMC lyrics don't hold up in the post-Jeezy era or whatever.

o_0

like it's not like he's telling a story from a specific POV and then makes a quick non-sequitur aside about clock radio speakers, he's talking about things that are old/outdated/weak goes from sneakers to speakers, then there's the ref to stations and radios later in the song...

Since GZA's flow a unique blending of the old AND the forward-thinking that's what makes GZA such a unique personality. He's a lateral-minded thinker that's also reverant to the classics.

this is OTM, and also i think one of the big problems with this debate -- and i have an do see deej's point -- is that we are centering it around GZA, an extremely unique MC who is very hard to pigeonhole into one specific style or timeperiod...he really stands apart and that's part of what's making this hard to argue about

it would be like having an argument about rock pre- and post-nirvana and using U.S.Maple as an example

or actually scratch u.s. maple from that line and insert NOMEANSNO

it would be like having an argument about rock pre- and post-nirvana and using U.S.Maple as an example

nominate for ILM board description

Yeah, I mean basically my point is that GZA is really excellent at being GZA, a unique, stand-alone personality in the field of rap. It's really besides the point to even think of him in terms of how he relates to The Carter III.

gza even feels a bit out of step with the rest of wu-tang to me....like yeah he def straddles the line between the future and the past at the time the wu came out....

which is pretty much i think what deej was saying anyway, though maybe it came off as him saying it was a negative

last 10 min in the thread like the sun breaking through the clouds

no hominem

last 10 min in the thread like the sun breaking through the clouds

― contenderizer, Friday, October 15, 2010 2:26 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah well wait for

http://www.hurricanecity.com/images/davidsat1.jpg

to get back

it ain't worth the mic stands used by backup singers in atlantic city bands

http://www.grudge-match.com/Images/taz.gif

\oO/ i agree w what was just said

But you are dead wrong about this making anything sound "dated."

except for this. i just dont think theres something 'wrong' w that ...

So you pointed out that something sounded "dated" w/o knowing and/or caring that most people are gonna perceive the word "dated" as a pejorative term?

this is only 'personal' to the extent that youre being a huge dick, right now, in this thread. im not holding a grudge about something or w/e else you imagine to be going on.

lol dude you think everybody who disagrees with you "has it out for you!" that's like, established fact