Indie Guilt: C/D

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fat girls with ironic backpacks?
I am not fat. i am just physically challenged. And that backpack is now replaced by a bum bag that I wear over my shoulder.

― cuba libre (nathalie), Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan turns to indie when he's feeling like a pussy (the Apples, Belle & Sebastian, etc.)

― Mark, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

drink up dom

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bye bye liver.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Which makes sense)
(Also, how indie is it that I left the "In Stereo" off?)
(If pussy hip-hop=PM Dawn then count me in)

― Mark, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

go find the roots and mos def c/d threads haha

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

2. not misattributed, merely misparsed (cf later post abt "guilt" as a basis for fandom) => it is i think exactly as silly and exactly as plausible as the original thread-claim

4d. i am as all know a huge DC fan of course, and far too old ever to have been an indiekid (beside, indie killed punk rock, maaan)

(sorry abt yr bad day)

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Where is the pity? Where is the pity?

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark S your condolences crossed wires with my plea for more of them: thank you so much, they mean more than I can convey on-screen

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth, I was thinking of contributing something to this thread, but I've had too much trouble following it.

― DeRayMi, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

alan = indie
virgil = 60s garage
john = idm (well, duh)
scott = ryan adams
gordon = dub

mr tracy = dave van ronk
parker = mingus
lady p = the shirelles
tin-tin = bratmobile
brains = the brazen hussies

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

GUILT By Association -- Orlando, Florida INDIE Rock band

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My Jack Daniels comment was aimed at Ethan's "pussy assed indie hop" claim, rather than the "crazy shit" claim. I still could be drinking lemon flavoured Coke tonight...

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

now do us!!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They are not indie. They look like a roleplaying society. Roleplaying = prog, obviously.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But but I thought indie rock was all about Iron Maiden T-shirts, two piece virtuouso math rock bands with really good drummers, and and and Iron Maiden T-shirts????

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the hood = alien hiphop

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dom i knew what you meant and thats what i meant so DRINK UP

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bowacks.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://members.aol.com/dubplatestyle/emined.jpg

― indie hiphop., Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan, the people that first got me interested in indie were, at the time, driving around listening to stuff like Wu-Tang, Schoolly D, and Gravediggaz. Is that "pussy-ass hiphop"?

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

jeff!! bah, i haf been trying to remember dad tracy's name for 20 minutes which = pathetic in anyone's language

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heh heh heh. I like the way my hair looks there.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and mine was young mc, what's yr point?

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the accusation is something along the lines of "indie rock people are a bunch of Arrested Development-listenin', troo hard beatz-fearin' college students" and all I have to say to that is N.W.A. + the Posse continue to astound fifteen years after tha FAKT

Gin + Tonic = the answer to so very many problems

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha gravediggaz were the INDIEST!!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

and only rock critics liked nwa and schooly d

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/indie7.jpg

sigh

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is that a record by PINKY KRAVITZ??!?!

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think it's by ritzy kranmer.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That "indie kids listen to some pussy-ass fuckin hiphop" is tired stereotyping, basically. And actually, most of the people I've known who are into stuff like the Roots and the Black-Eyed Peas are pretty single-mindedly into hip-hop.

Anyone who engages in two-dimensional, broad-brush slags of indie people -- a group among whom I don't really number myself, by the way, although I do like a fair amount of indie label stuff -- is implicitly waiving their right to ever complain at receiving the same treatment. I don't like sneery pissing-contest stereotyping from any genre's Pod People, be it indie, hiphop, chart pop, jazz, or whatever else.

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

code money is the only dj evah

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ethan I should have liked for you to have said so to the assembled "rock critics" at the Ice Cube show at the Palace in Hollywood in 1989: the turtlenekks & blazers were conspicuous by their absence

point being if you'd've lived in SoCal during N.W.A.'s ascendance you'd know that you couldn't be more wrong in your assesment

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark bought rap attack 3 at the hmv remainder sale.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

john i was six years old for christs sake

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i was at a wu tang show once and they didn't show up for almost 2 hours! let me tell you, i've never seen such indignant white people in my life.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

but if you keep playing hardcore you're never getting my three dollars again

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i've never seen such indignant white people in my life.

And so the race card, implicit throughout this discussion, is finally played...

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i mean i like your ace of base song and all but there were too many turtlenecks and blazers there

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha maybe i need to repost that irony definition.

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i'm keeping it real jess

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er, I don't think you do, unless you were being ironic about being ironic...(?)

On the other hand I do indeed think there are major race-driven subtexts going on in this discussion. I too am capable of Ye Olde Semi-Ironye.

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also phil you forgot that jess fucked your girl

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OVER THE FUCKING LINE, Ethan.

― Phil, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

why wd i buy an LP with "3" on the covah? think b4 you post, fool...

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

was the wigga html tag too subtle for you phil??

― ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would like to apologize for not liking fun.

― Melissa W, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

being six is no excuse for not going to the Ice Cube show

if you got into my show for three bucks then you owe me a pack of smokes

― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the actual line

― mark s, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

mark, was that directed at me??

― jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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