look let me spell this out for you guys on how this whole thing went down
band with interesting sound & small amt of buzz, maybe w/also a manager, gets offered a spot on the Levi's Fader stage. let me point out to anybody who thinks It's All About The Music that this stage is sponsored by one of the last successful magazines standing & a brand with worldwide name recognition & permanent cache, i.e., people whose pockets are deep. is the picture becoming clear to you? this stage will not be a place where a band with an interesting sound & small amt of buzz, and maybe w/also a manager, will be playing for free. in fact, the offer this band's manager has gotten is probably more money than any member of this band, what to speak of their "manager" i.e. their homie from high school, has ever seen on one after-show shared-hotel-room coffee table at once after playing one stinking show. one show for all that fucking scratch! what do you think we are, stupid? sure, we don't exactly know how to pull this off live, and sure, every other club we've ever played in had such shitty PAs that we sounded muffled & drowned & fucked-up without even trying. but whatever, right? we are talking about thousands of dollars here.
anybody here who would not be willing throw the dice & maybe end up looking like something of an asshole for many thousands of dollars can cast the first stone, but I'm guessing that if I had a lie detector test and a stack of hundreds that climbed up past ankle level, most of us here would be "where do I bust out the shitty rap?" Salem sucked because they don't really know what they're doing yet & hadn't really thought about playing outside of their element. In about a year they'll sound live like they sound on record & the only person who'll remember the Fader Fort performance will be markers.
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't disagree with any of that (especially the "GIMME MONY" bit, although I did turn down an incredibly minor named role in an Opera Boston performance because I wasn't sure I could handle it so sometimes sanity will prevail). That doesn't change the fact that they did go ahead and do it and sucked hardcore and now I don't really want to go any deeper into their sound when, on paper, this is a band that I should have been all over MONTHS ago.
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
In about a year they'll sound live like they sound on record & the only person who'll remember the Fader Fort performance will be markers.
this is assuming tommy lee jones zaps whiney with one of those men in black memory eraser space pens right?
― da poupier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
(especially the "GIMME MONY" bit, although I did turn down an incredibly minor named role in an Opera Boston performance because I wasn't sure I could handle it so sometimes sanity will prevail).
to be fair you have never been a homeless prostitute, as far as i know
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
the only person who'll remember the Fader Fort performance will be markers
O_O
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
@ HI DERE: yeah I agree with you! I was enjoying their recorded shit a lot until I saw the Fader deal myself, and then the air just leaked quickly out of the tire. I do think the "EXPOSED!!!" line that's esp. prevalent in this thread is a little - like - rockist? like, you know who else can't really deliver the goods live: lots of people in 2010. "You suck live" is sort of does-not-apply imo, though bands who're gonna suck live might do well to think about whether a one-time payday for a maybe-this'll-work show is worth the potential tradeoff.. I mean, cards on table, I have heavy rockist leanings and think that anybody who can't deliver the goods live is an asshole who should get out of the way for those of us who are willing to put a little blood & sweat into our live show. but I'm too invested in that whole idea to really count as impartial.
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
@ ilxor well you gotta admit markers has probably got a tattoo of the Fader Fort screencap at this point
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
as an ardent defender of the recorded music of taylor swift, i haven't made any judgments of salem based on that performance, aside from lols & also saying that the performance itself is pretty much racist
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
YOU DON'T KNOW MY LIFE
(although yeah, never been a homeless prostitute)
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
you know, after watching that FADER performance and then going back to the recorded version of "Tent", I have no idea what the "oh I don't hear that as them aping a black dialect, you people are making some shady assumptions" were smoking upthread
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is these guys didn't even coming off like they were trying for that $$$ and failing, what's so funny about out it is how fucking zonked, indifferent and clueless they look
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe -- iirc, you're assuming there's room after the full-torso Tapes N Tapes tat?
as an ardent defender of the recorded music of taylor swift, i haven't made any judgments of salem based on that performance
Except that ummmmmmmm, oh yeah!, Taylor Swift is AWESOME LIVE and if you're judging based on YouTube vids and not an actual live performance then you're not *really* judging properly imho.
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
well i'm judging from the bunch of times that i've seen her perform on tv and her singing is usually terrible
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
if you're judging based on YouTube vids TV spots and not an actual live performance then you're not *really* judging properly imho.
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
well i guess i'll just retire from this thread until both taylor & salem both swing around mid missouri
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan u know that only the realest of the real show up in central MO
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
that's true!
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
funny enough t swift's social conservatism gets on my nerves more than this dude's occasional "she say i'm down wih huh" schtick.
― goole, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
is t swift a baby mama grizzly or something?
― da poupier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
self-righteous twentysomething girls vs. hipster juggalos: which are worse?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
poll
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
jk
Hah, let's just say I was gonna front but then looked up recent tour dates and now I have to stfu.
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it just didn't rankle...living in decaying, lower-class Michigan (ie somewhat close to where these guys are from), i've known a LOOOOOOOOT of drug-addled white dunderheads that act like they're trying to be black. Sometimes they don't even have to be into ICP.
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I tell you what, if this album is in fact made by bottom-feeding crackhead juggalos, then I'm even more impressed than before...
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
that this stage is sponsored by one of the last successful magazines standing & a brand with worldwide name recognition & permanent cache
ceut way to say "a branding company that happens to have a magazine"
― rusko p. coltrane (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think levi's owns FADER
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Fader is a marketing company. You think they make their money selling bucketloads of magazines with Trash Talk on the cover?
― rusko p. coltrane (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm saying that you're misreading j0hn's sentence
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Whiney you & I are on the same HxCx side of the fence I thought -- your lookout probably requires you to know which magazines are connected with which companies etc but i assure you that in my heart it's 1993 and I read MRR and there's only 1 company anyway so why would I parse the connections, this ain't Vanity Fair
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder what they'll change their name to if one of the umpteen other bands named Salem sends a cease & desist
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I vote for "Salem Alaikum"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Salem 66 & Cosloy plotting their revenge from the original Homestead office, now a McDonald's in Uniontown
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I asked Gerard to verify and he said "Salem, I hardly know em"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Salem Jr.Salem From Above 1979Salem UKBottom Feeding Hipster Juggalo Krew
― m0stlyClean, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
120 Days Of Salem
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Hide The Salemy
― da poupier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Rum, Salemy, and the Lash
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
missing the days when "they sucked live" was a valid reason to dislike a band
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
This Last Night in Salem
― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
if they do a live album it should be called "salem if ya got 'em"
― da poupier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
The Internet kind of ruined music for me...
― search: wolf-kidult man (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:03 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
(xp to cad)
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
If I was them, I'd call it Playing To Our Strengths
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― GLEERILLAZ! (HI DERE), Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:51 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
omg lock thread.
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h279/juicyfrt/Tom20Selleck20Salem201977.jpg
― scaruffi kaleidoscope (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
high fucking five
― miss danilelle steven and her clitoral stimulator, away! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i'll remember the fader performance because that shit was hilarious
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything we might be nostalgic for when their vision of a royal trux clown posse was in its nascent state
― da croupier, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
royal trux clown posse
I love you forever
― drawl the whine (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I submit this thread for the now inevitable Most Boring Thread About A Band You Really Like, Like You Stop Even Checking It For New Answers After A While Poll
My copy of the LP finally arrived today (pre-ordered on 8/24). Came with a bonus limited single thing. Anyone heard this?
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 14 October 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link