Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

"See I'm a cold hearted murder just like Al Capone..." - DJ Paul

And another thing, Qoolio... Don't be tryin to have some debate with me about whether or not Andre 3000 is serious when he's singing! You've listened to all of 5 or 6 Outkast songs, so you ain't anywhere near some type of expert. Just cause the boy next door was a fan, doesn't mean you took in any knowledge. Take what you know about Kast, multiply it by 100 and you'd still only know half what I do. I been listenin to Kast hard core since 1996 - your freshman year in Qlown Qollege. Andre 3000 has been singing on tracks since Aquemini (1998), and he ain't never claim to be Luther on them, so I don't know why all of a sudden he would think he is now. I mean, he is singing seriously in the fact that he is in tune and on key, but as far as being the next Brian McKnight? Hell naw. And on the album, you can tell that he is not singing seriously. Try and listen to a song called "Roses" and tell me you honestly think he is being serious. Also, one of the reasons you stated that "Automobile" and "Player Hater" are hip hop was mainly because of the topics, but you failed to state the topic of "Hey Ya" and how it was different, so I wonder what was the reason of bringing it up? I can tell you that Hey Ya is probably about a couple in a sexual relationship and that they shouldn't try to take it further. Of course, I agree that the topic would strengthen the argument for Automobile and Player Hater, but I don't think that should be one of the strong points, simply because we both know that hip hop doesn't have to be solely based on bitches, hoes, sex, robbery, and murder. I respect your opinion and reasons (even though it took 5 or 6 posts for you to muster it up); however, I think if you were more familiar with Outkast, you MAY feel different. Outkast has songs like "Funky Ride" "Spottieottiedopalicious" "Liberation" and "Toilet Tisha" whereby one may not recognize them as hip hop if they ain't know it was Kast. But to me, Hey Ya ain't that out of the ordinary since I'm more familiar with their work. Of course, you may have heard all the songs and still think they ain't hip hop. That's your opinion. Fair enough.

I been racking my brain for a while to come up with a verse, and I had writer's block for a good minute. I haven't written since I was murkin Qool last April! But I came up with a random battle verse that's not really directed at anybody - just to try and get back in to spittin. If it sucks, I apologize to all my fans and will work on getting back up to par...

"Uh, uh, uh, poetic this, POETIC THAT, you fuckin with the most DREADED cat/you gon be lyrically beHEADED, cat, beef with me? you better DEAD IT cat//I gotta be alone at the top thanks to my ego and my selfishness/"Why you murder your opponents like that?" your honor, it was self defense//you must be insane thinkin you can outrhyme me/you'll face a death that's painful and untimely//plus, I'm playing your girl quite nice like Deion and two sports/she say you get in where you fit in because your dick's Too $hort//that's probably why she would let me GO IN her RAW/when she with you she said it's like she's BLOWIN a STRAW//but you can stop playin that straight role like you're the HARDEST of TODAY/I should call you MARVIN cause you STARVIN and you GAY(e)//yeah I said it; you're a FAG, a COWARD/on dates, dudes be bringing you the BATCH of FLOWERS!"

It's kind of random with the direction, but hey, it's got some promise!

I'm out like these Panthers to the Tight Titans. Peace!

"My heart bleeds for you nigga, I can't wait to get to you, behind the twinkle in ya eyes, I can see the bitch in you..." - 50 Cent

Looks like this thang is sick again, so I'm gonna throw some more stuff out there...

Qool, I know you got Beyonce's album and I assume you like it. I've been seeing the collabos and listening to a few tracks and I must say it's a solid effort. She got Luther, your favorite Missy Elliot, and Jay on 2 tracks. I like em all, plus the Sean Paul song is nice.

What's with the Bucs? They let soft ass San Fran put the smack down on em! I think they gon fall under .500 next week cause them Cowboys are coin to play. I think Bill Parcells is probably the greatest coach ever in my opinion. However, I'd say he's undeniably the greatest of the current coaching era. I have to give props to Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh, cause they, too, did fine jobs in their times. And there's Dick Vermeil, who also does the damn thing. However, Parcells seems to improve a team as soon as he steps on the sidelines. Parcells exhibits the formula that I think it takes to win in the NFL...

I get tired of hearing you "have" to run in the NFL. Defense wins championships. All these other moronic cliches suck. You only need 2 things to win in the NFL. Personnel and chemistry. Schemes are important, true, but you don't get to be a head coach or coordinator in the NFL without having a grasp on the NFL schemes. But Parcells understands that personnel and chemistry are the two biggest things needed. Ultimately, you gotta have good players. Heart and desire can only get you so far when you're playing someone decidely better than you. But generally in the NFL the talent gap isn't as wide as college. For example, it's not unheard for teams like the Texans or Bengals to beat temas like the Colts or the Chiefs. But that won't happen too often. So for the playoff caliber teams, chemistry takes them over the top. The Bucs all came together at the right time cause of chemistry. The Eagles always beat that ass, but not when it mattered cause the Bucs were "gellin." That's why coaches like Tony Dungy, Parcells, Vermeil, and Lombardi in his day are/was so good. They get their players to believe in themselves and play above their physical talent. Even though Herm Edwards' Jets are 2-4 and Cowher's Steelers, too, they both get their players to play at their highest level, and the Jets and Steelers will be competing for a playoff spot later on. And though the Bengals and Texans are weak personnel wise, once Lewis and Capers have more time implementing his scheme and personnel they will compete, too. I think the coach may take too much blame when a lot of players or good teams fail, but ultimately it falls on the players. But you do have a few coaches who will be difference makers - not because they scheme the best or "coach" the best. It's because they bring an attitude of winning and believing in your teammates, coach, and your scheme. Chemistry and personnel. Take Dallas. Parcells doesn't have that good of a team. Quincy Carter was like third string last year. Their running game is aiight. Their defense ain't all that. But they're winning because Parcells genuinely believes in them, which became infectious. They have beaten some pretty good teams, and beaten the teams they were supposed to. They all believe that they can do it this year (not in two or three), which is why they'll win the East (sorry, Qool). Ultimately they will be exposed for not being that good of a team (remember, personnel is part of it, too), but they show you what chemistry can do, and it should be exciting (at least for Dallas fans) to see what happens once Parcells puts in more of "his" players.

Kobe's case is going to trial. Will we finally officially learn this chick's name?

What was better - TO's TD or Randy's lateral???

I'm out like the Bills on Redskinnies. Peace!

First of all Hill, I wasn't clowning you with "eack." I thought it was a misspelled word, but at the time, I couldn't figure out what word it was supposed to be, therefore I asked you. You took it as a joke, when I seriously wanted to know what it meant. Just like one time I asked what bra-lic meant. Come to find out it was some NY slang, so I just thought you were commin' with some bamma south side slang. Once again, you can put on a case about how I'm making this up, but the truth is I was serious and I do know that better than you. Speaking of knowing things better than you, I never used "I know better than you" by itself. I used that to conclude. I said my argument and then I was like FURTHERMORE, I know how I feel better than you know how I feel, so nothing else really matters. I backed up how I felt, but if you want to disregard it that's fine, but you must remember, I know my feelings and thoughts better than you can ever hope to, Jack. Oh yeah, AL, before I forget, that "hang glide with him" episode didn't have me laughing at first, but now that you mentioned it, I crack up every time I think about it, including as I type this. Okay, where was I? If you want to get specific with it, and you obviously do, we can. I thought "seems" means that's how you saw it, and that's what you thought. And if you think I'm hating on a song because I don't like the singer and you go on to post about it, then you really believe the situation is what it seems to be. *But I stand corrected (*sarcaism). However, I can say it seemed different to me. And it did. It seemed like I said "Hey Ya" ain't hip-hop and then I put a period behind the sentence. Then it seemed like I was adding to my point by telling that the bamma didn't even rap! In conclusion, when I typed it, it never SEEMED like I was dismissing it as UN-hip-hop because I hate the artist as a rapper, duo, and as a muthaflippin crew. I dismissed it because that crap was and is solely an R&B song, WITHOUT hip-hop. FURTHERMORE, I know better than you what I was attempting to convey. Additionally, since we aren't really dropping this (but acting like we are) your sentence was REMOTELY close to the statement I pointed out to you. Are you going to continue to deny it? Just asking. Moving on to more redundancy, "Your honor, I know better than anybody it was self defense" is not invalid evidence. No, it can't stand alone, but it is very important evidence. If I tell the jury or judge this, it can only help. For one, if I don't show them I believe it, why should they? For two, it's the truth. I'm not sure if I'm correct here, but it SEEMS like you are trying to explain that YOU know better than I, what was in MY head. I'm not saying you said this, but it SEEMS that way. I can say it SEEMS like you want to marry a man. Bamma, don't try to use SEEMS as a license to spit nonsense and then act like the world supposed to let it ride because you claimed it seemed a certain way. Negro, it seemed that way and consequently you assumed it was that way, and you were and still are WRONG. I don't care how many times you define "seems" just like you don't care about the truth, you were incorrect. And if a bamma come trying to murk me because I hate him, Outkast and the boat he came in on and he ends up sleeping with the fish in the end instead of moi, why would I say "I know what happened better than y'all" and just leave it at that? I never said I'd leave it at that, so what are you talking about this time? Moving on, if Jada did murk 50, Kast, or Luda I wouldn't be surprised, especially since he already did murk one of them (whoa). Oh yeah, listen to Ten Hut by Sheek, just to see what I was talking about with him and J-A-D-A. Moving on, you don't want none of this in Madden. LaVar would have your QB hearing foot steps; then I'd send in Champ for a CB sack. Moving on, I don't need a lecture about how long you've been a fan of Outkast. I don't really care. I don't need to hear every track to think that cuz was being serious. Yeah, he was on tune like you say, he made a video to it and that bamma tries to sound like a real singer to me. In my opinion, he was being serious, case close. Unless you know him personally, I don't agree that you can say cuz wasn't serious, even after he does the listed aspects plus other things. And I don't know the topic, did you not see that? I typed it, go reread. If he's talking about getting some head on that song, then I missed it. Moving on, how did you know I had my wife's CD (Beyonce')? Maybe I don't have it, maybe I don't like it. Sike, you know I keep that joint up in the ride and got it on the first day. That's my girl, but once again you and I are gonna have to disagree. I don't like most of the the co-lab-bos. Luther is cool and the single with Jay. As you probably know, I hate the joint with dude from Outkast (and being that it's Beyonce's song, I REALLY tried to FORCE myself to like it...but it sucks), I don't like the second Jay-Z song and I can't stand that bamma Sean Paul, mainly because I don't know what cuz is ever talking about, if anything. I think she shines the most when its just her. Check out Me, Myself and I, or Dangerously in Love (which was on the last Destiny's Child CD). Oh yeah, just in case you ain't know, yeah, I don't like the joint with Missy. I got the Fighting Temptations Soundtrack because, well you know why, but I think Missy is on the first track, first verse, as soon as you put in the disc and the verse is terrible. I think she tries to be funny and it's just not making me laugh. I gotta go right now, but I'll be back to discuss football (Randy's play was better). I will say the Cowboys will not win that division. And I'm making a pledge, if my Skins get an L from the Cowgirls in their next game, I'll say we are sorry, we are weak, and all that other stuff Hill says. I won't even rep them anymore (on this board) this season if Hill thinks I shouldn't. But since I know we are gonna whip them and show that they and the coach aren't as good as the record shows, I'm relaxed. Usually I don't do this but, "I guarantee a Redskin win against Dallas!" Yeah, I said it.

"I don't give a fuck if I sold one or one million, but I think you should, cause if I only sold one, then out comes the hood..." - Jay-Z

I also think Foolout should worry about this ass whippin he bout to get... but d-d-d-don't t-t-t-take this puh-puh-puh-personally...

Why is it that I can't say if Andre 3000 is serious because I don't know him personally, but YOU can even though you don't know him personally, either?! NEGRO, PLEASE! And let's not even talk about your lame ass evidence - which is highly assumptive anyway! He made a video to it? So flippin what! You've seen the video! He plays the same 7 or 8 characters and is hoppin around in the 60s! That's serious to you?! Besides, he sings on all but one track on the whole album, so pretty much ANY video he makes will have singing on it, so your point that he made a video to a song where he sings is irrelevant. The reason he made a video is probably because he liked that song more than some of the others on the track! That doesn't mean he picked that because it displayed some Lutheresque talent, MORON! And there were times that mama tried to lecture you, and you ain't wanna hear it, you knucklehead lil boy, but my "lecture" was actually RELEVANT to our debate unlike anything you ever say. You ain't got to care, but the fact that I know Outkast WAY better than you pretty much makes my statements about Andre 3000 a lot more plausible than yours! For example, if some bamma (you) came in here and said he'd only heard two Jada (Outkast) tracks and says Jada (Outkast) always spits about money (seriously tries to sing), you'd (I'd) probably (definitely) murk him and say that Jada (Outkast) doesn't because you (I) been listenin to Jada (Outkast) for a minute and can name a dozen songs where Jada (Outkast) spits about some other ill stuff (doesn't seriously sing). Now who's more credibile: you (me), a die hard Jada (Outkast) fan, or some bamma (you) that done heard a few tracks? I'll defeat the purpose of that rhetorical question and say that YOU are (I am), MORON!

Next, at the time I said "SEEMS," I did not assume it was that way or believe it. That's the whole point of the term "SEEMS." A few posts LATER, after you had posted some more comments, that's when I said I believe you said it because you simply don't Outkast. Later! Not at that time! AT THAT TIME, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and I was giving you a chance to explain yourself, which you didn't do until about 3 or 4 posts LATER, so LATER, I said that your hesitance was a reason why I do believe it NOW! See, if you actually comprehended the meaning of the word "SEEMS" you'd have dropped this 15 posts ago. I can't TELL you what you meant with your statements, so why can you TELL me what I meant? What's up with all this double talkin! First with knowing Andre personally, now with what I meant! You need bactrack, regroup, rethink, slow ya roll, etectera, etcetera...

Also, I don't have a problem with you simply saying it was self defense. It's the "knowing better than anyone" part. That doesn't help. At all. Combined with all the evidence that you are innocent, it still means nothing. You might as well have all the evidence and then throw in, "plus I was born in May" or "plus I post on threads in my spare time." It doesn't add at all. The fact that you know better than anyone means nothing. Again, you do know better than anyone whether it was murder or self defense, but since you could be lying and we have no idea based on your say so, it is irrelevant. Saying it doesn't hurt, but it does not help. At all!

"Hey Ya is a gay ass song because it is done by a gay ass artist in the general style of homosexuality." That statement is ALSO not even REMOTELY close to what I said. If you think it is, fine. I can let it go. But like a female, you seem to want to have the last word (lol). Go ahead, have it if you want (leap, frog, leap!)...

When I mentioned the Beyonce collabos, I was actually thinking that you would like them because Beyonce was so fire. I couldn't care less about Sean Paul being on Baby Boy, Beyonce is muphukin flames! We probably all agree that Beyonce has the luxury of actually being able to sing to go with her beauty (unlike J-Lo, Britney). I really just like hearing her on the collabos. Cuz from Kast (Big Boi) is staright with me and so is his boy Sleepy, but I think Beyonce is fire on that, too. Not that I'm dissing Kast, but sometimes you gotta suffer through the storm to get to the rainbow (I can't believe I said that) so suffer through Big Boi/Sleepy just to hear the lovely Ms. Knowles - who Jay-Z and I are cuttin. Anyway, I'll definitely peep the solo cuts as well. LMAO @ "Maybe I don't have it, maybe I don't like it." Yeah... right... my bad... there I go assuming things again...

Dude, you can rep them sorry Redskinnies til the cow(boy)s come home (and wax you). I don't care. But just realize they WILL suffer that ferocious L to a better prepared, better coached... hell, just BETTER team! You see how us Tight Titans did Carolina... you might just need to plot on avoiding the playoffs, cause the end result of any of your success would be to get pummeled in the S dot Bowl by McNair and his Folks. That opening day win seems so long ago...

Man, I'm out like Mister Allen Iverson. Peace!

"Now all Beyonces and Lucy Lius and baby dolls, get on the floor..." - Andre 3000

Yeah, I also know that you didn't know the topic of Hey Ya. So my question was where were you going when you started talking about the topics of Automobile and Playa Hater? You mentioned them being considered hip hop songs at first glance because they was about head and gangsta moves, respectively. But you didn't counter with Hey Ya was about XYZ so I associate XYZ with R&B. You just stated you didn't know the topic, so if it was about head and gangsta moves it SEEMS that following along with your statement about Automobile and Playa Hater, that Hey Ya actually IS hip hop. Of course, now when you said that, why did you bring the topic of a song into the debate? I just didn't follow.

And I also forgot to tell you that Jadakiss has no point on Made You Look (remix). Yeah, sure, you said Nas said the point of the song was X, but I wasn't talkin about the song. I said Jadakiss. His verse is random. Tight, but random and goes from this to that to over there and beyond. He has no point on that track.

On Madden (of course not Pharell/For Real) the Redskinnies have a fire defense with Smoot, Bailey, and Arrington, but they offense on that game is boo boo. Trung, Gardner, and Ramsey are all boo boo. Their line is boo boo. Without Coles, they are plottin for 5 turnovers a game.

I'm out like Pharell. Peace!

Bamma, I can say he is serious because you give an artist the benefit of the doubt. Don't try to say he wasn't serious just because it sucked fat floppy disc style. Why would this bamma write, produce, sing on key, and perform a song he ain't serious about? Negro where is your evidence? That alone tells me he was serious. When that bamma makes a rap do you question if it's serious? No. I only view a song as not serious when is something like Weird Al or when the singer says, "We were just in the booth joking around and blah blah blah." And I heard or read rappers say that. Now I DID NOT hear or read cuz from Kast saying that; so if he did show me, if not then leave me alone about it. What does the 60's have to do with it? This is at least the 2nd time you mentioned that. So what? As I stated before, Lauryn Hill made a video and it had a 60's vibe to it and she played more than one person (hmm, was cuz bitin'?). She was dead serious about her song (just like he was). The difference is that hers was FLAMES and his was flameless or without flames, Jack. Bamma, my mother lectured me at times when I didn't want to here it and sometimes I actually didn't need to here it. She wasn't perfect, she made mistakes just like everybody else who walked this earth except Jesus Christ. I still love her. Just because it's a lecture, doesn't make it right. First of all, I heard entire Outkast albums, so you are lunchin'. All you did with the Jada (Outkast) speech was confuse a bunch of readers. Get the FLIP OUTTA HERE (FOH) with that. I can here one song by an artist and make a correct statement about it. I can say he has on red shoes. Just because you been liking him since day one, are his shoes not red? But I didn't do that here anyway. I heard plenty of his work so by your logic I can speak on it. I never said anything about him trying to be or not trying to be Luther so FOH with that. I peep how you are still trying to give a brother an argument. No thanks. That's your point of view, but I ain't saying he Luther. I'm saying that bamma is singing and he SEEMS serious to me. Just because you followed his whole career, attended all of his local concerts, voted for him on TRL and would take a slug or two for him doesn't mean YOU can tell me when that man ain't serious. And bamma ain't nobody double talking but you, H2K, Hillshire, Jack. I can tell you what you mean because you actually said it. Whereas with me I never said it, but you, for an unknown reason, thought you could get into the mind of Qool and explain what I meant and thought. Wrong bamma. That's how. That ain't double talk that's common sense. Moving on, saying I know better than anybody does help. How many times must I explain this? For one IT IS THE TRUTH. I think you somewhat agreed with me there. Also, it was to shut up you on what ever you were saying about me. That fact is you can't really speak on what's in my mind, but you continue to tell me that I was lying or you don't believe me. Instead of me saying "I wasn't telling falsehoods" and just leaving it up in the air, I drove any doubt out the window when I said PLUS, I know better than you. See, both of us stated our cases, but only one of those people (me) knew the 100% truth without having to think about it and guess. And why would I lie anyway? Of all things, this? I done admitted defeat about Team 3, The HoopaStars, and The TA Dodgers. Why didn't I just say I took all of those teams to the championship? Why not say, I heard every Outkast song, or that I know plenty of people that hate them bammas? Negro, you ain't nobody I gotta lie to. Don't flatter yourself. Everything you hear from me (with the exception of Beyonce' being my baby's mamma and other jokes) you can take to the bank, Jack. Moving on, your comment was REMOTELY related to the one I mentioned in a pervious post. FOH with that last word garbo. You are the one with a lot of SIS in you. Sisqo, sister, sissy, lol. Moving on, I can't believe I left off my favorite song when I dropped KNOWLES-ledge on Beyonce'. This joint, I think it's called "Yes." That's one of the best on there. I agree sometimes you gotta suffer through the storm. Baby Boy is a song that proves it, because now I can at least tolerate it. Is Sleepy that bald head dude that rolls with Kast? That bamma, lol. Who is cuz? And Bee told me that you and Jay are full of...you know the rest. Moving on, the topic of a song, TO ME, can have something to do with what kind of song it is. If a song praises the Lord, it is Gospel right? If the topic is praising the Lord, where would you put it? All I was trying to say is, that Automobile and Playa Hater talk about aspects that I only hear in hip-hop songs. So I was saying the next time Hey Ya comes on, I'll see if cuz is talking about the same factors. Would it then be hip-hop to me? Hard to say. Right now, it ain't. If it's talking about the mentioned factors, all I can do is reevaluate it. Concerning Jada's Made you Look verse, maybe he didn't have a point. Maybe you're right. I thought he was saying he was one of the best out and don't mess with him...random things like that. But maybe you know better than me; and maybe you know better than Nas too. Man, Madden be cheating. The computer just beat me by about 9 to 28. You're right, the offense is weak, but I'll still send you home with an L just like we gonna give Dallas. And speaking of Dallas, I think football coaches in general get too much credit. I'm not saying Tuna ain't a great coach...why do they call him that? But on that Monday night game when the Cowgirls were playing the Giants, the game was over...almost. If the kicker kicks the ball in the end zone, the game is done times ten. But he does not and as you know NY took an L. During the game, Madden started saying, "This guy can coach, that's all there is to it." No, this bamma lucked up. The next day on ESPN, almost everybody was saying they won the game because "The Tuna" made his team believe and blah blah blah." Now let me give you another example. Same point but different situation. A few years ago, the Redskins were 7 and 6. The year before they had finished the regular season with a 10 and 6 record (like they will this year). After they took L number 6, the owner fired the coach, Norv Turner. We lost AT LEAST 3 games, I think more but AT LEAST 3 on bad field goals. If the kicker makes these kicks or if these shook bammas could snap the ball right, the Skins have a way better record. The 7-6 record wasn't Norv's fault. Maybe cuz was a coach that needed to be fired, but not in the middle of the season. Maybe the kicker should have been fired mid season, not the coach. My point... I think coaches play a huge part in the win or loss category, but they aren't the deciding factor, in my eyes. Especially in basket ball. If you have one good player, you have a nice shot, never mind the coach. Baseball is where you really have to out coach the other coach, but it still comes down on the players making the plays. I think players win or lose the game. A bad fumble or a pick at the right time can turn the game the other way and the coach can't do a thing but look and get cooked. Just like Hill does when it comes to beef.

Since we got on R&B a little, I'll take this time to say I was wrong about Ashanti. Sister, can sing and she is fine now; I don't know what happened, but "Rain On Me" is my song. She SUNG that joint, and Larenze Tate hooked up the video quite nicely. Hillis, Mariah is another who has the looks to match the voice. Alica too. Lastly, anybody hear Jay's new songs? One of them "Change Your Clothes" is another weak song to me, like "Excuse Me Miss." But the other "What More Can I Say" is grade A status.

"Got a new motto this year, "Don't Fuck With My Ones!" knock on your door, three in the mornin, "It's just us and the guns!" - Jay-Z

Look, MORON, you can say he's serious all you want, and you'll still be absolutely wrong. You may have HEARD Outkast albums, but it's quite obvious you haven't LISTENED to them. If you actually LISTENED to them, you'd stop talkin all this stupid shit about him really trying to sing. As a true fan of Outkast, I can't express how idiotic you sound. You are absolutely wrong. I'm sorry, you can come up with all this crappy ass evidence all day, and you'll still be wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. I ain't even tryin to clown or demean you (at least not on this), but you're just wrong. And the song doesn't suck; YOU just don't like it. The only thing that sucks fat floppy donkey dick is your terrible arguments! Biggie wrote, performed, and sang Playa Hater on key! Automobile was on key! What are you talkin about? DMX, Jada, Nas, 2Pac, have all sang hooks on key before, but you think they go around tellin people how they sound like Marvin Gaye? NEGRO, PLEASE! I enjoy singing songs, too, but when I sing I ain't tryin to be Luther. People sing all the time on songs, and that don't mean they think they sound good or are trying to impress anybody with their R&B lyrics. You're absolutely wrong about Andre 3000 singing on Hey Ya. You can take your obviously HIGHLY LIMITED knowledge of Outkast and throw it out the window because you have been misinformed. Maybe you think hearing a few songs off an album once or twice constitutes LISTENING, but you're sadly mistaken. Anybody who has REALLY LISTENED to Outkast albums before, knows Andre is not trying to impress with his singing. Now a gospel is a special genre, because topic alone makes the song gospel. But goespel is not like rap, r&b, country, alternative, etc. The style comes into play. Topic doesn't. Songs don't have to be about gangsta moves or head to be considered hip hop. If he was rapping, I'd take him serious probably because he's made FOUR ALBUMS and been seriously rapping since 1993, bamma. When he and Big Boi first started singing on Aquemini, I didn't care if he was serious because the songs were tight. On Stankonia, I know he's not serious because of the way he sings. "Slum Beautiful" and "I'll Call Before I Come" proves my point perfectly. And his little singing intro on "The Whole World" proves I'm right, too. So there's my evidence. Actually songs he's done before and actual knowledge of the subject. Again, you only came with highly assumptive nonsense! So, I really don't care how many videos with singing he makes, YOU'RE STILL WRONG!

Bamma, if we both see he has on red shoes, fine, you can say he has on red shoes. La di freakin da! But that's irrelevant. Him having on red shoes is a fact in your example. What we're talking about is your opinion and me knowing the facts. Can I point to where Andre explicitly said one way or the other? No, but neither can you, so that point is moot! What I have is a better knowledge of the artist than you ever will, and I'm tellin you, he's actually wearing blue shoes, dummy!

You ain't got to lie, Craig, you ain't got to lie... Yes, you do! That's the only way you can save face, NICCA! But since you don't believe me, go read The Source's article on Outkast when they gave em 4 mics. They explain it very well so maybe you can learn something, bamma.

You had me rollin on a couple of things you said... That damn Madden be cheatin up a storm! I can't stand when wide open dudes be droppin perfect passes for no reason, or they be comin up with these wack ass fumbles. Plus, I hate how McNabb, McNair, and Culpepper are all slow as hell. Vick is the only mobile QB with any speed! I rarely play the computer because I be too busy battlin my boys, but when I first got it I did. Man I had Philly on All Madden mode and in the first half I was down 28-0 to Green Bay and had already thrown 5 picks! It was some nonsense! I ain't have NO time to set up and make a good throw. So I ain't playin that nonsense no more... "Just because you followed his whole career, attended all of his local concerts, voted for him on TRL and would take a slug or two for him..." Hell, with 2Pac gone, what else was I supposed to do? lol

You like Ashanti's Rain On Me?! So, how did you not like Can I Live by Jay-Z off Reasonable Doubt? The beat is the exact same! Maybe you should give it a re-listen. Now, I agree Norv Turner wasn't the cause of the downfall of the Redskinnies. Y'all had a super nice team that year (except you caught that L to the Tight Titans that year), but Dan Snyder did WAY too much meddling and messed up the karma. Y'all started losing, Dan blamed Norv, fired him, and y'all season slipped away with L after L after L. That was a clear playoff team until Danny Boy f'ed it up. But with a strong presence like Parcells, you don't have to worry about outside distractions. The team is gonna play hard, make minimal mistakes, and hopefully if the talent is decent, you'll win some games. I think ultimately players play the game as well, but if a Dungy, Parcells, Dick Vermeil or a Marvin Lewis comes available, you snatch him up because he'll definitely have those players playing at the next level. Unfortunately for M. Lewis, his squad is supect. Parcells is suspect, too, but they're winning - even though Tampa did em in. Dungy took a weak team, turned em into a contender, and now they're possible Super Bowl favorites. We all know about Vermeil's success as well. So yeah, coaches ain't that instrumental, but there are a few out there who can make a difference from the sidelines and deserve the big bucks and attention.

I'm out like DallASS from Tampa. Peace!

First of all, listening to a track is listening to a track. Save that nonsense you spat about hearing an album once or twice and how it does not constitute listening. Because I listened and heard Outkast. Why is it so hard for you to accept, that this one person just doesn't like them bammas? Why must you rant on and bring up the fact that you know more about them in your attempt to prove that cuz ain't serious? Like I said, we as listeners give the artist the benefit of the doubt. We take it as serious until they say it ain't serious. Don't try to say he ain't for real because the song is stupid. Sounding like or not sounding like Luther has nothing to do with it. R. Kelly doesn't sound like Luther or Ginuwine, but they all sing...seriously! Luther ain't the singer by which all other serious singers are judged anyway. For real YOU just sound clueless when you mention that cuz ain't trying to be Luther. I know this, but that doesn't make him UN-serious. And all you ever do is point out what other people do and what other songs (which happened to be good) I can listen to. But the truth of the matter is, cuz is STILL singing and cuz is still serious, even after I consider the other songs you mention. You can make (corny) jokes, take shots, and whatever else you want, but you yourself can't muster up a reason why I can say "Okay, Hillis knows that cuz ain't serious." You tell me how long you've reped them and you listen to them and love them and if you could you would hug them, and I get the sense that you want to say "I know he is not serious, but I just can't explain it." Well, that's what you might as well say because you have yet to explain it. Try again. You don't care how many videos he makes singing, I'm still wrong? That's what you typed bamma. Does it make sense to you? Did you name those songs with the hope that I would even recognize them and then come around to being on the same page with you? You tell me cuz been seriously rapping for so many years, but you also said he's been singing for a long time. Double talker, you do the math. And bamma I'm not going to go dig up some Source article to read about some bammas I don't even like. LOL, are you serious? You explain your points so well, you give me the gist of it, or scan and copy & paste it. And do I need to explain how I put zero stock into The Source and their 5 mic system? Do you? And like I said, I don't have to lie to you, accept it or stay in denial. Moving on, I never said I didn't like that Jay-Z song. I'm saying I heard the album a long time ago. Maybe around my high school days, and he did say some things I liked, but I remember not liking the CD as a whole. You are probably right, about I would like it because I think you know what types of music I like, but I can't say if I do or don't until I hear it again. Oh yeah, did you catch the song on Beyonce's CD that sounds like "Automobile"? Moving on, is there a way on Madden where you can roll out as the QB before you pass the line of scrimmage? Sometimes as Pat Ramsey, I want to tuck the ball and run for about 20 or 30 yards (like he can do in real life, LOL) but you can't pick up any speed until you pass the line, even if you hit R2. And them stupid fumbles and picks will make you want to turn the game off, take it out of the system and return it to the store. Moving on, I felt you on your theory about coaches. I see what you're (a joke) saying and I guess you are somewhat correct (for a change). Some people will listen to a person like Vermeil or Bill P (why do they call him Tuna), and play with more effort. But I never needed that. I, and I assume other people, don't need a coach or a teacher or anybody, to get up in their face to get them amped and ready to play. But yeah, there are people like that and I guess that's where a popular coach makes his money. But like we both said, players win or lose the game. Lastly, I repeat, the Cowboys won't win that division. Them bammas got the same 5-11 team from last year. The Tuna can't just come in there and make bad players good...can he? Maybe if they get some new players, which I think they will next season, but I'm still not ready to believe in them. What happened to Trife, and H-wood and J-Dolo and 3:16 and the other people? Oh yeah, "L after L after L" had me lol'in but what happened the last time the Loose Titans came to Fed Ex? We X-ed them bammas like our name was DM.

"No more Big Willy, my game is grown, prefer you call me William..." - Jay-Z

Qoolout. Come on now. You know good and well I don't care if you like Outkast and I ain't tryin to "make" you like them. But we can forever go back and forth about Andre 3000 tryin to sing seriously...

Dude, I hope you weren't serious with that R. Kelly and Ginuwine shit. If you were too dumb to understand that Luther was an EXAMPLE then you're simply ridiculous. FUCK OUTTA HERE with R. Kelly and Ginuwine don't sound like Luther! Nigga, I know that! I was usin Luther as an example for a REAL R&B singer who takes his SINGING seriously. Damn, if it helps you, you can switch Luther with Ginuwine, R. Kelly, Jon B, Dave Hollister, Montell Jordan, Brian McKnight, Donnell Jones, Teddy Pendergrass, Keith Sweat, Ron Isley, Tank, Jaheim, Billy Ocean, Marques Houston, D'Angelo - shit, pick any male R&B singer your heart desires! The fact is, all those singers are serious R&B singers. They sound good on songs. People enjoy listening to them because they can really sing. They make R&B albums and soul albums. Do you follow? So all I was saying that Andre 3000 doesn't try to sound like a real R&B singer - not Luther, specifically, jack ass. Anyway, why do you give Weird Al the benefit of the doubt? Since you don't know him personally, you can't say he ain't serious, either! Yeah, he may amuse us, but how do you know it's not inadvertent? You don't know Champ Bailey personally; how do you know he really wants the Redskins to win? In case you ain't know, I'm not really making those stupid ass arguments, but I hope they help you realize how clueless you sound.

You obviously haven't listened to Outkast albums. You're either lying or think listening means having heard them once or twice. You say you ain't got to lie, Craig, so I'll assume the latter. Nothing you have said makes me think you have really listened to an album. You even said yourself you mainly listened to the "BS" on the radio, so why would you be a credible listener? Did I expect you to recognize any of the Outkast songs I mentioned? Absolutely not, because I know you're full of shit, proving my point that you have no idea what you're talking about! Do the math, huh? Fine, see if you can follow: Andre and Big Boi have been rappin since 1993. Seriously rapping. The first song where Andre sang was in 1998 on Aquemini and that was on ONE song whereas the album has 16 tracks. Then on Stankonia in 2000 he sang on FOUR songs, whereas the album had 24 tracks. So my point was that there a more than one song where Andre sings, so I'm not just basing this off Hey Ya (like you), but I actually know other songs where Andre sings and I can assure you he's not serious - hence me bringing them up since you SAY you've "listened" to Outkast's albums (yeah bleepin right). But don't get it twisted - he hadn't sang on but 6 or 7 tracks before The Love Below. That would hardly constitute a serious R&B singer when you have at least 50 songs out there. Bamma. Now, I don't care about The Source and their 5 mic rating system either. I was only pointing out that in their review of Speakerboxxx/Love Below they echo what I say about Andre 3000, and since they have rated all of their albums and probably know him personally, maybe you'd believe them since you cannot comprehend that since I know more about Outkast than you, I'm probably right about Andre 3000. And since all I do is bring up other songs, I'll bring up those same other songs, Automobile and Playa Hater, and by your bamma ass logic, I'll give BIG and Eazy the "benefit of the doubt" and say they really tried to be R&B and country singers seriously and they didn't want them to be hip hop songs "since I haven't heard otherwise" and "don't know them personally." lol... you're a clueless joke!

As usual the thread get hot for a lil minute then it cool off quicker than the Redskins 3-1 start. But if you're gonna clown my Tight Titans at least get it right. The last time we was in Fed Ex, we gave you all a ferocious L in a season of many ferocious Ls. Of course, the last time y'all came in the Coliseum, we caught the L. Except we still made the playoffs. Now Madden be real random with the fumbles, and it pisses me off. They need to fix that nonsense. I was down 28-21 to my boy (he had the freakin Redskins, lol) and I was driving down the field and was SO CLOSE to tying it, but this micky ficky decides to fumble on the 1 yard line! THE ONE YARD LINE!!! Are they serious? That's garbage cause all he had to do was break the plane, and they gon have my man fumble ON THE DAMN ONE YARD LINE!!! Take it back to the store?! Nah, playa. I was bout to get real Office Space on my TV and PS2 and take it out to a field with a bat while ya boys - Geto Boys that is - bump "Still" in the background!

Aiyo, check it, this weekend is gonna be sad for all Wash(ed up)ington fans when them 5-11 C-Boys hand Pat Ham-she a(nother)ferocious L like in the middle of 3W. I never understood why he was The Tuna, but when you win like he does, I guess you can get away with lame nicknames. And if you wanna run on Madden 2004 on the PS2 as the QB but still behind the line, just press L2. I don't know how on any other console. Another thing I hate is when yo offensive tackles just sit there and watch the DE run by and sack you. I could see if he fell or missed, but he just sit there and slide and don't even try to hold or nothin. And it pisses me off cause I don't do nothing cause it looks like he's in position to do SOMETHING but then I get sacked like ole boy wasn't even there! FLIP OUTTA HERE!

Man, I'm gone.

I'm out like bulljive fumbles. Peace!

"This little nigga named Nas thinks he live like me, talkin bout he left the hospital took five like me..." - 2Pac

Since ain't nobody else postin, I guess I'll keep it goin til J-Dolo and H*WOOD find somethin to post about. Shaq and Kobe are feuding again, but this time folks done got personal. I have three theories. 1) they're all just bullshittin to take focus of Kobe's trial, just like when they did all the bullshit arguments during their second championship to get people to underestimate them. 2) Kobe and Phil have a plot to piss Shaq off so he'll play hard through the whole season to prove a point to them; thus they win they championship again because we all know, except for Qool, that Shaq can't be stopped and any team with Shaq playing like his dominant self is guaranteed victory. 3) They're for real. I honestly thinbk it's 1 or 2, but let's say it's 3. I think Shaq is right; it's his team. Still, he ain't got to go around sayin that. If he was a true leader like Jordan, Bird, Bill Russell, Chamberlain or Magic, there would be no need to say anything. He's probably right about Kobe, too, and Kobe took it to harsh. Shaq went off on Kobe over a lil comment, too. Plus, Shaq got way too personal when he told him to opt out. It ain't that serious - the season ain't even started yet! Second, Kobe was absolutely right about Shaq being fat, out of shape, not being a leader, etc. Kobe may not be in the place to say Shaq's unprofessionalism hurt the team last year - I mean, Kobe is the one on trial for rape and cheated on his wife and hurting the team - but he's right. Shaq was fat and lazy all season and waited too long for toe surgery. The only thing is, I think Kobe gave out way too much info when he said Shaq ain't call him over the summer. Unless this is all a show, Kobe shouldn't have put Shaq out there like that. Ain't no need to cry in public cause ya boy or so called boy ain't call you. That's kind of gay.

Qool, since you know journalism, I had a question. I was always told that when something was in quotes, that means the person actually said it. And if something that is quoted is in paranthesis, then that something is referring to something he/she said, but it isn't really what they said. For example: Ted said, "We (the team) need to be crisp (on offense)." So following that example, Ted ACTUALLY said "We need to be crisp" and "the team" and "on offense" was put in by the reporter. Right? So following that example, what do you think it means in a sentence like this: Ted said, "We (need) to be crisp (on) offense as a team. (Coach Smith) told us (we need to) hustle." Now, if we take out the stuff in parenthesis, you get "We to be crisp offense as a team. Told us hustle." But that makes no sense! I see quotes with stuff in parentheses all the time that seem vital to the quote and if left out, the sentence makes NO sense. I usually see it when I'm browsing ESPN or looking in the newspaper. Here's one from ESPN.com:

"Definitely not," Bryant continued. "I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post, and I'll worry about the [perimeter]."

If perimeter is left off, it looks like Kobe said "I'll worry about the" and we know Kobe wouldn't say nothin that stupid, so why was perimeter in brackets?! I dunno. I was hopin you got some inside knowledge, but if you just as confused as me, then I understand.

I'm out like (the perimeter). Peace!

Okay, the Skins lost and I look stupid. It ain't even nothing I can say; they lost and I was wrong. Moving on, who is Billy Ocean? I know Champ Bailey wants to win, dummy, because like I said WE GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. Cuz, you are simple. Don't try to say how do I know and then say you don't wanna make that your argument. Unless you hear this man say, "I want the Redskins to lose," Then you can assume he wants them to win, because that is the object of the game. Furthermore, he shuts down receivers and makes picks and causes fumbles. He does this knowing that it will help his team win. If he ain't want them to win, he would not do the mentioned factors. Next, like I said or tried to convey before, if a bamma goes through the trouble of making a video, writing a song, producing it, and sings the joint on key, I figure he wants me and you to take him seriously. I have no idea who Billy Ocean is, but I presume that cuz is a person who wants you to take his joints serious, otherwise, why did he create it? I give Weird Al a pass because I heard him say "I MAKE FUN OF THE MUSIC." It was on Nickelodeon and I think I was in the 5th grade. They played some of his "hits" like "Eat It" and I knew he was joking because he clearly bit off of M. Jackson's video and song. Moving on, I have listened to Outkast albums. I know this better than you and its no point in aruguing it, thus I won't, but you feel free to do just that. Moving on, all you proved is that you are a bigger Outkast fan than I am. In your babble and hostility you still didn't give me actual proof of why he is UN-serious. Moving on, I stand corrected on the Fed Ex remark. Point being we whipped y'all the last time, but I stand corrected. Moving on, I will post on the Shaq and Kobe BS later, but I still say Kobe is better; he has the better skills so therefore he is better, but I will say more next time. As for the quotes you asked about, I was confused back in the day with that too. But it's simple to understand. Take for example the Kobe sentence. If you read, "I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post, and I'll worry about the [perimeter]" then that means, Kobe said another word, other then "perimeter" but he still meant "perimeter." He may have said I'll worry about the "outside." See this means the same thing, but when you see these [ ] it means the quoted person said something smilier. Most of the time we will only get a line or two with the quotes, so we don't understand the entire context; this method helps us to grasp the context better. Like if I said, "Kobe is a great player. Shaq is good too, but one on one, he don't want it with Kobe. All he does is dunks." See, if the reporter quoted just the last sentence, you would see, "All (Shaq) does is dunks," because mags and newspapers, so I'm told, are always trying to save space. Consequently, they won't print the entire statement so they should and attemp to make it as understandable as possible. Hope that helps, I'm gone.

"I been a menace to society (since when?), since Menace II Society..." - T.I.

Aiyo, check it, dun, you're pure tomatoes. You haven't said anything to make me believe you have listened to more than 10 songs by Outkast. Peep this, English major, let's assume you have read the Scarlet Letter and I "say" I have. Yet, I don't know what the letter is, what it stands for, why she has to wear it, plus I don't know crucial characters and all I know is who wrote it and it's set in the 1700 New England era, would you still believe me? Well, if you have read the Scarlet Letter and I couldn't tell you those details, it would probably tip you off that I'm LYING or I HAVEN'T FULLY READ IT, but I'd heard of it or maybe just skimmed it. Your views on Kast make me think that. How you ain't know what songs I was talkin about if you know they albums? How you ain't know what I was talkin about when I said Dre sang before? How you get confused and think I meant he been trying to sing for a while? How you still think he's serious? You must not be really listening and you haven't said anything to make me believe otherwise. FURTHERMORE, you said you mainly listen to the "BS they play on the radio [station]" which FURTHER lets me know you haven't really listened to the albums AS WELL AS the fact that your "hearing" these albums is due to the fact you resided next to someone who played them! What kind of nonsense is that?! I lived next to people who bumped alternative, but that don't make me some type of expert - or even someone with medium knowledge of the genre! My roommate now is really in to gospel rap, but I couldn't tell you jack about any of them! So your Outkast knowledge is minimal at best, which goes against your credibility. And me being a bigger fan than you combined with your professed lack of knowledge about them makes me WAY more credible than you. I'm not just a bigger fan; I'm more knowledgable on the subject in question, MORON! And you seem to give the benefit of the doubt to everybody but Outkast (because you don't like them - that IS the direction of ALL your arguments). It's called "BENEFIT" of the doubt. "BENEFIT!" Andre 3000 is not "BENEFITTING" from the doubt. You gave Biggie the "BENEFIT" and Eazy the "BENEFIT" but you didn't give Andre this "BENEFIT." The main reason I know BIG and Eazy aren't serious is because of HOW they sang - fuck a topic! And I know Andre's not serious because I can tell how he's singing that he's not serious. Plus, The Source backs me up on this - which is my proof as I stated before, MORON. Your proof is assumptive and stupid!

What is it with you and hypotheticals? I CAN absolutely say what I said about Champ Bailey and not make the actual argument! The ONLY reason I said it was because it would be a dumb ass argument based off YOUR logic! I specifically said I wasn't making the argument - are you kidding? Did you really miss that? Me, personally, I believe Champ Bailey wants to win(ALTHOUGH he could be doing all those things just to make himself look good, and couldn't care less about winning, lol). I don't know him personally, but I can see it the same as you. I never said Champ Bailey wanted to lose. All I did was ask you how YOU knew, since you don't know him personally! If I ask how do you know there's a God, that doesn't mean I don't believe He's there. Maybe I just wanna know how He's touched you! The Champ Bailey question was to prove to you that I don't need to know Andre 3000 personally to know his intentions, just like you don't need to know Bailey to know his. Your "proof" is ridiculous! He made a video to the song is irrelevant because he sings on all the songs (save one) on the entire album! I could see if he did 12 raps and sang twice, and the videos were on the 2 singing songs. But any video he does for The Love Below is gonna be a singing song, so that video mess is nonsense.

Billy Ocean was a mini-Luther (in size and fame) and his big hit was "Get out of my dreams, get into my car..." I can't remember the exact name, but that was how the chorus went. If you heard Billy Ocean, I almost guarantee you'd at least recognize him. And your explanation was quite simple. I thank you kindly, sir. Did you finally figure out Madden? Of course you don't wanna see me, so you haven't totally figured it out, but at least you might complete a pass, NICCA!

If Kobe is better than Shaq, why do the Lakers do better when Kobe is out and Shaq is in, rather than vice versa? Kobe can dribble better than Shaq and can shoot better than Shaq and can play the perimeter better than Shaq. But he's not better than Shaq. All Kobe does is dribble and hit jumpers. Last time I checked, dunks and jumpers equal the same - however, dunks are a higher percentage. Shaq shoots a better percentage and scores more. Threes are the only things that are better than dunks. Second, it takes more people to stop Shaq's dunk than Kobe's jumper, therefore opening up more options for other scores if Shaq can't dunk than if Kobe can't shoot. Third, any GM in the league would rather start their team with Shaq than Kobe. Fourth, two words: Penny Hardaway. Fifth, in reality, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're exaggerating when you say all Shaq does is dunk. But in any case, Shaq's low post game is more beneficial to ANY team than anybody else's post OR perimeter game - thus making him the best in the GAME OF BASKETBALL. You seem to fail to realize that basketball isn't necessarily about dribbling or shooting. You don't get points for crossovers or fadeaways. You get points when the ball goes in the hoop. Shaq does that more than anyone PLUS there's more of a chance someone else can do it because Shaq is on the floor. Defensively I think Shaq and Kobe are equal because Shaq can keep people from getting easy buckets in the paint and make it easier for others to overplay their man. And Kobe can shut down just about any perimeter player, taking them and their team out the game. Still, Shaq is better within the scope of basketball, and anyone with b-ball knowledge knows this.

You can rep them Redskinnies if you want to. They still suck, but go ahead and stick by your team. Of course I know you crying a river that you hope leads to the Titan's Ocean, but in the words of your broken heart it's just emotions takin you over... LMAO!

I'm out like the Redskinnies from contention. Peace!

I can't really comment on anything since the conversation is strictly between you two.

But I will comment on the Jay-z thing and say some things. First off the bat the album is destine to fail. He calls it a Black album (Which means no promotion, no singles, no video) but yet there is a single & a B-side playing on radio, and he did the video for Change clothes. I thought the whole purpose at the beginning was to finish off his last album, by going back before Reasonable Doubt. I thought it was kinda cool, cause I was under the impression it was going to be like Prince's Black Album. If your familiar with the story of the black album or not. After prince made Sign O Times he made an album which had no cover art at all, just a black page. It was a dark demented album, and if your familiar with prince's vulgar music, this took it 10 steps further. Prince didn't want it to come out, so the album was dropped and people bootlegged it. Instead he released Lovesexy and that was more of a commercial album filled with love songs and stuff. So we fast forward to the point where prince was "The artist formerly known..." the Black Album was released without any video, promotion, or even a single. Now we jump back to Jay-z thing with the whole Black album idea. He was also influenced by his nigga Biggie (Who was influenced by Prince) and his final wishes for his last album. Life After death wasn't supposed to be Biggie's last album obviously. But what Biggie had planned for his swan song was to have two albums come out simultaneously. One album would be more of an album for the commercial audience, ya know with the singles and stuff. Just imagine how Jay-z's Vol. 2 was beefed up with production, and guest appearances. That's what Biggie wanted to do with that album. He also wanted a producer to do only one track each. While the other one was for the streets. It was gonna be sold on the black market (Street corners). That was gonna be just him and the beats, no guest appearance, no promotion, no single, no videos. This was also to be a more darker album filled with more vulgarity.

I thought all along this is what Jay was gonna do, he was gonna pull out some old stuff from before Reasonable Doubt. Make brand new darker & deeper tracks. Have different producers on every track. No promotion, No Single, No Video...Instead we hear "Lets change clothes & go..." I'm like, What the fuck? This isn't a fucking black album, this is another Jay-z album. Which leads me to believe this is all hype just so people will by his shit. Since Blueprint 2 was lackluster, and Best of Both World before that. People were probably going to be hesitant to buy just another Jay-z album. But since this was gonna be Jay's last, the people would be more into getting it.

Lets not forget Jay has fallen back on promises. He fell back on his promise to have 12 different producers, I think the Neptunes do a few tracks on there. He fell back on his promise of No Promotion, No Singles, No Video... It even had those exact words on the ad that was in the record store! LOL Then we go back to when he said he was done with music after this album. But now I read in interviews, he's going to do a song with Madonna after this album. He is even going to do guest appearances on a few of the Roc albums...Bullish!

He might as well call it The Blueprint 3. I'm kinda happy it's already leaked out so people can actually get a chance to see what the CD has to offer before believing all the hype behind it.

But anyways moving on. Billy Ocean also made Caribbean Queen, its a classic 80's hit. I'm surprised you don't know of him Qool. But if you look at those late night infomercials about 80's music, you will hear his name pop up once. He looked like a mix between Curtis Blow & Glenn Lewis, but with a Jerry Curl. LMAO!

Also to answer your question about Bill Parcells being called the Tuna. There is no real explanation for it. But I remember watching the NFL Films Yearbook 1996, and they said the New England Patriots gave him a locker room nickname after the cartoon character Charlie The Tuna. I don't why they selected Charlie the tuna, I guess someone just came up with it out of the blue.

By the way in that verse I typed up, like I told yall it was just to clear up any confusion. I didn't mean it as insulting or trying to say yall don't know shit. On evry rap battle sit I'm on we do that type of stuff cause you deal with a lot of different people on the net, some may know, and some don't. You gotta look out for everyone ya know?

Hollywood, I think your understanding of why Jay-Z would call his album "The Black Album" is speculation - I don't think there's any hard-n-fast rule that says "'a black album' has no singles or videos, that is the rule for a black album." Also, Prince's black album (which was pressed up by his label in Italy before it was recalled - used to have a copy of it way way long ago) has "When 2 R In Love" on it, which would have been a single in the album had been released, and still was a single when it came out on Lovesexy.

I understand what your saying, but it's not about the fact a Black album is supposed to be this way or that way. The point I made was that Jay said there was to be no promotion, no single, no video. I know there is no rule to how a Black album is done. But Jay-z was using a formula that Biggie wanted to use, which was his interpretation of Prince's Black album. If Jay-z was to say from the start that its called the Black Album with promotions, singles, video's etc. Then there is no argument about it, but its because HE SAID there would be no promotion, no singles, no video... Is the reason I have beef with it.

When Prince made the album, yes, it was supposed to be an actual album with a single...BUT since it wasn't officially released at that time it's not considered a single. It's the mystique of the album that set up the blueprint for Notorious B.I.G.'s final work. Like I said it's not a set rule that a Black album has to be this way, or that way. But it's the mystique of its origins that gave birth to all this.

Yeah, I see your point. And I really love/miss albums that had a mystique to them - the idea of Jay-Z releasing a record with no singles or promotion really appeals to my inner underground-kid. I wonder whether Jay-Z floated the idea to distribution/promotion people in meetings and they were like "Jay, you're a genius, but what if we took your idea and sort of played with it a little" by which they meant "no way in hell we're not maxing out the $$$ on your last record, buddy."

The more I sit here and think about it, the cooler it would have been for a big commercial player like Jay-Z to drop a really huge record and say "I'm just gonna let this record rise or fall on its own merits." But I'd guess that what he initially said about it ran into resistance with his "team" i.e. the people who get the records into the stores, into the hands of radio DJs, etc., and he decided to pick his battles.

J0hn, I agree totally. I think Jay-z's vision was blurred by the record execs at Island of Def Jam. He's been there consistent seller the last 6-7 years. It's like their quarterly fanatical reports don't mean nothing until the Jay-z release date is set on the calendar. Especially under circumstances with Def Jam not being the big time seller it has been in pervious years. I think Ludacris is probably their best seller for 2003 (I could be wrong). They need Jay-z to be the Michael Jordan for Def Jam.

I was also intrigued by Jay-z's initial ideas for the Black album. But it seems he's going for more of a victory lap performance, rather than a strong back to the streets performance.

I wish him all the luck in his philanthropist efforts and his move to serious acting. But I feel this is a disappointment to the Jay-z fans who were hoping to see him go back to the roots. I'm actually kinda mad he severed ties with his long time friends Foxy Brown, Jaz-O & Sauce Money. It would have been nice to see him reunite with them individually on a record. Or for that matter get Ja Rule & DMX back in the booth to rehash their days of being Murder Inc. the group. Even his old producer Clark Kent was supposed to be on the album, but is a no show. It's just sad to see what this album could have been.

What up? I see a few other peeps have posted, which is a good thing. First things first. I think the Kobe and Shaq beef is true. I could be wrong, but I just don't see them masterminding a plan like this just to A) make teams sleep on them and/or B) take attention away form the rape case. If anything I think this just adds to the attention of the rape proceedings. Now the reporters are saying "In addition to the rape scandal, Kobe and Shaq are bickering." I think those bammas really don't like each other, like a Best vs. Hillis type of thing. I agree that Shaq was wrong for saying it's his team, even if it really is. For one, it's just a childish way to act and two, Kobe carried that team last year and if he didn't have Kobe and all of these other good players, people would just double and triple team him and shut him down like Rodman did on the solo. That being said, I hope Kobe does leave after this year, because unlike Pippin, I think he (Kobe) could win one on his own. However, I'd love to see this semi dream team play for at least one year. I can't see how the LA Fakers could lose more than 15 and not go all the way. So even though I'm rooting for the Wizards (don't laugh) and my boy Reggie to take it all the way, I concede that the Lakers probably will get it this year. How could they not? Once they start clicking and meshing, I think it's over, especially in a seven game series.

Now let me answer Hillis' 21 questions. 1) How you ain't know what songs I was talking about if you know they albums? I didn't say I know their albums. I've heard them. Believe it or not, it ain't like you can dispute it. 2) How you ain't know what I was talking about when I said Dre sang before? Because I heard any one cd (from track 1 to the last) 3 times max and it was years ago, and I didn't like it thus, I didn't retain the fact that cuz sang. I don't know about you, but usually if I like something I remember more about it; if I dislike it, a good deal of it is dismissed and filed under I didn't like it. I'm not going to remember what the name of the song was or how many verses cuz spit or how many he sung. 3) How you get confused and think I meant he been trying to sing for a while? Because you said he been singing since 1993 or something like that...something remote to that. 4) How you still think he's serious? Because that bamma was. He was on the radio and cuz ain't say not one time that I shouldn't take him serious. How you know the other dude who made "The Way You Move" was serious? I applied the same logic. They made the tracks and performed them and never instructed me to dismiss them as joking or UN-serious. You also said "You must not be really listening and you haven't said anything to make me believe otherwise." But it SEEMS like you fail to realize that I know that I did listen to plenty of Outkast tracks so you're wasting your time, fighting a no win battle trying to argue that I did otherwise. Do you really NOT see the stupidity here? Do you think you can really one day come up with proof stating that I have never heard an Outkast album? And bamma you can hear a whole CD 100 times and not recognize the titles. And there are plenty of people, PLENTY, that read "The Scarlet Letter" years ago who don't remember the plot or letter today. Contradictory to your belief, people can actually read an entire book and then be unable to explain it to you. Especially if they didn't like the book and VERY especially if they read it 3 or 4 years ago. And yeah I lived next door to someone who played Outkast all the time. Maybe you thought I never went in his room and whipped him in Madden and Live 99. My bad for not explaining this. I take the blame for you not knowing, but I went "next door" countless times and was "forced" to hear whatever that bamma and his roommate wanted to play. Today I don't like cuz. FURTHERMORE, I had roommates myself that liked Outkast. You think them clowns ain't pop in a CD that I disliked from time to time, like somebody called DJ Screw as if he were tight or this dude called yuk mouth? LOL that was okay, because afterwards I would school them with some Pac or Double R. Yes, you are more creditable than I when it comes to Outkast. SO FLIPPIN' WHAT? Are you saying therefore you can tell me that this bamma ain't serious when he clearly is and I suppose to belief that crap? Is that what you're saying? Bamma, cuz does not sing like Easy and BIG. Like we both said, he sang on key. And I can't believe you continue to compare that to "Automobile." For one, Auto was and is a funny and great song. Maybe not great, but it's pretty good. Second, you can listen to half a verse of that joint and tell that Easy and them are on joke time. Hey Ya seems serious to me. When did the Source back you up bamma? Copy and paste it or shut up that nonsense. Them bammas also implied that BIG was the best rapper ever. What was that, you ask? Oh, that was their creditability going out the window, MORON. Furthermore, I asked that you try not to read into what I say, mainly because you have trouble doing this; you say what you THINK I'm saying. Just ask and I'll clear it up if I can. So the Champ Bailey talk was YOUR logic. Yeah it was stupid, but it was yours. No, I didn't miss that you said it wasn't your argument, did you miss when I said don't gimmie that bull? If you don't want it to be your argument, don't rebut me with it, dummy. What is (save one)? Champ Bailey said it was his goal to "help this team get a championship next year." He said that when he won Redskin player of the year so there goes some more of your nonsense out the window. And you saying that any song is gonna have singing in it don't mean a thing. If he wanted a song with just rap, he could have put one or two or three or more on there if he didn't. Plus, by your stupid logic, I shouldn't take most of the CD seriously, if he sings on all or most of them. Explain that double talker.

Cuz, I will tear you a new one in Madden. Even if they do cheat. I was up by one point I think with like 40 seconds left. It's 4th and inches, so I figured I'd just let Ramsey do a QB keeper. Why does some bamma on the line jump off sides, making it 4th and five and consequently making me take an L (like I'd give you)? I had to go to the air because Trung be faking and this bamma caught the pass out of bounds. Madden be having me rolling with his comments. He'll say, that was just stupid to run a route short of the first down. And if it's a replay he'll say, okay, he fakes on way, then goes another, he showed his speed and that wasn't even fair what he did to that guy LOL. I know that pushing R2 will make the throw option come down, but he still won't run until you pass the line, it's like he's still looking for someone to throw it to when I already decided that I need to run it.

Shaq is the most dominant; Kobe is a better b-ball player. I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but anybody who is honest, knows that Shaq does a lot of cheating. Okay, cheating ain't the right word, but all anybody would have to do to stop his dunks, is stand in the lane and take the charge. Why don't they do this? Because the refs just let bammas get dunked on, they don't call it. He takes 3 steps with the ball on the regular (be honest) and the refs don't call it. No he doesn't just dunk, it was exaggeration, but you and I know if the refs called it like you are taught, cuz would have a much harder time being the most dominant. Kobe can dunk too, I think he was in the dunk contest. But can Shaq go (outside) and score? BLANK no. Like I said before, one on one, Kobe would win because he has an outside and an inside game. If they played take backs, Kobe could post him up and take the charge if Shaq tried to back it in on him, thus forcing him to take and miss the outside shot. Kobe would get the ball and since he can score from both in and out, it would be curtains (like me vs you...with me the victor). I know this doesn't mean anything because b-ball is a team sport, but one on one just shows who is better. Yes, Shaq shines when you put 4 half decent dudes on the court with him. He doesn't have to create his own shot, or move with the ball. On the defensive end, if you step outside he'll let somebody else pick you up because it's lights out (for him) if he tries to d you up outta the paint. I'm not knocking him because if something works, do it, but one on one I think plenty of NBA peeps (who shoot like 200 shots a day) would dog him (yes, like I'd do you).

And thanx for saying I can still rep the Skins. I think I'ma guarantee a win this Sunday. Naw, I learned my lesson, but I still think we can get it together; but yes, I've stepped away from my 10-6 prediction. H-Wood, does "Black album." Really mean no promotion, no single and all of that. I don't think Jay meant it in this way, but you probably know it better than me and if you heard him say that, I guess cuz lied. But I say that because I see him every now and then talking about it and just today I heard it was going to be moved up from the original release date. Plus, being that it's suppose to or was supposed to drop on the same day as his shoes and on the day after Thanksgiving, that seems like a big marketing plan to me. Let me know. Also H-Wood, I heard but I don't know if it's true, that Jay said he will not make another solo album, but he will make other tracks, I guess for soundtracks or for guest appearances. I gotta roll. Oh yeah, thanx for the Tuna explation. Do y'all watch Playmakers? That's my show.

"Girl, what's yo frequency? And can I come there frequently?" - Andre 3000

Before I murk you, I must admit them Madden comments had me LOL for real! I be ready to throw somethin when them micky fickys be WIDE OPEN and they make my QB throw the ball 20 yds out of bounds and then my receiver gon have the nerve to catch the ball while he next to all the assistant coaches! Madden be havin me rollin, too. He be like "He was tryin to run through the hole, and there was no hole!" or "He was waitin for the play to develop, and BOOM! He got developed!" LMAO! But my boy and I had to pause the game for a minute cause he gained like a yard or two on one play and Madden said, "Well, some yards is better than none yards…" That's the all time classic right there. Playmakers is tight, too. You and that receiver probably got the same dilemma, lol... Nah, just playin. You like that cocaine sandwich eatin DH! But for real, it's tight, even though it's a tad melodramatic. Don't nothin go right for any of em... except they keep winning. But as far as they off field life, you got that gay receiver puttin on a front, that Willbanks character is a (these) bastard(s), coach got cancer, DH on heroin and his boy killed a man and then shot his bro, Leon is Emmit Smith and be hittin on his wife like Billy Dee Williams (Billy Dee Williams? Hittin on women? Say it ain't so!), that linebacker is depressed, the QB knockin off women left and right, but knockin em up, too, and that bald Warren Sapp wanna be O-lineman always whining about no respect... All that money, all that drama. I guess we don't know the pressures that go with 20 million a year (copyright Jerry Maguire)...

Now, I can murk you. Or, really, I guess I should thank you for your last post because you absolutely confirmed what I had been saying all along. When it comes to Outkast, you have no idea what you're talking about AND you finally admitted it. So you heard them 3 or 4 years ago and you have forgotten pertinent facts. How convenient... for me! If someone that read the Scarlet Letter - 2 years ago, 2 days ago, 222 seconds ago - "forgot" any relevant info, it seems they should keep their mouth shut in a debate about the Scarlet Letter. As I said, you either haven't listened to the albums or think hearing them in somebody's room a couple times constitutes having some knowledge about them. Consequently, it was the latter. Ok, you forgot. So in essence, as of now, you don't know much about Kast. Yeah, you heard some albums in a room, but that hardly means you know anything. And you admit this since you have now conveniently (for me) forgotten. Which means you don't know. So again, I obviously haven't forgotten and I do know a lot about Outkast as a staff, record label, and as a muthaflippin crew. WAY more than YOU. Which again shows that if we're going to discuss Andre 3000, what I KNOW holds more wight than what you THINK. Just because you heard some songs 3 or 4 years ago (while you were playing possibly the WORST Madden player ever) is irrelevant to today ESPECIALLY since you have forgotten them. Now, maybe head and gangsta moves are the only hip hop topics to you. Maybe that's YOUR narrow minded vision of hip hop. Maybe. But most hip hop fans don't buy into that garbage. While the topics were humorous, I could tell by the way Eazy and Biggie were singing that they weren't serious, just like with Andre. I've heard and can remember how Andre sings on other songs that I know he is not taking his singing seriously. You know, those songs I mentioned that you forgot about and can't remember the vital details? You see, I don’t know how limited your knowledge of musical notes and basic terms are, but Eazy and BIG do actually sing on key. They're just horrible. Andre 3000, in my opinion, is not as bad, but like both BIG and Eazy, he was having fun. He sings because he enjoys it, and while he ain't tryin to impress with his voice - like (insert R&B singer here) – he IS trying to impress with the actual MUSIC behind the voice. This, even though he isn't trying to SING seriously, is why we can take the SONGS seriously. Now you may try and put your spins on that, but you'll never find where I said that he shouldn't be taken seriously as an artist. I just said his singing wasn’t serious. And I know you like to think that if a sentence has two or three of the same words in them, they can be considered "remotely close," so make sure you watch out for your own stupidity when you reply!

True, I might not remember every track of every album I've ever heard, but I am a huge 2Pac fan. I remember the name of every song and track number that I like. Easily. And I probably remember at least 75% of the few songs I might not like. Still, the fact that I am a fan of Pac is why I know those songs in and out like that. Same with UGK, Three 6, and yes, Outkast. But since you're not a fan, you don't remember any of that. None of the names. And you don't remember any of the songs he's sung on before. You don't know that they've been RAPPING since 1993 (I didn't say they had been singing since 1993, I said rapping – contrary to Qoolout belief, THOSE STATEMENTS AREN’T REMOTELY CLOSE) and that 1998 was their first singing song. You don't know any basics about Outkast, but all of a sudden you become this Andre 3000 expert because you've seen a video and heard an album 3 or 4 years ago that you can't remember. Yeah. Right. (Mutha)FLIP(pin Mike) OUTTA HERE!!! The term "save one" is basically saying "except one." Moving on, let’s say for the sake of argument, SOMEONE (not you) says that "Since I have never met Brad Pitt, he must not exist." So then, I say, "Well, following along with your logic, I have never met your mother, then she must not exist." Now I personally am not making that argument. By expressing a HYPOTHETICAL conclusion based off the same logic, I am just showing the flaw in his logic. You have done the same thing before, so why all of a sudden must I have to personally believe in a statement to use it? Do you really not grasp basic HYPOTHETICAL statements? Is the so called English major unfamiliar with the use of rhetoric? You're not making any sense anymore; probably because your debate skills are a joke!

Your views on Shaq ain’t clear! Well, they are. But they aren’t. I mean I know you SAY Shaq cheats/walks/charges the majority of the time, but please don’t tell me you actually believe that is a valid argument. Again, I ask how Shaq can get away with walking and charging for 10 years in the league?! All the refs have to do is bla, blah, blah... How bout you take that JOKE of an argument back to DC and come up with one someone should actually pay attention to. I’m ready to debate, but I just want to make sure that's really your argument.

I know nothing of the Black album controversy or what a Black album implies, so I won't comment. Now, What More Can I Say is good, but it ain't muphukkin flames like I hoped. But I’m sure Black Album should be good. Hopefully better than Blueprint 2 (NICCA)! But just a general topic, what are the 20 sickest beats you ever heard? I know that’s tough, but if I say hip hop beats would that make it easier? LOL! Probably not, true, but try and narrow it down. I was gonna say 10, but I felt that was too hard to narrow down, since we talking about at least 15 years of beats for most of us!

H*WOOD, when Tennessee comes to FLA, all we do is win (i.e. Vols vs. Gators, Canes and Titans vs. Dolphins, Jaguars)! Where’s FLA STATE and TAMPA at?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! The only thing that ruined this weekend was that Seattle choked against the Redskinnies.

I'm out like the Cowboys handing Champ Bailey a ferocious L. Peace!

Careful Hillis or trife will come in here to explain how only college kids like Outkast and Andre is the worst thing to happen to hip-hop...ever!

(I like both discs on the new Outkast but agree with people who say the Big Boi disc is deeper)

Depends on how you mean "deeper." It's more complicated, but The Love Below is way more listenable.

But someone said something great to me the other day about Outkast... "It's a shame the best artists in hip hop aren't interested in making hip hop anymore." I hear that so loud.

Cuz, you summed up Playmakers better than the real producers could, lol. You and that washed up running back got the same problem: no play time. You know they copied that club incident with cuz getting shot from Ray Lewis, right? I used to watch Wild and Crazy Kids on Nick back in the day, and because of that, I couldn't take your boy (Omar) serious. When I saw him in Baby Boy, he did some real good acting, but I just could not buy it; I was laughing at that bamma. It's a line that says "I borrow money from my girl; it just tear me up inside," LOL, and that man just looks up in the air like he is having a moment. But his DH character is making me forget about Wild and Crazy Kids. That show (Playmakers) has some overall good acting and I agree that they are a little over the top. But whenever we watch it somebody will say, "I wonder if that really happens." For real, you never know unless you played or had some ties with the NFL. It might be like that behind the scenes I'm mad this is the last episode this week. Does it come on again next season?

Cuz, I wanted to slam a hammer into my PS2. I just took an L to ATL. They made Vick WAYYYY too good. I mean in real life he is a great player, but this bamma is like Superman on that game. You had me cracking up talking about how they catch passes next to the coaches. I don't know if you and your peeps play with challenges on, but if you really want to see some cheating, play that way. I had Trung running that joint and he got hit. He fell down, hit the turf and THEN the ball popped out. I challenged that joint and they showed it clear as day, but didn't reverse it. And then Madden rubs it in with his wisecracks. If they do reverse it he'll say "See the challenge rule was made to right a wrong. That call was wrong and they just made it right," LOL. That clown. Then one time I looked at the replay to see if I wanted to challenge it and afterwards when I tried to challenge the call, they said "you can't challenge after viewing the replay." LOL, that's the same way the real coaches do it.

This joint had me cracking up: If someone that read the Scarlet Letter - 2 years ago, 2 days ago, 222 seconds ago - "forgot" any relevant info, it seems they should keep their mouth shut in a debate about the Scarlet Letter. I don't know why you continue to pursue an argument. You know more about Outkast than I do. I admit it. I thought this was common knowledge, but now I've typed it for you. If you hear and listen to a song any time in your life, then you have heard and listened to said song. You can think otherwise and I'll think this way. You can think that song was hip-hop and I'll think it ain't. Why do you still want to bicker about it. Young, I don't like them clowns. Sure everybody else does, but I'm not feeling them; you ain't ever gonna get me to so just shut it up. When I spoke about the head and gangsta moves I said that there is more to hip-hop. Don't try to sneak that bull in there about maybe that's all I think there is to hip-hop. You are really reaching. I was just telling you that as soon as you hear the song talking about brains and bangin' you PROBABLY can guess that it's hip-hop. Man, if you keep on, I'ma have to put you on a post ban, LOL. Then it's just gonna be you on here missing me like P and Silk was missing their homies. And Easy was not on key. Outkast was. And if I played the three songs to someone who doesn't listen to hip-hop which one do you think they will say sounds like a REAL R&B song? And which two do you think they will say has an artist joking while singing? Bamma, don't answer on here; just think about it and be honest. What? A wannabe lawyer being honest? Or even Hillis being honest? Yeah, I know it ain't gonna happen. You are unable to realize that a non-Outkast fan will think that cuz is singing an R&B song. If you hear Easy and probably BIG for the first time, you can tell they are joking, by pitch and by the lyrics. I (ME)(QOOL), do not get that effect when I hear Hey Ya. Yes, I forgot what the songs were about but I didn't forget that I did not enjoy them. And plenty of their songs happen to be about NOTHING (you even remotely admitted this) so me forgetting ain't really saying nothing. Back of the Bus, please. So now you are saying cuz, sings because he enjoys it, but I shouldn't take him serious because he is not trying to impress me and you know this because you have been a fan for a long time? LOL, okay. That SEEMS to be the gist of what you are saying. Now I get it. Okay, you were right, you win. Seriously, you win, disregard all I've said, no need to continue. Oh yeah, maybe you don't know what remotely means. MAYBE. The way you are trying to explain how sentences aren't related makes it SEEM like you don't know what the blank you are talking about. Bamma if the 1st 12 words are the same the sentences are similar (IN THIS CASE). Does anybody other than Hillis disagree with that?

Moving on, let me point out once again, how you just sound stupid. If you tell me cuz has been singing for a long time, and then tell me that cuz 1st cd came out in 93, what am I supposed to think? I don't know how long he has been singing, but guess what. I DON'T CARE. I don't care if he came out the womb singing "It's Raining Men" while Billy Ocean was writing "Automobile." It SEEMS like you are trying to catch me saying something wrong when it comes to Outkast trivia. I don't like them, no, I don't know as much as you do about them, and if I got a year wrong or said an incorrect tittle, my bad. But I know I heard Hey Ya and that crap should be able to stand alone. Saying that my knowledge about them is little, has nothing to do with it. I heard that song and you can't take that away, JACK. And I didn't know the names of the songs, because I never picked up the CD, or the booklet and tried to find out the names. It wasn't that I forgot the names, I never knew, and to my surprise, I didn't lose any sleep over not knowing. If you hear a Pac CD and you don't look at the disc or the case, you won't be sure of the names either. Your Brad Pitt bull was nonsense. See, you said the Champ bull as a rebuttal to my argument, THAT'S why that crap wasn't viewed as HYPOTHETICAL.

If you think Shaq doesn't walk (take 3 steps with the ball) (A WHOLE LOT) and charge (A WHOLE LOT) then never mind. Maybe you don't watch him as much as I assumed. Either way, never mind.

Lastly, "What More Can I Say" is Flippin' Flames. I kinda feel like that's Em style a lil, but I'm not sure yet. I gotta hear it some more. But my guess is that that's gonna be the best track on the album. Just a guess. Dag, The Eagles won. McNabb is the truth, but I wanted them fools to lose. Hillis, you know that was a great, yes GREAT, play that the Skins did. QB throws to the WR, WR throws to the HB, HB gets the TD, RS gets the W. An announcer said Steve drew up that play years ago in Florida and he finally got it to work, lol.

"I'd like to say that I'd love to make love to every molecule of you, and spontaneously combust, that's what we'll do in unison..." - Andre 3000

First and foremost, I must say that Qoolout, if you truly believe that I think Champ Bailey doesn't want to win a Super Bowl, you're a complete dumb ass. I made it very clear that I don't really believe that Champ doesn't want to win a Super Bowl. I explicitly said that. I clearly said it was a hypothetical argument based off your logic AND that I don't truly believe it, but I mentioned it in the hopes that you would see the flaw in your logic. But for some unknown reason, you believe that I think Champ Bailey doesn't want the Redskins to win a Super Bowl. And for that, you are a complete dumb ass.

Now that we have established that you are the dumb ass, we can move on... move on to your LIES! Lies! Lies! All lies! Like you saying that I said they been singing since 1993! I never said that! I said rapping! RAPPING! Rapping since 1993! I said they sang first in 1998! And I said that was on ONE song on the whole album! I also never said they had been singing for a "long time" either. I said they had sung before The Love Below! Where are you getting your material? Not from anything I posted because everything you claim I said is far from what I say. You can CLAIM that they are remotely close, but you are not at all remotely close. You're just flat out lying about things I said! For someone who complains about me supposedly twisting your words and meanings, you sure don't have a problem doing it to me, and then claiming that you were remotely close to what I said. NEGRO PLEASE! And another complete lie is that I "remotely" admitted that "a lot of" their songs are about nothing. LMAO! I never said that! I never said anything REMOTELY CLOSE to that! You asked me the point of So Fresh So Clean and I told you. You asked me the point of Rosa Parks (Back of the Bus) and I said I ain't know. That's ONE song! ONE song out of at least 100! So since I couldn't tell you the exact point of ONE song, therefore, "a lot" of their songs are about nothing?! LOL! You're a joke! ONE flippin song?! ONE?! LMAO! Look, MORON, you need to take these lies and try em on some bammas you know in DC! If you're honest with yourself, you'd scroll up and see that I, as well as the majority of posters, have stated that Outkast is one of the few hip hop groups who actually rap about something. So where you got they rap about nothing is baffling, because you sure as hell ain't get it from me!

And while admitting that I know more than you about Outkast is, well, I don't know what it is, but you (as usual) missed the point. The point is actually that you don't know jack about Kast! Knowing more than you isn't really saying much because the fact that you think Andre 3000 was seriously singing shows you know nothing about Andre 3000. All those songs I mentioned - everything - should actually clue you in to the fact that you're clueless! If I wanted you to trip up over Outkast trivia, it wouldn't be hard since you admittedly know very little! Forgotten songs, forgotten meanings, forgotten this, forgotten that, whatever, blah, blah, blah... You may not know the names, but if you had a clue of Kast, you'd at least admit you know that Andre has sung before Hey Ya. And you would at least remember that there where songs where Andre 3000 doesn't sing seriously - that is, if you had a credible amount of knowledge like you claim (i.e. continue to lie about). You don't know jack about Kast; why do you think you know somethin from one song? You admittedly know little; why when someone who knows WAY more than you tells you what's REALLY up, you try and come up with all types of reasons you're right? YOU ARE WRONG! If someone who didn't know Kast heard Hey Ya, they may think it was R&B or not think it was hip hop, but I hardly think they would believe he was serious. But ask yourself if they were familiarized with other songs where Andre 3000 sings (like Slum Beautiful, I'll Call Before I Come, Roses, Prototype), would they believe he was seriously trying to sing? Well, I guess it's unfair to ask you that since YOU DON'T KNOW THOSE SONGS! lol... bamma!

Mickyfickin Redskins won! La di freakin da! Yeah, that play was mad tight. I'm thinkin about drawin it up for our flag football team! And by the way we have caught 2 Ls after winning our first game in a blow out. Last minute, close Ls, mind you, but alas, Ls nonetheless. The first game we was up by 20 and they score a couple of meaningless touchdowns after the game was no longer in doubt. The second game we was trippin. They had one good play and that was a long bomb on the first play which got em on the 5 yd line and they scored eventually. Then we shut em down and they got a field goal because we turned it over in our own territory. But we threw 3 interceptions and was down only 10-6, but they got some first downs and ran out the clock. Then our 3rd game was some BS. Half my team was nowhere to be found. I had to pick up some bammas that happened to be there and we got beat by the worst team ever. 2nd worse, cause that assembly I had dropped every pass I threw. And they wouldn't just drop em. The bammas would have it bounce off they chest and into somebody else chest for an INT, messin up my stats. We was gettin served 17-0, but we scored two quick TDs and it was 17-14, but they got some first down and ran the clock out, too. We bought to get back on this winning track and make a playoff push on Wednesday and Thursday, (big) baby.

Post ban! You can't put me on a post ban, dummy, because I was the first to tell folks to go get Best a map! And instead of talking about stuff you claim Shaq does a lot, but is mysteriously rarely called for, why don't you discuss what actually happens on the court? If you're gonna be fair and honest, you should say Kobe walks and travels a lot, too. Don't say Shaq charges and walks, but decide to overlook all the 2 guards who travel when they drive just to prove a point!

Aiyo, check it, Andre 3000 and Big Boi need to quit that nonsense about not doin hip hop know more. I copped that XXL and heard Dre might be puttin the mic down for real! I was not happy about that, but he gotta do Dre, so I guess I'll just have to look elsewhere for that funk soul type entertainment. Now I don't think either album is deeper, because Big Boi gets a little deeper than Andre and Andre is more "out there" than "deep" but I would actually say Big Boi's disc is more listenable, simply because I ain't always in the mood for Andre's singing. Well, unless it's Prototype or Valentine's Day...

lol @ Trife? What happened to that man? And damn near everybody else that was postin?

I'm out like Daddy Fat Sax might be. Peace!

"Heyyyyy Yahhhhh, Heyyyyyy Yaahhhhh"-A Prince Remix...oops I mean Andre 3000

What's good niggaz...looks like everything is back to normal...you dudes are still disputing ya asses off...also looks like I STILL remain on someone's mind...**shaking my head**....homo....Well since this is a hiphop based thread I thought I'd speak on a couple of hip hop issues. Number 1) Jay Z has finally stopped depending heavily on production and actually starting concentrating on lyrics, and therefore after thoroughly listening to THE BLACK ALBUM...I can honestly say it's his second best work and easily of classic status. Number 2) Why in the hell is Andre "Ice Cold" 3000 trying to be a R&B artist after all these years? What motivated this? He was the south's ONLY lyricist, and now he's trying to hit high notes...what next....he's going to bleach his skin..."The Artist Formely Known" ass nigga. Number 3) Why now is Ja Rule trying so desperately to "clap back"...I mean the whole WORLD has pulled your wanksta card...I think it's a little too late for that...don't you guys think? Number 4) Why does Mr. "ENEMIEEEES and HENNESEEEEYYY" have a movie coming out...damn let his carcus rest in piss..oops I mean peace...he already has like 1134654641313 movies and documentaries...why do we need another? And by the way...Frank White murdered him on his own shit. Number 5) The top 3 albums of 2003 are Jay Z's THE BLACK ALBUM, Kanye West's The Bootleg version of COLLEGE DROPOUT, Sheek's WALK WIT ME(yeah this is a gimmie, but I'm feelin this joint)....and last but definitely not least Number 6) Yall know I can't leave out the GOAT...Nas's LOST TAPES 2 is due late December...and just like the first one...I sense classic all the way.

That should do it for me....I'm gone

"Time is MONEY when it comes to mine"-Nas

"Money, money, money, my bitch is my money!" - Nasty Nazz

I forgot to discuss my new favorite topic on here... Madden. Vick's skills be killin me. That nigga got a 95 on speed and his throws be super accurate, whether he's under pressure or on the run. My boy used to serve me when we first got the game cause he would roll around for insane amounts of time or just scramble for 60 yds. I finally figured out that I got to keep my corners up and see if he can throw over them. But still, if I bring an all out blitz he just runs around it! Bull ish! I was also pissed that I couldn't look at a replay before challenging it, either. But I found out on accident. After the play, I got pissed and dropped the controller and the replay shit came on. So then I decide to challenge it and it wouldn't let me. If Madden had walked through the door right then, he'd have got his ass fucked up, for real!

Omar Gooding is a real good actor. But I got yo back on his lighter days. Don't forget Hangin with Mr. Cooper and Smart Guy and all the family roles he played. But DH got me forgettin about all that soft stuff. But his role in Baby Boy? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Everybody I know said he was just a lil too hard in that movie. Now, I heard 2Pac was who they envisioned in Tyrese's role. I'm sorry, but Baby Boy was horrible and it had nothin to do with who played the lead character. When Omar clicked on that bitch for no reason when he was tryin to sell that dress? And why couldn't ole girl get Snoop out her crib? And why was Tyrese in that womb? And how them bitches gon let Omar talk crazy to em in they house? And why them lil niggas just take Tyrese's bike after Tyrese got bold with em? I was rollin durin the whole movie. Ving Rhames was HILARIOUS! Cookin naked, fuckin Tyrese's mom, and my favorite was when he choked Tyrese. LMAO! But anyway, did you see the Playmakers season finale? That QB be havin me rollin. He's the biggest asshole, but he be so funny about it. And did you see where that lil team manager went off on him? That shit was pure comedy. But the finale was hilarious cause that QB was like "Hold up, hold up, the Phoenix game ain't over yet................ but it's pretty damn close!" and he went skippin around with that wine bottle! HA HA HA HA HA!!! But then that fake Vick scored the game winner while they was watchin the TV and I KNEW that shit was comin. I KNEW they wasn't bout to make the playoffs! I saw it a mile away. I told you! They was too happy so I knew somethin bad had to be comin and the show was bout to go off and that was the only bad thing left that could happen... lol!

Dun comes back to blah blah blah about Nas and can't even recognize when he's bein made fun of, lol MORON!

I'm out like dun. Peace!

"Okay! Holy moly derriere, look around the club booty everywhere..." - Obie Trice

How the hell is she yo friend when you don't know if she got kids?! That's right, young Hillis is here. Or old Hillis, depending on YOUR age - ANYWAY... I just picked up The Black Album. H*WOOD sparked my interest when he was givin his input and knowledge about the origin of any propsed "Black" album and J0hn gave his views on it. Plus when H*WOOD mentioned no promotions, no singles, no videos, me being the 2Pac fan immediately thought of how cold Makaveli was. Qoolout gave me the singles Change Clothes and What More Can I Say, and both of them were aiight. But I was still hesitant because of all the nonsense that went on with Jay BEFORE this album - specifically the whole Jay-Z/Nas throwdown.

When Jay and Nas went at each other, the beef was helped by the fact that they put out two classic albums to coincide with their battle. So then BP2 came out, and it was a double disc, so it was pretty much doomed, but still, you had to at least listen to it. And I did. It was a terrible album. It had some cuts, but not enough to sustain a double disc. And even the few good tracks would have made a subpar CD, anyway. Now God's Son was wack, but what else is to be expected with Nas? I mean, "I Can" might have been the worst track to video song of 2003. But Jay, even though Nas seems to get to him, as evidenced by the BP2 diss track, should still be able to put out a better album, since Nas is notorious for wack albums. So I was about to write Jay off, but lo and behold - even BEST said it was tight! Nchekwube! The man said Jay hasn't put out a good album since RD and that anyone who said Jay's career wasn't over was a (lol) "cockblower." So if BEST of all people is calling Black Album nice after the way he has dissed Jay, I had to give it a shot.

And I must admit, it's tight. H*WOOD, even though the Neptunes do more than track, it's only two, and "Allure" makes up for "Change Clothes." Plus, even Juts Blaze and Kanye are only on once. On a side note, it's funny how you can tell each producer's song before you even know. Like Kanye, Blaze, Tim, and the Neptunes. Anyway, Tim's song is straight, but first off, I'm feeling "Allure," "Threat" (Ced the Entertainer is on it as a fake pimp and he be havin me rollin), "Lucifer," "Moment of Clarity" (the Em produced song) and "99 Problems." The album as a whole is solid, but time will tell if it's another BP1, RD, or Volume 2. Lyrically, it reminds more of BP1 than RD, but that's not neccessarily a bad thing, being how BP1 and RD (in my opinion) are even.

Moving on, I been givin Ready to Die a re-listen and I forgot that I sort of dig the actual song "Ready to Die." I can listen to it. I also re-listened to Gimme the Loot and while I find it somewhat amusing, I just can't dig the beat or BIG's rap style.

I asked about the 20 sickest beats, and I can't even get my OWN list together!

I'm out like Jay-Z... supposedly. Peace!

Dummy, you said Champ may not want the Skins, to win, not that Super Bowl nonsense. And either way, you were the one who typed that nonsense. Thus, no way can you give Qoolout the credit for it. You can scream it's hypothetical like Pac screamed about the Hen, but when you rebut it, and defend it, your "hypotheticalness" is lost (like you would be vs. me in anything bamma). Moving on, I said, I may have got the dates wrong about when your boy started to sing. 93, 98 who cares? I was wrong. Feel better? I know I already said this, but maybe you missed it. I say this because your last rant only addressed that "I was wrong." These dummies. Cuz, I don't care how long cuz has been singing. He sung on Hey Ya, and he was dead serious. Show me where he said he wasn't serious. Tell me when in 93, my bad 98 did he say, I'm not serious. Shut up. All you proved is that you are the bigger Outkast fan. Duh, look at your name, I already knew that. Young, you won, let's move on, you won. Oh yeah, I was exaggerating with "a lot." But you could argue that I was wrong when I said you said "a lot." So I'll save you the trouble, no you never said "a lot." But a lot of their joints are pointless. Yeah bamma, dispute that. "Back of the Bus," that's it? Out of over 100 tracks, that's the only pointless one? I don't care if everybody on this joint said it, that don't make it true. And bamma, you are still trying to school me on Outkast trivia. Bro, I could careless. I didn't say I forgot the meanings, and I didn't say I forgot the names. I said I never knew them or even cared. If, I'm in a room and a bamma throws in a compact disc and hits play, how am I supposed to know the titles? If I don't like it, why would I remember that somebody sung on it and how would I even know it was Outkast and not a guest? You speak pure 100% uncut raw nonsense. Yeah, I know little about Outkast and I'd like to keep it that way, so these random Outkast facts that you spit out, are wasted on a brother like me; save it for someone who cares. Shaq walks way more than Kobe. I'm not saying Kobe travels, you are. If I use logic, I'd conclude that Kobe probably has gotten away with the "no calls" before since plenty of other people do. But when I'm just watching a game, I notice Shaqs traveling and charging because it's so blatant. If you think they are on the same level when it comes to that, I don't know what to tell you. I ain't never ever seen Kobe hack a bamma or foul out and then blame the refs. Honestly, I've seen people besides Shaq do this, but not Kobe. Speaking of him, I saw a E! Hollywood joint and it said Shaq "smacked" Kobe one day in practice. LOL, did anybody else hear this a long time ago, because this was the first time I heard it? What up Best? I heard that Pac movie was pretty good. I'm gonna try to go see it today. Donnie Simpson (to those of you who know him) was on the radio today and he said he loved Pac, but in the movie, they show a shot of Donnie, at a certain point where it makes him look like he was against Pac. So I'm just clearing it up. Oh yeah, B.I.G's verse was on another song with Pac, not on the joint they are playing now, so naw, he ain't murk him. I think they mixed it to where it is one song, but originally those were two different songs. Moving on, that Baby Boy stuff had me rolling over lol'in. When they took his bike...aww man, funny does not describe it. But what about when baby Boy was fighting his mother's boyfriend? That bamma went into his room and held his jaw, LOL. He said "I got heat for peeps like you" and then ended up crying. Or when he had him in that choke hold and licked his head? I know you mentioned that but I had to mention it again. I can't see Pac playing that role; I just can't see it. In fact, I think John Singleton just said it was for Pac, to hype it up. I believe he wrote that movie after Pac was already dead. Just my thoughts. Unlike you Hill, I thought the Playmakers bammas was going to the playoffs. It was about to go off, so I thought there was nothing else to happen. But when they showed that fake Vick, I knew it was over too. LOL, I've seen every episode and I sit there with my girl and try to explain to her how most of that stuff really happened. Like the gay receiver; it was bamma that admitted to being gay in the NFL, but he ain't say so until he retired. And that QB was accused of being gay, they got that story from a MLBabseball dude. And I already spoke on Ray Lewis and DH. Who did you say the RB was? Emmit? LOL, I didn't make that connection, I thought they just made him up outta nowhere. I ain't got the Black Album yet, but I'll speak on it when I do get it. But I do hate "Change your clothes." They should have called that "Excuse Me Miss part 2...or 3." I'm not a beat person, so it's now way I could give you 20. I'll try a few each time I post. I got three this time: The "I Got Five On It." I don't know if that was a remake, but whatever song you put to that beat will be tight. The beat Pac had with "Until the End of Time," and "Pain."

"When I come back like Jordan wearin the 4-5, it ain't to play games with you, it's to aim at you, probably maim you..." - Jay-Z

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that Black Album is fire. That and Luda is all I listen to. "Allure" is my favorite cut on the disc, but Lucifer is flames and What More Can I Say" has grown on me. "My 1st Song" is flames and I can't help it, but I love Change Clothes. Yeah, this album might be 5 mics - at least 4 1/2. I also need to backtrack on a couple earlier statments. I said Kanye and J Blaze was only on there once, but I don't know where I got that from. Kanye does 2 and JB at least three.

I was playin my boy in Madden and he beat me on some nonsense. With Vick, of course! I just wanna know why when other QBs get a little pressure they throw the ball all over the place, but Vick? Oh naw! Vick had 3 dudes in his face AND he was backpeddlin and on 4th and 10 delivers a PERFECT strike to Finneran for about 25 yards!!! I bought lost it. Then, the ultimate BS happened. He threw this pass and you know how when they leap up and you be like, "Oh, it's an INT!" Well, my safety did the leap... AND THE MICKY FICKY MISSED!!! I had to leave the room before I strangled somebody! Peerless Price caught the pass and scored. Even my boy knew it was some nonsense.

Foolout, you're a Mr. Wendle bamma. Why is it that when I put "seems" as my disclaimer, it's not allowed; however, you can ramble out a bunch of lies, and then feel like it's ok to submit these lies as long as you acknowledge that you may be wrong? That's the same thing I did with "seems" but oh, no, Hillis can't do X, but Qool can do X. Somehow, I have to go and find where he said he wasn't serious, but you DON'T have to go find where he says he WAS! NEGRO PLEASE! That's why you're a joke; you don't even follow your own dumb ass rules!

Another thing, you keep admitting you don't know jack about Kast and we've gone over this a million times, true; so why are you arguing about Kast? You admittedly know nothing - but miraculously know this one subject inside out! Dude, before you argue about a topic, you have to have some type of knowledge on said topic. I'm sitting here telling you songs where Andre sings and is CLEARLY not serious - but you don't even know what I'm talking about! And since you don't know them, you somehow feel it's ok to disregard these songs. So, we're supposed to dismiss all my knowledge about Kast and forget that you ADMITTEDLY know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! NOTHING, Qool? NOTHING? You admittedly know NOTHING, but you're all of a sudden an expert on Hey Ya? Seriously, YOU are 100% pure uncut raw nonsense. You might be the only person I (don't) know who would say they know minimal about a topic, but try and debate it like they wrote the proverbial book on it!

Flippin the script, YOU tell me what Outkast songs have no point. In fact name one other than Rosa Parks (i.e. Back of the Bus). And FYI, "Back of the Bus" has a point. Both their verses focus on the fact that they gotta stay new and innovative and not become bogged down in stereotypical, carbon copy hip hop. Where they got the chorus from, I don't know, but the song itself clearly has focus. You may have missed that in all your bashing, because you clearly only know the chorus, as evidenced by you keep referring to the song as "Back of the Bus."

Dawg, I can listen to Shaq gettin away with charges, but travellin? Hardly. If you actually watch, guards are VERY blatant with travelling (and carrying, by the way) - Kobe included. But it happens so fast for the refs that it's tough to call.

Quit all this double talkin, dummy!

I'm out like Playmakers. Peace!

I'm not a fan of the Black Album. Before I made a judgment I listened to it all week just to give it a chance. My perspective on this is that he's looking to push units despite what he said in Moment of Clarity. He's more on a retrospective level, and not really connecting with his struggles like he did on RD. He tried this same formula on BP1, and I didn't like that either. The point I'm trying to make is, for about the last 4 albums or so he's been selling us the same stories, but its just rapped up in a different CD case every year.

It's like a retarded kid getting fooled by his parents, by getting the same gift every year for his B-Day. The kid is unaware that his parents are giving the same gift every year. He just sees its rapped in a different gift box, and figures its new. That's how I feel about Jay-z's career since probably 1999-To the present.

I'm probably being harsh on the album. But as a swan song for Jay-z to end on, I figure he would have given birth to a real classic, or at least an effort that showed he was trying to go out like a champ.

I didn't like Allure, and in my opinion it did not make up for Change Clothes (Or as Qool called it Excuse Me Miss Pt. 1 & 2, lol). The extra harmonizing during the bridge by the background singers wasn't needed (Chad Hugo needs to rework writing his hooks also). I did like the piano ballad playing then with the base coming in to help support the hook. But it was just him retracing his vows to not fuck around with hustle game, but the allure of it keeps urging him back (Which we have heard a million times). Briefly he jumps into his story about the time he strapped his girl with work which he told on You Must Love Me. I liked that part cause he put a summary for those people who didn't hear the story previously. But overall Biggie gave birth to one of the most overused tactics in rap. Everyone is a crack dealer, and everyone seems to have an urge to still sell crack. I'm not knocking their hustle (No Pun), but we have heard this side of the game before. It just gets old after a while. It was fine when Biggie did it, yeah it was okay when Jay-z did it on RD. But what is this...2003, like I said we've heard the story before. The songs I was feeling was Justify My Thug, I'm happy Jay opened some eyes to DJ Quick's production. He's an Emcee's Producer, by that I mean, when you hear his beats. The beats allow for the lyrics to be heard, and not overlapped like most producers do. The way he was dropping old cliche's, and flipping them up to a Thugs way of saying it. That had me put that track on repeat a few times. Yall noticed how he addressed the rumors on him getting slapped by Julez Santana a few months ago?

"I ain't never been smacked and a nigga better keep his hand to himself, or get clapped for what's under that Man's belt."

Kinda sounds like he was denying the claim in the verse, but the verdict is still out on wither he was slapped or not... **The Rocafella office grows quiet!**

Moment Of Clarity is the realest shit he has made in a while (Outside of the sellout part). I like the word play he did with Common (Sense), plus paying a minor shout out to the Underground...well sort of. I hadn't seen Rick Rubin do a Hip-Hop record for a while, and I noticed some rock influence in that 99 Problems too. That beat kinda took it back to the good ol' days of the late 80's with the neck snapping baseline.

Is it just me or does Jay-z's mom sound like a dude? WTF was they doing letting her in the booth and talk on the hook? It threw the song off. Why couldn't they just have her speak in the into of the song, or say something at the end?

I like What More Can I Say, the Buchannons are pretty good on that track.

I give this a 7.5 out of 10. It's above average, but not an overachieving effort. If I was to compare albums overall. This is behind RD by miles. Blueprint had a vibe through the whole album, which BP2 lacked...It was all over the place. But the Black Album is more like the real sequel to the Blueprint. It keeps a good dark vibe about 80% of the record. it's a good effort, but you would want to expect more.

How yall feel about him owning the New Jersey nets? Will they let a Rapper own an NBA team?? If it happens, expect David Stern to have a mandatory drug test on a week by week basis for the Nets, lol! They haven't seen so much weed & hoes since Wilt Chamberlain was in the league! Damn!!!

Bamma, I ain't set no rules on here. You have to tell me when cuz said he wasn't serious because otherwise...he is serious. When you listen to Beyonce' or Billy Ocean or just about anybody else, you are supposed to ASSUME they are serious. So with your hero, I did just that; until you can tell me when he said otherwise, this is the end of that discussion.  And on the for real, I have listened to that Hey Ya joint about 10 times this week, from start to end and I'm lost.  What is it about anyway? You asked for one besides Rosa Parks (Back of the Bus) so there ya go. And why is it called Rosa Parks? How about another? The Way You Move. Dogg, I'm dead serious, I listened to it every time it came on the radio this week and I conclude that he ain't speaking about nothing. To my surprise, the hook to it is catchy, and after hearing "Hey Ya" over half a dozen times I gotta say that hook is catchy too. But I still don't like em' and they still ain't talking about anything. I can't pick up the phone, call my boy and be like "Did you here that Outkast song about XY and Z" because dude is just singing with no point.  How about some more? Pick up Beyonce's CD, one of them is on there rhyming without a point. After that, pick up Monica's CD. Her song is pretty good until they come in. And even thought I don't like their part(s), one of them (I THINK) is making a point, while the other is talking about a milkman or mailman. If you like that kind of rap that's you, but why must I embrace it? You probably like that skeet skeet song too, don't you? LOL, you probably want Under Construction 2 don't you? Moving on, like I said, Vick on Madden is like Superman. thus, for now on, when I play anybody other then the computer, that my team, lol. If you can't beat em joint em. I had one of my CB's come in on a blitz to sack this bamma. Guess what. He had him wrapped up and all and I'm thinking he's about to be sacked. The QB then proceeds to stiff arm (a man that already has him in his grasp) and knocks him to the turf. Then he ran about twenty yards. He ain't that good. Speaking of Vick, does anybody think he should play this season? At first I said yeah because (as far fetched as it may be) if they would have won EVERY remaining game, they would have been in the playoffs. but now, they have no shot at the post season, even if they do run the table so I think he should just sit out this year completely and wait until 2004. And since their season is now pointless (like Hey Ya) they might as well take all them L's and get a nice draft pick. What do y'all think?

Okay, now I have Jay-Z, but I ain't get a chance to listen to it, so stay tuned.  Or is it tooned?  Moving on, I don't wanna be the boy who cried wolf, or in my case the Man (Hill, your case would be the toddler) since I spoke on Shaq's cheating and the Titans cheating to go to the S-Bowl that time.  Some people said I was wrong, whatever about that, but the Skins really really did get cheated.  They stopped Steven Davis from getting in the end-zone and made him cough up the ball.  However, the stupid refs review it and say that it ain't enough evidence to support what I just said.  I don't know how many of you all watch the Skins, but if you watch Inside the NFL or your local Sunday highlights, you'll see that my boys got cheated.  Moving back, what did I say I might be wrong about Hillis?  Outkast's history, past and present?  Yeah so what?  THE DIFFERENCE IS that you were wrong about what was in my head.  It ain't up for debate because "I know better than you." THE DIFFERENCE IS I told you how I really felt and you refused to accept that or admit you were incorrect. If Outkast says, "I'm joking on Hey Ya, I'll be the 1st person to post and be a man and say I was wrong. THE DIFFERENCE IS Outkast is up for debate, because you may know more, but you don't know all, and you nor I really know if cuz is serious.  Yeah I know Hey Ya on the expert level. LOL, joking about expert, but I don't have to know what cuz did in 93 to judge THIS ONE SONG.  You can cry about knowing everything about them all you want, from here to across the street, we ain't on that.  We are on HEY YA. In school, my teachers would have us read an entire book and then we'd just focus on one part of it. She may say, don't worry if you haven't finished the whole book, make sure you've read this part; we're just going to focus on pages 81- 88. Brother man, I don't know who told you this false information, but you don't need to know a subject from cover to cover just to talk about ONE ASPECT of it. Maybe in some cases, but not in this case.

H-Wood, I like the analogy about Jay-Z and a retarded child. I'm mad I didn't think of something like that first, lol. However, I think that since I got hip to Jay-Z after he was like 3 or 4 albums in, I never felt that way. I do believe that some of his songs sound alike and there are probably more that I haven't heard that are even more similar. Maybe that's why he is getting outta the game. Maybe he realized the same thing you said and was like "It's time I hang it up." As for him owning the Nets, this is the 1st I've heard about it. I doubt it will happen, because if it was that easy to get, I think other celebrities would have already beat him to it. I did hear that Puff wanted to buy the Knicks. And what you said about it being 2003, I think you can say that for most peeps. Like you said, we heard about people slangin and bangin since back in the day. It's 2003 and rappers are still talking about "what was already talked about." That's why I can't get into most of the people that are out at the present time. Ludacris, what is he telling me that I ain't already hear in the 90's? Ying Yang Twins, what are they bringing to the game that wasn't already here? If you are gonna repeat it, at least do THAT different. And I think Jay does do that, meaning he'll say it again without making it sound the same. I'm dying for some new rap that's gonna make me nod my head again. Lastly, what's up with Em and the Source exposing him like that? I heard somebody on the radio say, we should be mad when any rapper says what Em said. Oh, and to respond to Best. I think Ja had to at least try to "Clap Back" because when he was silent, that didn't work; he got clowned. So he had to try another avenue. Why do people hate cuz all of a sudden?

As for my next three beats, I like Pac's joint on "I Ain't Mad At Ya" Jay-Z's "There's been a Murder," and even thought y'all gonna laugh, Destiny's Child "Survivor." Tell me that beat ain't flames!

I kid you not Qool, he really is trying to buy the Nets, check it out:

http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=2579

I think the reason you don't see celebs buying teams left & right is cause they are usually not interested in doing the extra work like that. It just doesn't seem like celebs want any part of owning teams. I read up on most of these owners and guys like the Maloof brothers (Sacramento Kings), they are just Casino owners. Some of these other guys inherited the team from their fathers like Mike Brown from his father Paul (Bengals). Georgia Frontier got St. Louis Rams because her husband who owned them died. Then you got teams that are owned by companies like New Jersey, and a few others. I'm guessing Jay-z won't be buying up the whole team. He'll probably have investment partners, but I think it is possible for him to at least own a big part of the team on a financial stand point. But the question is, will David Stern allow him to buy the team??

"I'll peel ya CAP BACK with the BLACK MAC til ya BACK CRACK cock the GAT BACK like (gunshots) CLACK, CLACK, CLACK!" - Ludacris

Come on now, Foolout! Why do you ramble on only to contradict yourself later? You say "You have to tell me when cuz said he wasn't serious because otherwise...he is serious. When you listen to Beyonce or Billy Ocean or just about anybody else, you are supposed to ASSUME they are serious." But THEN you say "You nor I really know if cuz is serious." LMAO! YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE IS REALLY SERIOUS! So why do YOU get to assume he is serious, but I can't assume he isn't? You're ridiculous! Post after post of moronic contradictions! We're not talking about Beyonce or Billy Ocean! We're talking about Andre 3000, MORON! And if you say I have to assume Andre 3000 is serious, then YOU have to assume BIG and Eazy were serious! But that's YOU. I don't assume they were serious! This is why you're an ASS at debating! You feel like you can assume something about a subject YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! You don't know "Hey Ya!" You don't even know what it's about! As I said earlier, "Hey Ya" is about Andre's belief that monogomy is NOT natural. Even though Mom and Dad did it, he doesn't know how and he doesn't believe in one woman for the rest of his life. There's your topic, ASS. For such an expert, you sure did miss the topic! I find it hard to believe a so called expert doesn't know the topic of the song he's supposedly an expert about... FLIP OUTTA HERE!

But let's backtrack. "You nor I really know if cuz is serious." Ok, so we must look for clues to support our theory, right? So I stick with other instances in ANDRE 3000's CAREER (not Beyonce's or Billy Ocean's) where I KNOW he is singing and not being serious. Following me, so called expert? It's those songs you refuse to acknowledge. Those songs don't automatically mean he isn't singing seriously on Hey Ya, but since we don't know if he is, we can infer from those songs that it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY he is! Of course, you being an ASS, you believe that you have some knowledge of Hey Ya! Sure you can discuss pages 81-88. But you don't know those pages either! Why can't you just accept that you don't know what you're talking about? Sure, if you ask somebody else THAT DOESN'T KNOW JACK ABOUT OUTKAST (like you, ASS) then they might agree with you. But ask a FAN! Someone who KNOWS about Andre 3000. They'd probably tell you that he's not seriously singing and they'd know about those songs I mentioned. The ones you conveniently ignore, ASS. The FANS who KNOW about ANDRE 3000 (not Beyonce or Billy Ocean) would probably remember his singing on The Whole World, I'll Call Before I Come, Ms. Jackson, Liberation, and Roses, and realize he's probably having fun. So called experts like yourself wouldn't know this, but would claim to be so called experts and might fool the other idiots who have never heard of Outkast - but I see right through your idiotic arguments. As usual, nothing you argue is close to relevant to ANDRE 3000 (not Beyonce or Billy Ocean). And I still find it hilarious that you can be an expert (or at least YOU belive you can be) on Hey Ya and not know the topic. Seriously, the JOKE must be joking!

First of all, I put SEEMS in my statement BEFORE you explained what you claim was in your head. Go back and check. AFTER I said SEEMS is when you decided to explain yourself. AFTER. Not BEFORE. AFTER. Then, after you explained yourself - not very well - I told you I didn't believe you. That's my opinion. You can claim it to be fact if you want. You can tell me I'm wrong. You can say you know better than me what is the truth. You can say you don't have to lie to me. But you can also be lying. You can also know better than me that you're lying. I still don't believe your explanation for your earlier statements, but since we moved on, I don't feel the need to discuss it anymore. Unless you want to, of course.

Oh well, back to work... for now. I'll be back to speak on those Kast songs, Vick the EA Sports Superhuman Football God, the New Jersey Jigganets and H*WOOD's assessment of the Black Album - and my long awaited sickest beats!

I'm out like Doc Rivers. Peace!

If anybody is ever watching Monday night football and you think the game is outta reach, or if you've seen enough because you know the outcome, turn to this show called, "Average Joe." That joint had me rolling. It's about these self proclaimed "Geeks and Nerds" trying to get this dime ex-cheerleader. Under real circumstances, these guys wouldn't have a shot with her...and under TV circumstances, they still don't have a shot. But they really believe they can get her. So they are falling in love with her dreaming of living happy ever after, while she is just smiling telling them what they what to hear but really she's hoping a brother like The Qool steps up in there LOL. But for real, at the end she sends someone home and then they are surprised to be sent home, because they were thinking they had a place in her heart. I mean y'all know how cruel the opposite sex can be, especially the good looking ones, and this is on national TV. Trust me, the joint is funny; check it out.

Hillis, youngin, your logic is so confusing, you almost made me think you had a point. I've never said that I know for a fact that cuz is or is not serious. So when I come out and say we don't really know, why do you take it as if the wheel has been discovered? You can assume he is serious all you want. All I was stating is that if you take everybody else in the whole world serious, why does this man get different rules? Like I said before, I've heard artist saying "I was joking when I recorded this song," or "we were just playing on this track and decided to put it on the album because it was funny." To my knowledge, Outkast never said that. If they did provide the evidence or talk about something else. You can assume he is not serious, but how do you know? Because you've followed him since the early 90's? Holla at me with a different reason that makes more sense. Try to put all of your heated up anger aside and look at it from this point of view. When I put on a Whitney song, I don't question how serious she is. When I put on a Brandy track, I don't wonder if she is for real. Why should I with Outkast? And if by your own account he sings on most of the CD, does that mean he ain't serious on most of the CD? You are talking foolishness. So this man made a whole CD, with producing and studio time in the mix and he wasn't even serious? And dummy, I never said I was an expert about the song, you did. Well, I did, but it was clearly stated that I was only joking, kidding like Jason. In all of your cussin and fussin, guess what. You still ain't convince me (or probably anybody else) that your boy ain't serious! You failed! Speaking of being serious. "Hey Ya" is about what? LOL, LOL, LOL, where did you read that. I find it hard to believe that anybody can listen to that song and then come away with the nonsense you just spat about it. Maybe cuz said that was what it was about and you just repeated it. But it ain't like you'd ever confess, so I'm not going to challenge it. I mean, I can't even get you to actually say "Yes those sentences were remotely alike, they even started off with the same words," and the evidence is there IN BLACK AND WHITE. A bold face LIE. It ain't nothing you can ever do about it either. HA! But anyway, I find it very funny how you typed in the meaning of "Hey Ya," as if it were common knowledge and how everybody knows what its about but me. Dogg, go listen to that song again and then tell me how any educated man or woman, can come away understanding his point. Another thing that had me laughing was when you said, "We can discuss pages 81-88, but you don't know that either." Now that was funny. Cuz, you remind me of one of them teachers, that like to break down a poem or a story and then find something that ain't there. Being a journalist, I had to sit in many many English classes and I had many many teachers tell me nonsense. Kinda like you. Negro, I don't have to know the man's history to state that I feel he is singing seriously. I really do understand how in some cases this may apply. Maybe. But not here. Here's why: What if your hero from Outkast really wanted to be serious? What if he wanted to be the next, I don't know, the next Luther. Naw, the next Billy Ocean, Yeah, the next Bill-O. So if he did desire this and he was serious, how would you know? That's right, you wouldn't. All you could do is guess, unless he said otherwise. And I assume that he didn't say otherwise, so you just keep being angry and keep spiting out random Outkast facts, but remember that you really don't know and you've yet to prove your theory he might want people to take him serious, but you are going full steam with a "Don't take him serious campaign." And for the record, you can say "seems" from here to across the street, I know what was in my head. I know better than you what was in my head. I assume you have no data explaining what was in my head. Ergo, you are wasting your time. You don't have to confirm or deny this. In your heart you know, I'm right. In your heart, you know. (copyrighted by Pac in Juice)

H-Wood, I read the article about Jay. I wasn't doubting your info, I was just saying, I don't think he can pull it off, that's all. But I guess if anybody could do it, he probably could. I wanna know what you, and anybody else, thinks about Keyshawn. Was it a smart move to just drop him like that? I say yes and no. Yes, because it gets the attention of others and shows "I mean business and no one player is bigger than the team," (which isn't really true). And no because, cuz is a great receiver, Despite his loud mouth, cuz can play and is more useful on the field than off. I think the Bucs are even saying this by not releasing him. Hey, what if it's like on Playmakers, where they asked him to go on IR because of some other reason, but he said "no." But then they got him on tape buying drugs for the running back and blackmailed him? LOL, I'm playing, but seriously if Keyshawn wasn't any good, they would straight up release him and let him sign with another team. But they know that if that happens, they'll have to play against him and that could cost them an L. Even if he ain't getting the numbers he's gotten in the past, just the threat of him making a big play could keep him doubled. What if one team gets both him and Terrell next season? That's scary. Just my thoughts; I'm gone.

"All her friends married doin well, she's in the streets yakkety yakkin like she was twelve..." - Nas

Darn it to heck! Darn it ALL to heck! You cats is givin me all these freakin topics and I be tryin to not post mile long posts, but this next one might be mad long, just a warning...

First things first, I - Hillis - wins all debates, embarassin dummies, playahatin flunkies, those whose debate skills hold no money, sell they soul to Satan, to get debate skills for nathan, but they debate skills still smell like sanitation... Yeah, nigga, I'm bout to flip it own you BIG style (Damn, why Hillis wanna embarass em on paper?) and you're gonna like it!

What if your enemy from Outkast didn't really want to be serious? What if he doesn't want to be the next, I don't know, the next Luther. Naw, the next Billy Ocean, Yeah, the next Bill-O. So if he doesn't desire this and he wasn't serious, how would you know? That's right, you wouldn't. All you could do is guess, unless he said otherwise. And I KNOW that he didn't say otherwise, so you just keep being angry and keep spitting out GARBAGE, but remember that you really don't know and you've yet to prove your theory he wants people to take him serious, but you are going full steam with a "Take him serious campaign." Yeah, nigga, I took yo argument! Yeah, I took it! I'm tired of lame ass journalists not reportin the news right!

As I said, as far as what was in your head, I agree; you know better than me. And I believe in your heart, you know better than me that you're lying. Basically, I still don't believe you no matter how you try and defend your actions now. You and I know what's goin on...

How do you know BIG wasn't serious? Don't say you heard him say he was joking because the song came out after he was dead - unless you Mr. Ouija! How do you know Jay, Jada, Pac, or Nas ain't serious when they sing hooks on they songs? So when Pac sang the hook on "Life of an Outlaw" we should assume he was trying to be the next Bill-O, right? Or how about on the end "Feelin On Yo Booty?" When R. Kelly goes "boo hoo tee, boo hoo tee, b-b-b-b-b-b-boo hoo teeeeeee" and starts laughing, we can't assume he was just joking right there, right? Well, don't answer those because your logic already implies that you think "yes." Yes, YOUR logic.

How would an educated man or woman listen to the song of Hey Ya and understand the topic? Well, Qool, I'm gonna go out on a limb here (sarcasm)... they may actually listen to the lyrics? Maybe? Ya think? I dunno. For example he sings "If what they say is 'Nothing is forever' then what makes love the exception?" and he goes, "Don't want to meet your daddy, just want you in my caddy. I'm just being honest." Those educated people might hear lines like that and understand it. But what does that have to do with it having or not having a topic? If an educated man or woman didn't get it on their own, but I told them the topic, they'd probably understand it based off the lyrics... which you clearly don't know. But that's irrelevant. It has a topic. Just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't have one. Again, the recurring theme is you were wrong.

Speaking of topics, I'll answer your questions about the other songs as best as possible so you can call up your boy and talk about them, lol. I haven't heard the Monica song so I have no idea. The Beyonce song I wouldn't officially categorize as an Outkast song, since Big Boi is doing a cameo; however, I don't know all of his verse, but what I recollect is that his verses are about him being a tight hip hop star and girl you need to get with him. The chorus of The Way You Move and the video should have told you what it's about, but anyway, it's a song about sex and fine women. On a slightly related note, Beyonce refers to herself as a hip hop star in that song? What do you think of that? And yes, the beat to Survivor was muphukin flames, no doubt, lol...

Since you have admitted that neither of us truly know if he's seriously singing, then to have this debate would pointless. However, that's here nor there because we ARE having this debate. So we have to have something to base it on, true? Well, since I know more about the artist in question (which you have agreed with), it is safe to say I'm more credible than you. It is likely that I'm right, and you're wrong. And you can't dispute that, because if these educated men and women came along and viewed the debate, they'd probably think my KNOWLEDGE about Andre 3000 outweighs what you THINK you know.

Randomly discussing other points, I can't believe if a sentence has words that match, you think that makes them remotely close? "Smoking fags" in England and in the US have two TOTALLY different meanings. They're not even remotely close. I guess the meaning of a sentence doesn't matter at all to you, huh? Just the words? Whatever, ASS. I don't know what Under Construction 2 has to do with anything, but no, I don't want that. Also, I assume when you say "the skeet skeet song" you mean Get Low by Lil Jon and Ying Yang Twins. Well, yeah, I like the song. Your point? Are you trying to enhance your argument by belittling my taste in music? This from the man who claims Glitter is a good movie? lol, yeah... ok...

Now, doin a 180 degree turn, I must say that I agree with you on the whole Jay-Z slash new stuff slash Black Album explanation to H*WOOD. Like Qool, H*WOOD, I don't see why you would fault Jay for rappin about hustlin and comin back to the game. I mean, really, Reasonable Doubt wasn't all that innovative when it came out and it was about hustlin and the game. It had been done way before 1996. And not sayin you said this specifically, but how can Jay "go back to his Reasonable Doubt roots" and not talk about hustling and the game? That's pretty much the whole focus on Reasonable Doubt. If we're talkin flow wise, his flow was weaker back then IMHO. I agree, Jay may usually rap about hustlin, but who doesn't? Honestly, his topic has little to do with why I like Jay. His wordplay is ill no matter what he raps about. I feel like Jadakiss says the same thing all the time, but it's the way he says it that makes me a fan. He could do 10 songs about D-Block, but I can bet that I'll probably like 7 of them because he'll come up with some metaphor or some flows that are ill... just like Will was. It sounds like you're down on it just because his vision for Black Album was different than your interpretation of a "black" album. But then again, I agree with you, H*WOOD, when you said this is the real BP2 and since you didn't like BP1, I can see you legitimately not liking the Black Album - even though I think they're both flames! But I was also impressed how well you articulated the different MUSICAL parts of the Allure beat. You summed up why I like the beat so much in musical terms. Shoot, Hollywood, what you know about allegro, cresendo, stacatto, and slurring?

I don't think Jay-Z will be able to totally control the team, either. Remember, it's traditional males who buy the tickets and most of the paraphernalia. Jay-Z's rap image may hurt him with these types, plus the people he deals with might not respect him because he is a rapper - no matter how successful he is.

Qoolout, no lie. I feel you 100% on Vick. Honestly, I read your post THE SAME DAY I decided that I was playin with Vick from now on. THE SAME DAY. I played my boy and it was Vick on Vick. He still beat me, but the game was a lot closer and I was able to do some of that nonsense he does with Vick. I was rollin when I saw that. Ain't no way I ain't playin with Vick anymore. Every other QB is too sorry. But you know who else on the Falcons is a lot better than he should be? Well, I'll let you guess and see if you feel me. Cause Vick ain't the only one on there who be pullin of some 100% pure uncut raw nonsense.

Has anybody seen the commercial where this one guy falls and knocks over thousand of other people like a domino effect and in the end... it's about Miller Lite beer? What in the world? It's some stupid stuff on TV these days - human dominoes? These gays... lol

I think the Bucs decision to release Keyshawn is good or bad depending on whether we're talking long term or short term. In the short term, of course you don't just deactivate your top receiver when you're fighting to return to the playoffs. Keyshawn was a big steady target whom Brad Johnson liked. It's gonna hurt them the rest of season, especially since not everybody agrees. So short term, it was a bad decision. Long term, I think it was the right thing to do. Even just keeping him the last six games would undermine Jon Gruden's authority and even if they kept it quiet, respect for the coaching staff would be all but lost. It also may send a message to the rest of the Bucs that they need to quit playing like ass or they can be gone, too. And Keyshawn was lettin everybody know he wanted to leave anyway, so why not nip it in the bud since the season is slipping away. Personally, I think they know they ain't makin the playoffs so they might as well try to get rid of this distraction ASAP and salvage next season and any remaining respect for Gruden.

Speaking of Gruden, I've said it before, so I'll post it now. Jon Gruden should mail his Super Bowl ring to Tony Dungy. If Phil Jackson supposedly comes along at the right time then Jon Gruden takes it to a new level. The Bucs got hot right when Dungy left. Luck for Gruden. Now we see that Jon Gruden ain't that good of a coach... but Dungy is. Gruden and everybody gave Dungy his props, but I hope it's reinforced that Gruden did nothing to push them over the edge. He's taken the exact same team that won the Super Bowl and now they might not even make the playoffs. True Alstott is hurt and Jurevicius, but the Bucs weren't doin much of anything before they got hurt. I'm not sayin they should be 9-2, but they definitely shouldn't be 4-6.

If this post is too long, it ain't my fault.

Here's a list of 13 - in no special order - maybe I'll think of 8 more later... What Happened To Dat Boy? - 50 Cent's PIMP - 10 Crack Commandmants - 2Pac's No More Pain - No Limit Soldiers - UGK's Diamonds and Wood - T.I./Neptunes on What's Yo Name -Twista's Adrenaline Rush - Timbo and Jay on Is That Yo Chick and Nigga What, Nigga Who - Lil Flip and David Banner Get Down Like A Pimp (yeah, that's right, Freestyle King H*WOOD's ass!) - Thuggish Ruggish Bone and Foe Da Luv of $...

I'm out like Keyshawn. Peace!

LOL Hillis, you are a funny dude. I don't know if you try to amuse me, but you have me cracking up on the regular. However, don't confuse me lol'in @ you with you having a point. First of all, the fact that I know what's in my head, and the fact that you admit this, along with the fact that you have diminishing credit with every post, proves that you spit nonsense. Seriously, you spit nonsense, but you do it very well. You make it sound clever and witty, so even if it's a load of number two, at first glance it doesn't seem that way. Cuz, you might think I'm playing with what I'm about to say, but I'm dead serious. If one day you decide that law isn't the field for you, then you should think about a career in politics. You have that car salesmen quality with you. I already know how you'll try to "rework" this hypothesis and use it against me, but just think about it. Any-who, let me move on. I know what's in my head. Only a fool would continue to say I'm lying, after he admits I know better than him and after he knows he has no evidence. As I said before: Why would I start lying now? Of all things to lie about, why would I pick this topic? You simply are not using a logical argument. Take it back to the drawing board. Now, I'm not even going to address all of them questions about Pac and Big and the Pied Piper. We are talking about Outkast. Why do I have to explain a few of their songs, when your boy made a WHOLE CD (except one) full of joints with him singing? That clown. You dag on right he was serious. It ain't like it was a skit; it ain't like it was one or two songs outta 15 other joints. YOU said (you that's who) that cuz sings on all them joints except one. Yes, he is serious. In my heart I believe he was DEAD serious. Again, you had me lol'in with the "educated man" line. Okay, I think we finally have a small, tiny, little accord here. Yes, a person might get the song's meaning AFTER AFTER AFTER you told them what it's allegedly about. See, what I was saying is that cuz rambles about a lot of stuff in that song. I did listen to the lyrics (as I stated before, I guess you missed it) but them joints ain't make sense. So when you told me what they allegedly mean, I was shocked. Humored too, but shocked nonetheless. Don't try to pull out two or three lines and act like therefore I should have gotten the gist of "Hey Ya" cause bamma I'll copy and paste the WHOLE song and then ask you to deconstruct that. And ask, how am I supposed to get the meaning of the song, when he says all this other random stuff. And then I'll Post "I (Hate) the Way You Move," too. Of all the avenues to take in your "We Love Outkast" movement, the "they always make sense" avenue should be avoided. Mainly because they don't always make sense, which could also be said about you. In fact, I'm saying it about you and now I have a better understanding why you admire them so. Moving on, I just gotta repeat that the Survivor beat is flames, lol why didn't it make your list? Pain and that Bone joint is tight too. However, that other stuff you said was kinda askew. Yes, the hook to "I Love The Way You Move might be saying something, but listen to your boy's lyrics. Young, do this for real. Listen to what he says, it ain't related to the title of the song or anything else. He just woke up and started rapping. About what, I don't know. And he was on Beyonce's song as a guest, but the fact that he wasted his time, hers and mine as a listener, is the actual point. And she is referring to her lovely curvy hips, that hop, when she says she's a hip-hop star, lol. That's my way of saying I didn't know she said that. Was it on the song with him? Oh okay, that's why I didn't know, I never listen to that track because it's stupid. Yep, one of the few times my baby makes a stupid song, guess who helps out: YOUR FLIPPIN' HERO. By the way Einstein, enemy is not the opposite of hero. These Tenseness-ians. Moving on, that Glitter shot had me rolling on the floor. Yeah, I think it's a good movie. The sad truth is most of the people who TRY to clown me for liking it, NEVER saw it. Thus I can't discuss it with them. If you saw it and think it's not good, bring it. LOL, that skeet skeet song is terrible, one of the worse songs this year. I mentioned it because it doesn't take much for you to like a song. You admitting you like the skeet skeet song proves just that. Also, we ain't talking about England and a TWO word sentence. Nice try though, that was classic lawyer 101 right there. You and I know what's goin on. Now show me a sentence that has about 12 of the same words and explain how they are in no way close. You know in your heart that them joints were close. Yeah I saw the Miller Lite commercial and it was okay the 1st two times, but it's different so I like or liked it. I'ma get back to you on the other superman, I think I know, but let me check something first, don't tell me yet. I feel you on Keyshawn. I was watching that Monday night game they won against the Giants and they showed all these different clips of the BS Keyshawn has done. I didn't know it was that bad. I had seen them before but forgot about it. Yeah, cuz should have been gone a long time ago. The "No Scrubs" beat was aw-ight, too. My boy Jada says, y'all use beats for help, we help the beats. Lastly, The real Madden had me lol'in in that Monday night game. He said, "Now you see that play right there? You file those kinds under stupid." And after one of the many fumbles he said, "After watching these two teams, you quickly get a sense of why they're both 4-6."

"I'm straight off the block, like a running back, get it man? I'm straight off the block..." - Jay-Z

Aiyo, Q S, check it: you know who did you know what to you know who - 3 times. We'll definitely keep that between me and you.

Whoa.

Anyway, I think we're arguing two different points. Is he serious about the album? Absolutely. Is he serious about his singing? Absolutely not. Still, maybe all this we've been arguin is for nothin. Still, if you AT LEAST heard "Roses" I belive you would understand what I'm talkin about. But you ain't gotta answer all those other questions about Pac, I know your answer. Yes, you think Pac is serious. Yes, you think Pac wanted to display his R&B skills. Yes, you're a dumb ass. Yes, you think R. Kelly was serious. Yes, you think R. Kelly thought he was doin the illest shit ever with b-b-b-b-b-b boo boo hoo tee! Yes, you're a MORON. Benefit of the doubt (king) my ass!

By the way, when Eazy and Dre sing "And we'll both ride home in my automobile!" Eazy sings the melody and Dre sings harmony over him, playa. Check it out.

Diminishing credit? This from the man with no clout? HA! Dude, I felt you were lying. I still do. You can tell me you're not ALL YOU WANT. You can tell me you know what was in your head. I don't believe you (you need more people). Why you got to lie? You don't. But I believe you're lying. And based on all the events that unfolded, I don't believe I'm wrong. Why are we still on this, anyway?

Enemy isn't the opposite of hero? No (bleep), Sherlock. But the way you rantin on about Dre 3000, one would say he's your mortal enemy. Just like you claim he's my hero.

Still trying to belittle my taste in music, huh? So it doesn't take much for me to like a song? Why? Cause I don't give a rat's ass about lyrics? Negro, please. I favor production and you don't; that doesn't mean your criteria is more demanding - it's just different. If it didn't take much for me to like a song, I'd be a fan of sorry ass acts like Jae Hood, Diddy, Geto Boys, Nonchalant, and Wish Bone (ahem). Or I'd say something like Nas is supposedly better than Jay-Z, even though Nas has dropped only 2 good albums in his whole career, and Jay has AT LEAST 4. Or I'd rep all those sorry ass acts like Wu Tang or Young Gunz. Or I'd be a fan of Common and Talib Kweli simply cause "they have a message." Or I'd like songs that are supposedly "about something." I ain't the one who came on here reppin Chingy's first two verses on Holidae Inn (ahem). Don't be hatin, playa! I like the song because the beat is wangin. And if YOU don't feel it, fine, but with the airplay it gets, it must be doin somethin right (please spare us all the nonsense about what China, Iraq, and Japan might think - let's keep it within hip hop). As far as the lyrics go, of course they're horrendous, but I enjoy myself everytime I hear that song, so don't hate me cause I can find the humor in the song and you can't. All that hatin, all that hatin. You need to quit that, playa.

As usual, you missed the point. I don't have to pull out ANY lines. You claimed Hey Ya had no point. And as usual, you were wrong. You can post Hey Ya and The Way You Move's lyrics and I'll deconstruct them for you, but make sure they're correct. The last time you posted Southern lyrics, you went to some website and didn't even get the right lyrics, and tried to blame the website. What kind of journalist publicly turns on his source after he finds out he's wrong? Where's the integrity?

"I am going to murk Qoolout by telling him he is dumb." "I am going to encourage Qoolout by telling him he is smart." If you think those are close then we'll just have to agree to disagree... moron.

Say it loud and say it proud. The Skins will be 7-9... probably worse. 10-6 is gone. So gone. Like Monica, playa. Looks like Dan is plottin for a new coach and new O-line. These Redskins...

What was the Magic thinking by firing Doc Rivers. He took one of the sorriest teams and made them a playoff contender. Without T-Mac, them niggas might not even be ranked in the top 10 in the NCAA polls. So what they started out 1-10? Doc done won a Coach of the Year and took em to the playoffs like it wasn't nothin. At least let Doc miss the playoffs before firing him. So as a basketball decision, it seems moronic. But I wonder if this was a basketball decision. I think a lot of times, these coaches win and start gettin bold with the front office people. That seems to be an underlying story when good coaches bounce or get fired. Why else would Rick Carlisle, Paul Silas, or Isiah Thomas get fired/forced out? Byron Scott done got J-Kidd and turned NJ around, and he can't even get an extension. Either Rod Thorn is dumb or Byron done made em mad and ask for like... 1 BILLION dollars (copyright Dr. Evil). George Karl is a prime example, too. He's a proven coach, but he pisses everybody off. So in conclusion, I guess these GMs and owners aren't as stupid as they come across. They may just be extra sensitive bitches, lol.

10-6? More like 6-10... yeah, that was too easy...

I'm out like Cartwright. Peace!

"I think we're arguing two different points. Is he serious about the album?
Absolutely. Is he serious about his singing? Absolutely not." That's what you said. Double Talker. And on that note, I'm out. I can say any TRUE factor about the album and you can just twist it up like you did right there. We ain't going nowhere. All I gotta say is I think he is serious about the album too, and therefore serious about the singing. Truth be told, he don't sound half bad when you judge him solely on the singing part. Just like you think I can't look at it without putting aside my dislike for Outkast, I feel you can't put aside your deep love for them. But you think he's for real and I don't. You think I'm lying and I KNOW otherwise. Whatever. I seemingly can't change your mind and you certainly can't change the truth. Yes, I think Pac was serious on "Life of an Outlaw." That song and hook is tight. If he wanted it to sound like some trash I'm sure he could have made every note high, off key, etc. Yeah the Pied Piper was serious. That cd was flames and sold like a couple mil; he knew what he was doing. He was feeling the music on the mentioned song. I don't know how what Easy, Dre', Pac or anybody else did helps prove the theory that Outkast was joking, but I'm not concerned. I don't have to defend a thousand other songs just to give my views on "Hey Ya." So no more of that.

Yeah, it doesn't take much for you to like a song. I doubt (but no can't prove) that you knew anything about the production when you heard "skeet skeet." I know I didn't, I just knew that I didn't like it, mainly because cuz kept saying skeet skeet, and I couldn't, although I tried, see the point of it. I assume you on the other hand heard him saying, "Aw, skeet skeet skeet," and just fell in love with it. If we gonna talk about production let's talk about production. I'm speaking about the song, not who and what was behind the scenes. Jae Hood to Wish Bone and all them peeps in between ain't got nothing to do with "skeet skeet." How does their flow excuse them bammas going in the studio and actually recording "Aw skeet skeet skeet?" I guess next you'll say that wasn't serious. If you like it for the production side I can't dispute that, that's you. But I think that makes my point stronger that it doesn't take much for you to like a song. Just my thoughts. And for the record Holidae Inn (the first two verses) is hot. That just goes to show you that I can put aside my dislike. Now before that song, I knew Chingy off the strength of "Right Thurr," which is probably one of your favorites. That song is in my dislike column so I wasn't trying to hear nothing else he had. But I actually listened to the lyrics and although I didn't want to admit it, cuz was flowin'. LOL, "Ching-a-ling equipped with much ding-a-ling/ walked in, I'm on the scene of things." LOL, no them ain't the deepest joints I ever posted, and yes, it ain't even in my character to like his rhymes. But nevertheless, "It's some pretty girls in herre, I hearing whisperin'/ talking bout that's that dude that sing Right Thurr, he glis-ing," is something I surprisingly enjoy. Yes I think Nas is better than Jay, but that's my opinion and we can debate that if you'd like. And China, Iraq, and Japan, ain't nonsense, airplay is airplay. If you are gonna shout about MOST people, I'ma include them. They are people MORON. Lastly, I didn't go to a website that had them lyrics wrong. I just was telling you that's where I got them. I think they were correct. You accused me of altering them and that's when I told you "well, if they were wrong blame the website, not I." And if a person's source is wrong, he or she is supposed to say, I got the wrong info. Only a fool (you) would say something different. You know the lyrics to both of them Outkast songs, so I don't need to post them. You and I know that they ain't talking about nothing overall. Yeah he may say a few things you can piece together, but the song as a whole? Keep lying to yourself.

I conclude that I don't know a thing about football. 7-9 sounds so good right now. The cowgirls are at the top and we are at the bottom. I don't know what to say but clearly I didn't know what was going on; dag, I hate the cowgirls.

"having a H.ouse I.n V.irginia, is the only way you sicker than us..."-Nas

LOL at the album god's son being wack, any Dark Man X album being mentioned in the same sentence as illmatic, nas only dropping two good albums in his career, and quoting ANY bars from that "coming to the stage" ass rapper ludacris...from witnessing these statements and quotes i hearby pronounce you the lamest "rap" consumer ever.

And by the way...2 Wack was an exceptional rhythm and blues artist...he's easily top 10 in my category...my favorite joint was the last track on the 2nd disk of All Eyes On Me....yall niggaz know the chorus..."If you really wanna fuck with meeeeeeee, I'm ready..."

Well, that should do it for me. You niggaz have a nice day.

"Baby let me give you a call, how long will it take to break you off?" - 2Pac

Isn't that sweet? Dunny misses me, lol...

God's Son doesn't have one good song on it. The Cross is aiight and Made You Look's beat is tight, but Nas sucks on it. If not for the remix, it would have been a terrible waste of a good beat. I Can is the worst rap song EVER. Hands down. Take this to the bank: It Was Written and Stillmatic are his only good albums. If you count The Lost Tapes, he might have 3, but I don't count it. It's Dark and Hell is Hot is easily better than Illmatic. Easily. Just like with Pac, if Ludacris sucks so bad, why did Nas do a song with him? I'm actually only the second lamest "rap" consumer ever - I don't rep Cormega, AZ, and Mobb Deep, lol...

Foolout, you're a joke with no clout. Chingy sucks and so do all his verses. None of those lil snipits you posted was tight, and what's even worse, it's along the same lines as Cash Money and all them other niggas you clown! And I think it's funny that it's ok for you to rep Chingy on Holidae Inn, but you try and clown somebody if they like Right Thurr. NEGRO PLEASE! Right Thurr, in my opinion, is aiight. But that's irrelevant. There's nothing good about Chingy's verses in my opinion, but you like em, so who cares? You do since you tryin to talk about people's opinions of music. And what do you mean I ain't know the production when I heard Get Low? As soon as I heard the song, I knew I liked it! What are you talking about? I liked the beat, which is my criteria for liking a song. "Aw skeet skeet" is in the chorus, but that doesn't matter. It bothers you; it doesn't bother me. Jae Hood sucks. He's a fake wanna be Joe Budden/Jada/Styles. That nigga sucks. Nothin else to say man, he fuckin sucks. But you like him, so more power to you. Wish Bone was easily the worst member in BONE. Terrible. All his verses were equal to Aw skeet skeet. And don't get me started on Nonchalant. If you think Nas is better than Jay, that's cool, too. But it seems like it must not take much for you to like a song to think that he's better than Jay cause Nas has 2 horrible songs for every decent one and a few classics here and there. I'll hand it to Nas. He's the Kordell Stewart of rap. When he's on (which is rare) he's tight like McNabb, McNair, and Vick, but when he's off (which is real common), he's off to the tune of 5 interceptions and 3 lost fumbles and 8 sacks. So you cheer for him cause you feel sorry for him and hope he'll turn it around, but he never does consistently. So in my opinion it must not take much for you to like a song if you can stomach some of the crap Nas has put out in his 10 year career and say it's better than Jay's. Especially considering that you don't care much for Illmatic, either.

So I guess the fact that R. Kelly started LAUGHING didn't tell you something about him going "boo oo tee! boo oo tee! boo hoo tee! B-b-b-b-b-boo hoo hoo tee?!" He even laughs on the remix, MORON...

"So since MOST of the world doesn't listen to hip hop, then it must suck, right? Why are we posting? Hip hop sucks because people in Korea and Scotland and Madagascar don't listen to it. We should just stop debating because Pac, Jada, Nas, Em, Luda, Kast, BIG, and Jay
suck anyway because people in Iran and Kuwait and Turkey say so" - Qoolout's logic

Quit tryin to save face. Hey Ya has a point. You didn't get it from those lines, who cares? It still has a point. You were wrong. Face it! And my "deep love" (lol) for Outkast is irrelevant to that. You said a lot of their songs have no point. Now, if by "a lot" you meant 10, then maybe. I thought you meant a lot like 30 or 40 percent of Outkast songs. Then you're way off base. Like I said, all the songs you mentioned have a point. Way You Move and Hey Ya. That Beyonce song ain't an Outkast song. It's a Beyonce song with ONE member from Kast. He guests. And I told you the point of it. Scroll up. Besides, his verse is more in relation to the point of the song than Jay-Z's verse is on Crazy in Love.

I see you didn't respond to the statements that have the similar words but aren't remotely close. Were you murked?

"I knew Chingy off the strength of "Right Thurr," which is probably one of your favorites." LMAO! "I assume you on the other hand heard him saying, "Aw, skeet skeet skeet," and just fell in love with it." LMAO some more. Aw skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet is flippin flames! lol Anyway, since you don't know football, to save face the least you could do is cheer for the Tight Titans...

I'm out like Steve McNair. Or is he? Peace!

"I decipher prophesies through a mic and say piece"-Nas

It's useless disputing with niggaz whose first hearing of Illmatic was in 2001...lol...of course if you've heard it damn near 10 yrs after it's actual release date it's not going to have replay value compared to todays mainstream HIP POP...I mean the nigga was saying shit on that album that fag rappers today are just beginning to grasp...damn how lame can you be...Also, you've already proved how wack of a "rap" consumer you are by callin All Eyes On Me a classic?....how? when? where?...like Havoc said..."you kick that THUG shit, but in vibe magazine on some LOVE shit"...what a fraud. Any who, is it me or does "ILLMATIC I was boss/IT WAS WRITTEN I flossed, one of the most creative lp's ever to his stores/ In THE FIRM, I learned I AM NASTRADAMUS/ QB'S FINEST/ OOCHIE WALLY faced more problems"...give birth to Jay's chorus on MOMENT OF CLARITY. Well all I can say about this is..."Nas designed ya BLUEPRIENT who you kiddin..." Lastly, once again I could care less about who Nas puts on his remixes(even though he does it mainly to bring in more income, hence past remixes with Missy, Jagged Edge, and Mariah Carey)...Ludacris is still WACK...through three terrible albums...he has shown the world nothing but below average word play, non humerous lyrics, and alot thug shit that he as well as his Chicago(yeah that's his home town...he too is another FRAUD that claims he's from the ATL)natives know isn't near being factual...he is a joke as well as his recycled material ass albums. Oh yeah, I would rather thump some Cormega, AZ, and Mobb Deep, than to live through hell with "We Ridin Spinners, We Riding Spinners...It Don't Stop"...those homos aint riding on nada with they rented ass vehicles...lol...I'm gone

Best don't even argue with him about Illmatic, its a no win battle. He just is not a fan of Nas, simple as that. But I'm still up in the air about him downing it the way he does, especially when its the most celebrated critically acclaimed records of all time, but that's his opinion though so you can't go against that.

I think Hillis has something against the Queensbridge housing projects, lol. You are absolutely not feeling any of those niggas from there. I personally would rep AZ, Mega & Mobb Deep before a Ludacris or even a 3'6 Mafia. I don't even see how you cannot like AZ, when Jay-z is the most complementary to his style. In a way I think Jay-z's flow is from AZ's style. Even during his fast rapping days, like you hear some of Jay-z early work, you can see the similarities when you hear AZ on Life's A Bitch. It really kinda surprised me a bit, that you’re not really feeling his styles. I think he is slept on a lot.

I think J-Hood is good... for his age! I'd rather hear him instead of a Lil' Bow Wow, or any other teenager on the mic right now (I think J-Hood is like 19 now). But he really needs to improve on his charisma, he doesn't have any emotion on the mic. You can't tell if he is serious or not. Plus some of his metaphors suck like:

"I got guns bigger than the subs from subway"

WTF is that? He's been doing lines like that for a while now too. Qoolout you should go check out Cassidy, he's better than J-Hood on all levels. He's been getting some good reviews on his album, if that lends any credence towards you possibly giving his album a listen.

Now on to this Black album discussion. I think you missed my point about the Black album Hill. Earlier in my assessment I said in Reasonable doubt he still had that connection to the drug game, in which you felt he was still on the grind. His last few albums have all been a retrospect on his drug game. On Allure I like the way he backtracked to the time he strapped his girl with the crack and sent her on a plane. But the feeling of being there & seeing through retrospect, is the major difference with his flow. Wordplay is great, and I give him props for that. But its just a new gift rap for the same present. He's still saying the same thing, but just saying it with different words. The subject matter has diminished. Its either he ran out of stories, or just kept recycling a style that helped him become successful.

The production is in the top 3 all time on his albums. Not as good as Vol. 2, but maybe better than BP1 & RD. I would have to look on the situation later to have a good look on it.

I had expectations for the album, but that didn't effect my personal thoughts on how the album turned out. Really it wasn't even my personal expectations... He actually said that these things were going to be in there, and it wasn't! I honestly think dude is going to regret going out the way he did in a few years.

Finally I have to say I liked God Son. Nas is by far the best concept rapper of our generation. Who cares if he contradicts himself. Or fabricates his stories, the dude is the best lyricist of this generation of Hip-Hop. Maybe ever! I like The Cross, and Book of Rhymes, Warrior Song, Revolutionary Warfare, Made You Look, Last Real Nigga Alive, Pussy Killz. I think its a good album, bar none. I'll wait to explain totally why I like the album. But its certainly one of the best albums of 2002, IMHO.

"They just suck, they no good, I ain't never heard a nigga say they like them in the hood..." - 50 Cent

If All Eyez On Me ain't a classic, then Illmatic isn't close.

Honestly, H*WOOD, I couldn't care less if AZ or Cormega were my cousins, peep the quote at the beginning. That doesn't just describe Cadillac Tah, it describes them, too. If you feel them more than 3-6 or the Freestyle King, then cool, but them niggas impact in hip hop is minimal - actually, it's non exsistent. At least 3-6 has some popular songs. AZ and Cormega don't have shit goin for them other than we seem to know their names. But I couldn't name a good Cormega song to save my life. And as you know, Best has been known to rep Chino XL. I guess he may be the Project Pat for East Coast rap fans, cause Chino XL sucks. And Mobb Deep put out ONE decent album, which I liked one song on. Other than that, their albums have been boo boo which is in line with their "skills." And the only thing AZ has in common with Jay-Z is, well, their names rhyme. Other than that, Jay-Z is nice, and AZ is dick in the bootie.

H*WOOD, God's Son is garbage to me. Again, if you like it, bump it. I ain't hatin. But I need not discuss where Nas lays as a concept rapper. Saying that I'm not a fan of Nas is a little off base. I like a lot of Nas's stuff and I give Nas his props for having a solid fan base, and he probably will go down as one of the top 10, possibly top 5 rappers of all time. HOWEVER... The nigga SHOULD be #1, if you look at his lyrical ability. I think he is extremely overrated, still. For someone who has the potential to spit a classic every time he picks up the mic, he has put out LOTS of garbage. LOTS. A lot of them songs you mentioned on God's Son I think are wack, but that's my opinion. Still, how can you follow up the Made You Look remix with I Can? That's vintage Nas right there. From flames to trash to flames to trash and so on and so forth. From I Gave You Power to Money Is My Bitch. From Blaze A 50 to Nastradamus. From Ether to Hey Nas. From 2nd Childhood to Oochie Wally. I know plenty of good rappers come out with bad songs, but with Nas, his bad songs are just unbearable. I may be the only person on this thread who feels that way, but I can't count the number of people I met who agree with me. I Can is a perfect example of this. I mean, you can diss Southern music all day, but you'd be lying if you said there was a song worse than that. Seriously, no exaggeration, that is the worse rap song I have ever heard. Easily. Hands down. I know it may just be one bad song to others, but to me, it's a microcausm of his entire career.

Nigga, you still usin them lame ass rappers to diss 2Pac? lol

Well, I'm gonr.

No, wait, my bad, I'm still here... This nigga actually quoted Havoc??? lol

I'm out like the Lakers on this win streak and the Redskins on this ferocious L streak that Qoolout loves. Peace!

Hillshire you are trippin.' If I made it sound like I was 'reppin' Chingy, then that was my mistake. I'm just saying that I like that one song (well, the first two verses). You are still trying to flip what a brother says. I didn't mean those lines were the best ever, and yes cuz does seem along the lines of Cash Money. However, that song alone is pretty good to me. I've conveyed that it surprises me a lot that I really like it, but yeah I like it. Cuz does have a point, the song is funny, and as much as I hate to admit it, he is somewhat flowing. Notice I didn't just say its funny like some people and therefore declare it a good song. Forget that some people bull...I mean like you do. And I find it very strange that you halfheartedly diss that song, which features the clown Ludacris, but you say you like Right Thurr. Is that what you're saying? And if so, do you like it because of the production? Yeah right. And God's Son only has two good tracks? Did you even hear the whole CD? You like "Chicken and Beer" but diss "I Can?" Man I just can't get a grasp on your way of judging a track. Warrior Song is on God's Son. I would really like it if you took some time to listen to that and then come back and tell me if that sways your opinion at all. "Thugz Mansion" and "Dance" are hot too. For real, go listen again, I have to flat out disagree with you saying that it ain't one good song on there. Matter of fact, I disagree with a lot of your recent comments, more than I normally do, but more on that later. What I meant about "not knowing the prouduction" is that when I first heard the song I didn't say nor think anything about it having a tight beat. When I first listen to a song, usually I don't break it down and say the beat is nice, but the hook is bad, the bridge is okay, blah blah blah. You started talking about you like "Skeet Skeet" because of the production. When I first heard it I just
took it all in. I didn't look at solely the production. And overall that waste of time song is terrible. Screw the great production you speak of, please save that. Wish Bone the worst member? Jae Hood suck? Did you really type that? Are you drunk? High? Drunk and high? Hood sucks but Luda is tight? Do you EVEN believe that. Name me any verse that is equal to "Skeet Skeet." Moving on, I heard the Pied Piper's remix. Again, his remix, three mix, or cake mix, had NOTHING to do with Outkast. Yes, that song was serious. You don't excuse an ENTIRE song because Kelly laughed at the end of his, MORON. Oh, you had a typo too. When you posted the following you said it was my logic, but really it was your nonsense: "So since MOST of the world doesn't listen to hip hop, then it must suck, right? Why are we posting? Hip hop sucks because people in Korea and Scotland and Madagascar don't listen to it. We should just stop debating because Pac, Jada, Nas, Em, Luda, Kast, BIG, and Jay suck anyway because people in Iran and Kuwait and Turkey say so" - Hill's logic. At first you said Qool's but you must have meant Hillis'. And none of those rappers truly suck except Luda. Don't try to throw him in the mix like he's tight, LOL. You're sad. And even if every other place did say hip-hop sucked, I would still post. What does that have to do with me posting? You are a sad individual. Moving on, ten pointless songs is a lot to me. And just because you say a song has a point, that doesn't make it so. And even if it does, that doesn't make it understandable. You gave me the point about Hey Ya like it was common knowledge. Youngin, you are trippin. Okay I could see the alleged point of it AFTER you told me (by the second verse, not the first not the third, which I'll post). Now I like to think of myself as an educated person. My peers are as well. How come none of them could tell me what it was about? And don't try to make a joke here, seriously tell me why it's so clear to you, but not to anybody else I asked. After reading the lyrics AND after you told me, I see the point. But based on something like the following excerpt, explain your thoughts "Hey Ya's" last verse NOT THE WHOLE SONG:

Hey, alright now
Alright now fellows, Yeah!
Now what's cooler than bein' cool? Ice Cold!
I can't hear ya'
I say what's cooler than bein' cool? Ice Cold!
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright, Ok now ladies!
And we gonna break this back down in just a few seconds
Now don't have me break this thing down for nothin'
Now I wanna see y'all on y'all baddest behavior
Lend some suga', I am your neighbor
Shake it, shake, shake it, shake it
Shake it, shake it, shake, shake it, shake it, shake it
Shake it, shake it like a Polaroid picture
Shake it, shake it, shake it, shh shake it, shake it, got to shake it
Shake it like a Polaroid Picture
[Verse Three - Andre 3000 (Repeating "Shake it" in background)]
Now while Beyoncé and Lucy Lui
And baby dolls, get on the floor
(Get on the floor)
You know what to do.
You know what to do.
You. know I do
[Chorus]
Hey ya
Hey ya
[Chorus continues until fade]
(If the lyrics are wrong I apologize to you in advance).
Let me guess. You like the production, right? Who's the real joke? And that Beyonce song has an Outkast member so I can cite it. Just like "Hey Ya" and "The Way You Move" only have one member. And Jay's verse is way better. If for no other reason than I can actually say he was taking about something. No, it might not be as clear cut as other tracks, but compare it to the Outkast one and then talk to me. And if I don't know football, that still don't mean I don't know "Jack." I ain't cheering for no Titans, lol. Skins til the end of the season BIG BABY, lol. And I'm not sure what you are speaking of when you say I didn't respond. If about the first 12 or 13 words are the same, and the point, and subject are the same, the sentences are similar. These dummies.
H-wood, I will check out Cassidy, but what songs do you suggest. Oh yeah, That Kanye West, "Through the Wire" is flames. Is cuz on point like that all the time or is that rare? The Black album is pretty good, but once again is has it's share of nonsense that takes it down a few points with me. I'll get into that later, but does Nas' "Heaven" ( the last song on God's Son) sound like Jay's "My First Song" (the last song on Black Album)? I don't put as much stock into beats as the rest of y'all but this really stood out to me, the 1st time I heard it.

"She gave me a reason to be a damn heathen..." - Chingy

Negette, you off the chains. I don't care if you rep Chingy or not. I wasn't implying that you repped Chingy. I just found it amusing and hypocritical that you were TRYING to clown me by saying I probably liked "Right Thurr" but still talkin about how hot Chingy's verses are on "Holidae Inn." If you liked his garbage lyrics, then you ain't gotta defend em to me. If you like Jae Hood's piss, er, I mean, lyrics, then go ahead and like em. If you felt Wish Bone is awesome, even though he never spit anything above extremely mediocre, then fine! If you wanna diss Luda, I don't care. Diss 3-6, Outkast, and whoever. I don't care just like you don't. But Ludacris doesn't have a song called "Chicken and Beer." So "I Can" being better than "Chicken and Beer" doesn't make sense to me. Still, I hope you aren't honestly gonna sit here and tell me that "I Can" is better than any song on "Chicken and Beer."I could list off all the tight songs I feel are on C&B, just like all y'all list off the supposed tight songs off God's Son. But I won't. I'll just say you're out your mind if you think Luda can't put out a song better than I Can. Aw skeet skeet skeet is a flippin classic compared to I Can. And Ludacris has three platinum albums. He must be doin SOMETHING right, unlike no name, terrible Jae Hood. You can spit all the nonsense about sales don't mean nothin, but we all know the people who spit that are just pissed because no one likes the garbage artist they rep. Also, Ludacris was featured on the Made You Look remix with Nas and Jadakiss. Nas, Mr. Concept lyricist, and Jadakiss, Mr. Ill like Will was. So you mean to tell me that Jada and Nas are two cold ass lyricists and they picked Ludacris to be on that song, but Ludacris has no skills? Negro please! Ludacris gets plenty of love and respect from all the top lyricists in rap. Best has clowned Luda as much as you, but even he admitted he felt Luda more than Jada on the Made You Look remix (with me up on it). That doesn't mean Luda is better than Jada, but if Best found one good thing to say about Luda, then you have to at least give Luda some props. I find it hard to believe - nah, flip that - it's MORONic for someone to claim that Ludacris has no skills, but two of today's most skilled rappers found him nice enough to flow with. AND they came with some of they hardest flows! If he was so sorry, why would Nas bring the fire at the end like he did? Just because you don't like him, or any of the predominantly East Coast lovers of this thread don't either, doesn't mean he has no skills. It just means the East Coast bias in here is high.

How in the flip are you just gonna post Andre 3000's ad libs and try and pass em off as a 3rd verse? Small Clout, you're not just a joke; you're a jack ass! He's not even singing on that part you claimed is the 3rd verse. It doesn't even rhyme! Are you stoned? Plastered? Stoned and plastered? It looks like you've lost your common sense along with your clout. Niggas ad lib at the end of they songs all the time. They give shout outs and say stuff that may not have had anything to do with the song at all. You gon try and post like they was verses. FLIP OUTTA HERE! I know my posts be FLIPPIN FLAMES, but you ain't gotta do dumb ish to try and match wits with me, lol. It was pretty obvious what the first two verses were and that there are only TWO verses in the song. Obvious to everybody but you. "Now all Beyonces and Lucy Lius get on the floor..." HA! You thought that was a verse?! LMAO! Come on, Hey Ya (wanna be but not at all) expert! Oh wait, was that the internet site's fault that you thought that was a real verse? lol

I know you can't see me or hear me, but I wasn't trying to act like you should have gotten it. Hell, I was confused when I first heard it, too. I wasn't sure if he thought monogamous relationships were good or bad. I actually read the topic in a magazine when he was speaking in on the subject. All I was saying is that it does have a point. I wasn't trying to act like it was easy to get. But you were implying that no educated man or woman could possibly gather the topic. That's not true. If they listened to the TWO (not three) REAL (not made into verses by Qoolout) VERSES (not the ad lib), it could be figured out. Maybe not. But again, all this is a smokescreen to the real issue... YOU WERE STILL WRONG! Hey Ya has a point. Nothin else to say man, you were wrong.

Uh, no, playa, that would be your logic. When I said most people liked the Pass the C beat based on the airplay, YOU (not me, YOU) brought in people in Iraq and China and Egypt not liking it cause they don't play hip hop there. I didn't make it clear that I was talking within the scope of hip hop fans, and for that I apologize, but when I told you that I meant in the scope of hip hop fans, you said I couldn't do that. YOU (not me, YOU) said that we had to include the people in Korea and Japan. YOU said that. Not me. YOU. YOU said that most people don't like it cause people in Indonesia and New Zealand didn't like it. YOU said that. So if they don't like Pac, Nas, BIG, Jay, and Jada (I'll leave out Kast and Luda for you) therefore we can't debate about them because of people in Denmark and Nigeria not hearing it. We can't talk about Pac and Jada within the scope of hip hop. We gotta talk about Iceland, Mexico, Argentina, and Panama. You brought up all those people. You opened up that can of worms. YOU (not me). I even asked you to spare us that nonsense, but you said "No, we can't. We gotta talk about people in Chile and Sudan, blah, blah, blah..." Yeah, this is clearly your logic, cause I'm only discussing this in the realm of hip hop fans. You can wonder about country fans and neo Nazis and Taliban members and dead people and devil worshippers and ghosts and whatever the hell you wanna bring in to the argument. If you care what they think, then you care to your heart is content, BIG BABY. As for me and my house, we gon talk within the scope of hip hop fans. And just for fun, how do you know they don't play hip hop in those other countries?

In the sentences I posted, the subject and point weren't the same, MORON. Thus, you don't need to respond because you are murked (as Jada would say).

10 is not a lot when you got out about 100 songs... these DC gays.

Why not cheer for them Tight Titans? Cheer for a winner for once...

I'm out like Small Clout. Peace!

"She said, "Let's hit the parking lot so I can sick your duck..." - Big Boi

Flippin Titans lost. Nothin else to say, man. Flippin Titans lost. The Redskins won, so at least somebody in here should be filled with cheer and shout out with glee. Anyway, I'm here to discuss the BCS and the events that unfolded this football weekend. THANK YOU, LORD! If the BCS isn't the dumbest thing ever invented, then I don't know what is. First of all, I been saying all along Oklahoma ain't that good, they just benefit from a weak ass conference. The Big 12 has always been overrated and is even more so now, thanks to Nebraska's dominance in the 90's (when HOLLA was in). So what they rolled up on Texas and Oklahoma State? Texas is ALWAYS overrated - in fact, the reason they're 5th is beyond me since they got waxed by Oklahoma AT THEY OWN HOUSE and Arkansas served em AT THEY OWN HOUSE! Oklahoma State sucks but at least their ranking shows it. Oklahoma's toughest game was at Alabama, an SEC team that went 4-7, and Oklahoma should have lost. All that OU is the best ever nonsense had me wanting to smack these analysts! Second, I haven't been impressed with the teams USC has beaten, either. Their biggest win was against Wash State, and they suck, too. So what they beat up on Hawaii, soory ass Notre Dame and whatever wack team they beat. But at least when I watch USC, Mike WIlliams comes away looking like the truth. And LSU, in my opinion, plays in the toughest conference and gets penalized for beating a top ten team twice. The BCS is garbage. College football is garbage. They need a playoff and hopefully the K State disaster will put us closer to said playoff system so all these Big 12 and Pac 10 teams will quit beatin on they own sorry selves and have to play real competition outside their garbage conferences like FSU, UT, Miami, and Florida decide to do. Oklahoma didn't schedule one tough nonconference game, nor did USC. With a playoff, teams from the Big Ten and SEC and the new look ACC won't get punished for having to consistently play GOOD teams within their conference.

Here go some more beats I forgot about... Jadakiss/Alchemist on We Gon Make It - Project Pat/Three 6 on I Choose You - Camron/Just Blaze on Oh Boy and Nas's 2nd Childhood...

I'm out like my Tight Titans. Peace!

"...but it's always foward I'm moving, never backwards stupid.."-Nas

Hollyhood, I guess you're right dun, you can't dispute with that dude's opinions even if they're garbage. Also, look at this niggaz reasons for him not feeling Nas....lol....What nerve this guy has for criticizing an aritst for picking his/her singles. Let me explain something...I CAN was not meant to be a lyrical, metaphorical, or flowing wise masterpiece, nor go down in history as one of the greatest hip hop songs ever. Nas is 30 years old with a pre-teen daughter. This song was made for individuals like her, hence all of the children in the video. Also, today's HIP POP is so watered down with the "hustler this, thug that" gimmicks that it was only official to put this album out. Nas has been GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN his entire career, and that's why he stands out from every other artist. And on ILLMATIC he said "..versatile, my style switches like a faggot", so that should have hinted niggaz at what type of artist he was going to be...UNLESS YOUR FIRST HEARING OF ILLMATIC WAS IN 2001...lol...Nas does not and has never followed the "FORMULA" to making a "HIT RECORD", so that's why he can go from putting out a STREET DREAMS to an IF I RULED THE WORLD or from a GOT YOURSELF A GUN to an inspirational ONE MIC...it's nothing. On the other hand, lets take wack ass Ludacris for example, he's a perfect "FORMULA RAPPER"...this niggaz first single...FANTASY(or whatever the hell this gay shit was) sounds mad similar to his latest single STAND UP...yeah the choruses are different, but he spits about the same non-comical, "in the club", "i got all the hoes" garbage. I aint knockin his sales because the nigga does 3 mil every time he drops, but sales don't make an aritst it's his or her work...and this dude's work stinks big time.

Also, who cares if you've met people who feel the same way about Nas as you do. Nigga look where you reside...lol...I can say the same thing about Southern cRAP when I'm back at home also. And come on, you can't be serious about naming a song that's worse than I CAN(even though I CAN isn't bad)...where do you want me to start...How about MINNIE THE MOOCHER by 2 Wack Shakur...now that's one of the lamest joints not only in hip hop, but in music peiod.

Oh yeah, I quoted half of the duo that lyrically destroyed ya favorite rapper. I mean you quote homos like Eightball, MJG, and Pimp C...so what's ya point?

I'm gone...

any of yall heard about jungle saying him and wiz wrote all nas rhymes even back to illmatic and came up with the one mic concept and shit

Still ranting and raving, huh Hillis? Cousin, ask yourself how did I know you liked “Right Thurr?” How did I know you liked “Skeet Skeet?” It doesn’t take much to impress you, that’s all. I really feel that Holidae Inn and Right Thurr are different songs. Unlike your boy Luda where every verse sounds like the other verse/song, Chingy came with a different style on H-Inn. But call it hypocritical if you want, to me he actually flows on one of said songs. Furthermore, don’t fake, you like it too, lol. Moving on, I have to say you really did surprise me. I already knew that you didn’t get the point of “Hey Ya” on your own. In my heart I knew, lol. I figured you read it or you heard your boy TRY to explain what it was about, (which is nothing). But knowing this and proving it are two different things. I thought you were going to try to act like you listened to the song a couple of times and then understood his hidden meaning. But you told the truth and admitted that you ain’t know what cuz was talking about either. On the real, no educated or non educated person that I asked (all fans of his) could tell me what the song “Hey Ya” is about…well, you told me, but you did research. Anyway, you ain’t lie about it and I respect that. Moving on, that is the 3rd verse. Since when did THE SAME ad libs get said over and over when he performs the song? I saw that bamma singing that song on some channel, not the video and he said that same Beyonce’/ Lucy Lue crap. Yes, the website did tell me that that was the third verse, but like most people, I already knew. So you trying to convince me that this bamma ad libs about 20 lines? LOL, you’re sad. Who is he, Alicia Keys? And if you want me to put the other two verses, go ahead and request it. Out of about 32 bars, he only says something about the alleged topic 3 or 4 times. Face it, the joint is like a Luda song…pointless. Moving on, why is it whenever I speak the truth about one of your friends (i.e. Outkast and Ludacris) you feel the need to mention Hood, and Kiss and others who are way better? I ain’t never heard Luda kick one line that could mess with that East 99 CD. Yeah Wish ain’t doing nothing now, but that doesn’t take away what he brought to the game. Now what has Luda brought? And like I told you before, I don’t care about sales. So he went platinum a few times. That’s foolishness. If I like a song I like it. Of course if I’m a fan of the rapper, I want him or her to do well with sells; yeah I want them to have the number one video, but I’ma like them regardless if they can flow. That’s why I can enjoy Hood. Chicken and Beer? Please. The title alone should have tipped you off about cuz. You seriously believe that he deserves to be mentioned with Nas? And I doubt that Jada requested that Luda spit on that remix since it wasn’t even his song. And why do you pretend to believe that Nas was worried about your boy? Like he said “Oh Luda gonna be up on here, I better bring my A-game. He put together a nice verse, because it was his song and he wanted to put together a nice verse. I thought Luda had a CD called Chicken and Beer, if not, then my bad. But I know “I Can” is better then “Just Like That” or whatever it’s called Mr. Technical. Seriously, his stressing every other word flow is not all that good to me and his lyrics don’t move me. I will say unlike most of the peeps you repped, he doesn’t seem to write his bars in just two seconds, but still I’m not feeling bro. Be honest with your self. Is he even in your top five (dead or alive)? Where would he rank? What is it you even like about him. “Skeet Skeet” and “I Can?” Okay I know what “I Can” is about, now explain “Skeet Skeet.” I refuse to even believe that you said “Skeet Skeet” is better; I probably read it wrong. With all due respect, I don’t care how Best feels about Luda, I know I don’t like him and Best’s words don’t sway me. Now I will say you had a point when he gave Jay his props, but I still had to hear Jay myself and see how I felt, despite what he or anybody else said. B.I.G was one of the best during his run, he rapped with Mase, Puff and The L.O.X. At the time NONE of them were on his level. I like Hood because he can spit. I like Jada because he can spit. Jada did a track with Fiend, it ain’t move me, I still don’t like him. Pac did countless songs with people I didn’t like. I think Luda with Nas is a thing for Luda’s résumé, for Luda’s braging rights, not but not Nas’. Furthermore, the “East Coast bias” comment holds about as much water as the so-called liberal media bias. Bamma, I don’t care where somebody resides when I listen to music. If it appeals to my ears then I’ll like it, case closed. I don’t care if they are from Mars. Additionally, I would say about 99% of the time, when I first hear an artist, I don’t even have a clue where they are from or where they rep. That seriously has zero affect on how I feel about a track. When I first heard and saw Tank, I thought he was from Down THEAH, but that was in the back of my mind. What I cared about was his song, “I Deserve,” was hot. Come to find out he grew up close to my hometown. I didn’t know Pac came outta B-More when I heard “Brenda’s Gotta Baby.” It was a good song and that’s all that counted/ counts (to me). Moving on, that nonsense you spat about Korea, China and Egypt was laced with so much nonsense that you lost me and I don’t even care. So I simply say, okay. They play hip-hop around the world. You win. And the subject and point were the same in both sentences you and I know it. In your heart you know (and so does everybody else.) It’s too bad for you that it’s actually there in black and white so you can’t even dispute it, HA. And I’ll root for the Titans when they are playing somebody I despise, until then I’m focused on my R-Skins. Bruce got the record, Ramsey gonna get fixed up and we got a shot at 500. You think the TITans can win three straight road PLAYOFF games? I don’t know.

Madd rapper. Naw I ain’t hear nor do I believe that. Simply because I ain’t never heard them spit nothing like Nas. I did hear them spit verses that I was feeling, but if you wrote all of Nas’ stuff then your stuff should be just as tight, right?

This bamma came up in MY home and beat me 3 times in Madden. That clown. Well, he will be invited back and I'ma wear him out the next time.

"So I keep one eye open like, C-B-S, ya see me stressed right?" - Jay-Z

These clowns... Two flippin clowns...

Ok, Clown #1 (aka Foolout), you are a MORON. I have since come to the conclusion that you haven't actually heard Hey Ya or even seen the video. You're so embarassed that you were WRONG about Hey Ya not having a point, you're trying to turn the whole song into a verse just to support your INCORRECT conclusion. YOU WERE WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Quit makin up verses! Quit goin to websites and gettin more WRONG info and trying to pass it off as fact! YOU ARE/WERE/WILL CONTINUE TO BE WRONG! WRONG! INCORRECT! You made a major FAUX PAS! WRONG! YOU ARE NOT RIGHT! lol

<> "Yeah?" <> "ICE COLD!" <> "ICE COLD!" - Look, ASS, that is simply Andre speaking to the band. That's absolutely NOT a verse! And rather than post the next part, I'll let you know he begins speaking to the ladies in the crowd. If you saw the video you should know this. Speaking to band members and people in the crowd is NOT a verse. So then he starts going shake it and shake it like a polaroid picture and sayin all right over and over again. True, you can call it wack and pointless, but it's not a verse. He's speaking to the ladies in the crowd. Then here's where you baffle me with your stupidity. "Now all Beyonce's and Lucy Liu's get on the floor... (Get on the floor! You know what to doo-oo-ooo...)" That is NOT a verse. You're a dumb ass! HE'S NOT SINGING! In the video, it's his altar ego on bass guitar talking into the mic. He's talking to all the ladies in the crowd. Then the lead singer goes "Get on the floor..." That's not a verse. Yes, it's a flippin ad lib. The first two verses are clear cut but all of a sudden the 3rd verse is only 10 words? F OUTTA HERE with your stupidity!

When did I ever say I liked Right Thurr? Find it. Post it. Better yet, forget it because you won't find it MORON! I said it was aiight. And the only reason I say it's aiight is because I've heard it 5 million times and I've gotten used to it. Shit like "Gimme what you got for a pork chop" may be tight to Chingy fans like yourself, but I thought it was wack. Also, I like Holidae Inn. Ludacris, Snoop, and the beat are flippin flames. I just wasn't impressed by Chingy's mediocre lyrics ("I walked out the bathroom still smiling, blah, blah, wildin, yadda yadda lookin like a island") - like I said, you being a Chingy fan with your high music standards, I'm glad you found a lyricist who "raps about something" and doesn't "write his raps in 10 minutes." Bamma.

I'm glad you were confused about that Japan and Saudi Arabia logic, too. Now you know how I felt when YOU brought it up...

You haven't spit any "truths" about Outkast or Ludacris. You have either spit your opinion or you've spit something wrong. Name me ONE thing you said about Luda that was true and not just your Chingy lovin opinion. And did you even read the two sentences I posted? How in the world can you claim the subject and point were the same? Explain yourself. Unless you're scared and then I would understand...

"Okay I know what "I Can" is about, now explain "Skeet Skeet." - QJS Do you REALLY want me to explain it? Or do you want an avenue to ramble on about this one part of the song that doesn't connect for you? Cause I explained Hey Ya and you still haven't shut up! Ah well, bleep it, "Get Low" (skeet skeet) is about going to the club and tellin the ladies to dance or "get low." Now just because this one line or one part might not follow along doesn't mean that's not what the song is about. I think it's clear; I didn't need to read up on it. How you could listen to the song and miss that, I don't know, but you did, so I explained it to you. So now that you know the point, you probably like it now, right?

Oh, well, now on to Clown #2. Actually, clown #2 doesn't deserve a response. But I reponded to Boob, I guess I can respond to this dickhead who DISSES DA DIRTY but CHOOSES to live here, lol...

"What nerve this guy has for criticizing an aritst for picking his/her singles." - Bestina

LMAO! I say old chap, this strapping young lad hath offended us with his nerve and audacity... LMAO! I see English as a Second Language is going well...

"Half of the duo that lyrically destroyed your favorite rapper..." Let's see, since Mobb Deep got embarrased/clowned/murdered on Hit Em Up and decided to drop the extremely terrible "Leave A Diamond Near Em" or whatever the hell it is, their career went to the toilet. They have dropped the terrible Hell On Earth and Quiet Storm and gotten dissed by Nas and have been completely forgotten about. 2Pac, on the other hand, has been elevated in status and he has continued to get platinum plaques over 7 years since his death. Now Chino XL had no career to begin with, but Mobb Deep did. And it's been destroyed. They were wack anyway, but 2Pac came and put em out their misery. But you and the 10 people who still like Mobb Deep can keep quotin "Put A Ruby By Em" and all their other terrible lyrics... And I couldn't care less if Nas has a preteen daughter. The song still sucks. It's still the worst rap song of all time. Easily. Now if you don't like Luda, I don't care, but FANTASY and STAND UP aren't about the same thing. The former is about sex, the latter about the club. But still, Nas HAS been going against the grain his entire career. We keep expecting classics, and he keeps delivering trash, lol...

I'm out like these two clowns and all their nonsense. Peace!