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― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 June 2008 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I was semi-tempted to post that and actually make it NSFW just to avoid any confusion but thought that would be mean.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 June 2008 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link
so consensus is:
-no big crossover albums -rolling balkanization -not enough discussion on poll threads
Can't do shit about #1. #2 can be helped by maybe starting independent threads for stuff Rolling dudes think might have broader appeal? #3 might be helped by starting interesting polls.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link
Could you start a poll thread on that?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
The point about the clannishness of the rolling threads is that, for the posters within them, it's quite handy to have a place where a basic level of knowledge of the product is already there, so posts don't have to start with "Royce Da 5'9" is a Detroit area known for his early association with Detroit hip hop luminary Eminem and subsequent solo career, during which he has released 3 studio albums as well as numerous mixtapes."
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link
"Black Sabbath were a band formed by four gentlemen in a mystic far away land, one of whom lacked some parts of fingers."
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
so posts don't have to start with "Royce Da 5'9" is a Detroit area known for his early association with Detroit hip hop luminary Eminem and subsequent solo career, during which he has released 3 studio albums as well as numerous mixtapes."
ha actually i would be in support of this cuz new jacks would be informed and conscegneti could lol @ the stiffness of the language
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:04 (sixteen years ago) link
conscegneti
nb this word does not actually mean anything
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i think he's a shortstop for the brooklyn dodgers
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
The "Sceg"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't see why ILx should have to do homework for lazy people who can't be bothered to Google or otherwise find out for themselves.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
lovely with carbonara though.
― Mark G, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
This isn't a mandate, Marcello, it's a suggestion as a way to inform the uninformed in order to usher new people into discussion.
xp
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:09 (sixteen years ago) link
The point about the clannishness of the rolling threads is that, for the posters within them, it's quite handy to have a place where a basic level of knowledge of the product is already there
Of course, no point in anyone else getting involved with them
― Tom D., Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link
No. The uninformed should inform themselves before coming on here.
More elitism, more intimidation - then standards of discourse might be raised since posters will be expected to work harder.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link
so according to marcello if anything is stultifying the debate on ILM it is the lack of intimidation and elitism?
― braveclub, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
They don't need a message board they need a good stint in the army, or maybe down the mines.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link
God, even this thread is boring.
― Eppy, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Good to see the old style Marcello coming back.
― Raw Patrick, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, June 5, 2008 2:11 PM
I understand where you're coming from, and it's certainly plausible that an uptick in elitism would weed out lolposts and make everyone start posting in paragraphs again, but it seems just as likely that this place would become just as boring as Dissensus as a result.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link
I dunno. I found the Ashlee Simpson thread elitist and intimidating in the best sense of both terms - I don't know enough about her music to join in the discussion, and I'm afraid the writing doesn't quite convince me that her music is worth knowing, but hey! Serious, intelligent and evocative discussion on ILM in 2008! Who'd've thought it? A few more threads of that calibre would be more than welcome.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago) link
The main reason it sucks now is because nearly everyone who is the least bit interesting has been banned.
― res, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Dissensus painted itself into its own corner very early on and it's never really recovered.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
OTM on that Ashlee Simpson thread
― Tom D., Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
We could be the zingy One Touch Football.
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link
what i remember being annoying about dissensus was how slowly everything would load
― deej, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah that's the annoying thng about Dissensus
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Is that still going? Only ever looked at it once or twice.
― Tom D., Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link
actually Dom, recently there's been a very similar thread over on OTF re the quietness of the Music section. guess its just one of those phases for all as has been mentioned previously.
― mark e, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link
The QUIETUS-ness of the music section morelike amirite?
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Dom Passantino, Thursday, June 5, 2008 9:35 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
ha well i just gave up before actually reading the content at a certain pt
― deej, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been feeling the same for a few months now, dunno why...I scan New Answers prepared to not see anything I'm very interested in & rarely if ever read the poll threads.
I'm in one of those periodic phases right now where the only thing I can listen to is The Fall or talk radio. And what is there to post about the new Fall record...? GUYS THIS ONE IS REALLY GOOD I'M SERIOUS (It really is though)
Re: the rolling threads I don't find them exclusionary or clubby at all, & I esp. value the big ears and opinions on the psych/drone thread though I rarely post there...
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link
v. smooth sir.
― mark e, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Current top four threads on Dissensus:
Grime Top Tens incedental (sic) music New Skweee Mix crucial new riddims
QED
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL more like
― Tom D., Thursday, 5 June 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i get the impression that nothing interesting ever happens on that board
― braveclub, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i think one big problem is that new pop music is increasingly irrelevant to anyone's lives
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
New pop music is fantastic and selling, what's wrong with you
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm here for old stuff. Can I wait til new pop is old?
― gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link
your honour, i move the following be blasted into the sun and re-funkified:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=566k5h8M9f8
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link
what is new pop music for? staking out tribal ground? we have a million other ways to do that now. cause it sounds good and makes us dance around? i've already got more songs than i can ever listen to that do that already. to challenge a staid society? please.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
Your name is Nick Hornby and you have been formally been disqualified from ILM. Now foxtrot off to the first Old Tyme Dancing messageboard you can find for all your Wee Georgie Elrick needs.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
My own self-amused argument of late -- pop music is the biggest musical subculture there is, because it's *all* subcultural.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah sorry, that was pretty low-quality trolling. see that's what comes of just sticking it onto the bottom of a longer thread rather than having the pressure and performance of a new thread all your own.
xpost
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Ned i have no idea what you're talking about
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
The Billboard Hot 100 Top Ten:
1. Lil Wayne feat. Static Major - "Lollipop" 2. Leona Lewis - "Bleeding Love" 3. Coldplay - "Viva La Vida" 4. Rihanna - "Take a Bow" 5. Katy Perry - "I Kissed a Girl" 6. Usher feat. Young Jeezy - "Love in This Club" 7. Jordin Sparks Duet with Chris Brown - "No Air" 8. Ray J and Yung Berg - "Sexy Can I" 9. David Cook - "The Time of My Life" 10. Madonna eat. Justin Timberlake - "Four Minutes"
Seriously, who gives a shit about any of these songs? Even "Four Minutes" didn't spark 1/10 as much discussion as "Hung Up" did.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
the answer to ilm sucking is obviously more navel-gazing
― am0n, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Tracer: it's hard for me to easily sum up, honestly (and I really, REALLY have to get back to some work here) but I think the slow-grind collapse of the music industry specifically is taking the wind out of the idea of 'pop music' as universal cultural benchmark. Related to that, I think that's a big reason why 'pop music' as such has gained such relative cultural cachet from commentators this decade, it provides something to hold onto even while the business side of it ebbs away. Again, I'm not stating this as pithily (or probably accurately) as I'd like, but I'm trying to make a distinction as well between 'here is why I like or dislike (x)' -- that's why I think Snrub's complaint just now is an invalid one -- and an assumption that there's an actual mass engagement with (x) in the first place. Subject for another thread at this point, I think, or an old one continuing this kind of discussion.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously, who gives a shit about the Billboard charts?
― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
As good an indicator of the most popular pop music at a certain moment as any I guess.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 June 2008 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link