Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?

I'm going to listen to my namesake song again.

I may be new and not know shit but I do know I don't like this kid at all.

No, I really like it as well.

whatever

What do you think of The Bad Seeds? Surely you must like them... ?

no

The last record of his I bought was "Murder Ballads" and I didn't really like it much and at the time was getting into some different music. I've been curious about the last three, but not enough to search them out.

Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?

regards,

REB

regards,

REB

The BDay Party were fucking wicked and badass and awesome.
Solo Nick Cave is hit and miss with some really awesome moments and some really low, bad moments.

But if it isn't totally awesome, then its atleast usually pretty funny.

I've also been listening to B-Sides & Rarities on my ipod, and that 3rd disc just keeps blowing my mind. Some of that stuff is jaw-droppingly good.

Just felt like gushing... that's all.. :)

I would love to see the Lyre Of Orpheus/Abbattoir Blues tour, that gospel choir he's got going would kill live. Imagine 'There She Goes, My Beautiful World' live. I'm also interested in their dynamic now that Blixa has gone. I wonder who'll do Kylie's part now on the live performances of "Where The Wild Roses Grow". Blixa had such a lovely falsetto. Maybe Mick will pitch in...

He’s deeply in love with himself as an allegorical fabulist, but the stories are trite and boring (cf his novels as well). Coupled with the Christlike pose struck in his goodwill-to-all-men missives … nah. Hope you enjoyed the coronation pal.

yeah...for me the process is when I was younger I considered him a great lyricist. then two things happened: he got older and so did I. the fiery pyrotechnics of his younger writing gave way to his version of mature writing, but he's not really as good at that, and the pyrotechnic stuff ("Mutiny!" and most of the first Bad Seeds album typify what I mean by that -- hyperverbal excited stuff dense with lurid imagery) I'd kind of outgrown, though I can still get a kick out of it. I'll go to the mat for him as a performer, I think he has few peers and even continues to grow, but as a writer that's just not what I'm into as a grownup. it has taken me years to admit this.

We got standing tickets for Glasgow and they were about £72 each all told, with excruciating fees of course.

She must just be unlucky with Cardiff then.

I didn't look at seated prices at all, but the presale standing allocation did seem to sell out quite quickly.

Foi Na Cruz was the beginning of the end for my liking him. Everything Birthday Party & the first four Bad Seeds albums (Tender Prey maybe, if there's room left) = desert island, the rest: not so much (even though there were some good tracks here and there, it just wasnt the same anymore) - I'm not hating on artists who get clean or start a family, it just how it turns out that "the tormented artist makes the best art" cliché didn't come out of thin air.

Foi na cruz is one of my fav bad seeds songs. Power ballad!!!

I love that you love that :-)

I'm the opposite, finding the best parts of the 21st-century albums what works best for me ("Higgs Boson Blues" and "Push The Sky Away" and more). The lurid earlier songs, maybe because I first heard them in audiences with frat-like guys singing along to "Stagger Lee," feel more distanced from the violence and death in the lyrics, and the most recent ones treat them as tangible.

As a lyricist I find him well-intentioned but ultimately pretty mid (as the kids say). When his music was more furious he could at least fake his way into matching it (see: Grindeman, which pretty effortlessly reverts back closer to formative form), but his more subdued current mode (I assume; I haven't heard the new one) brings the focus squarely on the words, and imo they're just not as compelling as intended. Which is odd, because I do often find him pretty thoughtful and perceptive and intelligent, even funny, it's just not translating to the albums.

Rain your kisses down upon me
Rain your kisses down in storms
And for all who'll come before me
In your slowly fading forms
I'm going out of my mind
Will leave me standing in
The rain with a letter and a prayer
Whispered on the wind

It's been happening for awhile, but he's seriously treading into late Scott Walker territory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNfrLoQdB_E

idk i get the comparison but it has none of walker's bleakness so it's a completely different feeling, it's grandiose and beautiful

some pretty great bass from greenwood here

yeah i guess I was just thinking of his crooning and obtuse lyrics, but it's definitely a different vibe

(also I think a lot of Walker's later output was grandiose and beautiful in its own way)

To my surprise I kinda like it

love it and def. hear walker, and just generally a more baroque pop vibe than I've heard from him much before.

After one listen in... Maybe he was shooting for Scott Walker and hit Ferry instead?

Haven't listened to the new tracks much - just waiting for the album & I'm interested for the first time in a while - but hadn't heard and just enjoyed this Cave/Mick Harvey chat from a couple of years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIfdR-ond5c

38 years to the day since Kicking Against The Pricks came out.

The recent Colbert appearance was quite good, I thought:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8qmV6MYCF4

((✊))

most of the album is pretty good but "o wow o wow" is kinda terrible

kinda wish it went more in the direction of being abbatoir blues/lyre of orpheus 2 which is what the best stuff here is reminiscent of

kinda wish it went more in the direction of being abbatoir blues/lyre of orpheus 2 which is what the best stuff here is reminiscent of

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Yes, and like everything post Skeleton Tree it feels a bit undercooked

Having said that I liked it way more then I was expecting

most of the album is pretty good but "o wow o wow" is kinda terrible

Haha this song is something, though I think I loved it

ghosteen wasn't undercooked at all, it's one of his very best, but this has nothing on it

I think this is good? If maybe a little samey, which they have been for a while now. Really like Cinnamon Horses. Need to spend more time with it.

O wow O wow is amazing

Struggling with the excess of choir on this record. I mean, a little really goes a long way

coming back to say again how great O Wow O Wow is....

The stringsy choir god touches reminds me not so much of Lyre/Abattoir but rather recent Sault and their own twist towards eccentric gospel. Not specific motifs, but the same freewheeling collage of styles, gooves and narratives. Cave’s approach isn’t working for me but he isn’t falling back on formula.

thanks for recommending O Wow O Wow, it really is great