Pavement:Classic or Dud

It being Preston, Lancashire would have fitted Pavement's rather tiresome Anglophile image, I suppose.

well because your vitriol for the indie bands you don't like is so potent! but what people don't realize is that this is only because a True Indie Rock Player cannot tolerate impure visions, hangers-on, fake players in tha tr00 game! Why ride the Night Train to Butterglory when you can have the '97 California Cabernet of Trigger Cut! latecomers get a late pass, we been up in this game since the jump!

best song off S&E sounds least like the rest; i'd like them if all their songs sounded like that one.

With each Pavement album, there's like six good-to-great songs, and the rest is just absolute self-indulgent wankery garbage. It's shocking that their first couple records have achieved the status of Perfect Canonical Rock Classics That Everyone Should Buy. TRUST ME - THEY'RE NOT!

I completely agree with that, at least for S&E. I couldn't even listen to CRCR-- particularly that godawful single "Cut Your Hair"; Wowee Zowee and Brighten the Corners failed to make any impression on me whatsoever-- well, except that they seemed exceedingly mediocre. S&E has a few good songs, but "Here" is the standout tune, and it doesn't sound like the rest. I never feel inclined to listen to anything else by Pavement besides that song.

here?

also, classic!

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the last song sounds a lot like "here." i'm blanking on the name. "i've been waiting. anticipating."

pavement are my favorite band ever. it makes me a little sad to know that some people don't like them; there's certainly some aspect of their music that everyone can love. a lot of people complain about malkmus' voice (especially early), but i think that he does some fantastic things with his voice that don't really fall under the "technical" category.
i've never really heard anyone say that the guy can't write a tune, mostly because that would be absurd to say. i can see why some people would be a bit put off by his (to them) excessive ennui and laid-back style, but for me that just enhanced what i loved about him. also, the more time you spend with the records, the more you can appreciate the songs which aren't as obvious at first. i know he first time i listened to S+E, i didnt really 'get' it besides "here", which i probably put on repeat for 5 hours straight. once you get adjusted to that particular style, the other stuff starts to make sense. what might ostensibly be "self-indulgent" are to me fruitful exercises in his singular, genius style. to each his own, though.

mr snrub, that's "our singer", S+E's closer

http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/2009/02/the_spin_pavement_reunion_at_t.php

four-fifths of Pavement reunites (not really) for Bob N.'s wedding

was spiral stairs not invited? harsh.
i certainly wouldn't mind seeing Pavement play live again, but all of the hubbub and hype that would accompany a potential reunion would be dreadful, I'm sure.

Bob Nastanovich says:

... As far as Pavement goes, I'd have gladly played Pavement song(s). My parts were mostly easy as many of you know and require little practice. I'd love it if Pavement reunited. Gary Young and Scott Kannberg were not invited to the wedding as I have not kept up with either as well as I should have over the last 10-15 years. Our wedding was limited to 100 guests (with plenty of family involved (both sides)). In my opinion, there should not be a Pavement reunion without all six members involved. Anyways, for the record, I'm game...

Best, Bob N

p.s. The first toast goes to Tony Crow. BN

Posted On: Monday, Feb. 23 2009 @ 10:42PM

Ha, so Bob is suggesting that the Pavement reunion should have three drummers? Uhhh. Anyway, this is probably inevitable, since they've all been "game" since the band broke up! I assume all it would take is a phone call from Malkmus.

My favorite description of them is still from GQ's 1992 year end list: "The Knack meets Sonic Youth"

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h271/stckhlmcnd/YouTube-Pavement-MajorLeagues_12486.jpg

<3

terror twilight will have its proper due someday. it might take another ten years.

Well i'm sure we'll be getting one of those deluxe reissues sometime soon

can some kind soul seed the live LP that came with BtC reissue? thanks in advance if you can

http://theblackenedair.blogspot.com/2009/01/pavement-live-europaturnen-mcmxcvii.html
it's great, btw ...

how nice of you! happy holidays, friend!

classic

you know what was a killer pavement tune? 'robyn turned 26', from the grand royal groovebox comp a while back. it's like they decided to out-grand royal all the grand royal artists on their own album. brilliant.

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I don't know if i've ever heard this song?

it is not very good
also, that blog has the *other* limited pave live lp up: http://theblackenedair.blogspot.com/2009/08/pavement-live-europaturnen-mcmxcvii.html
not as good as the first one, but pretty good!

also: so classic. slanted and enchanted just gets better as time goes on.

wait a minute, there are two diff live shows with the same title and cover? sorry, i am a little bleary, having just put my cat to sleep :(

yeah one came with the BtC reissue and one was released for record store day.

wow. that's diabolically great. the purple one doesn't seem to still be available on that blog site, i guess that's the better one that came with the pre-order cd

both are from the 1997 european tour. sorry about your cat.

maybe this works? http://chainedandperfumed.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/live-europaturnen-mcmxcvii-2/

could be. "Getting stoned and making music" is reflexively a blunt summarization of pavement's approach to recording & performing the album prior, a "summary act" if you will, that malkmus perhaps felt he no longer needed?

sorry i wasn't reflecting on pavement's career here at all. just struck me as funny when i was stoned and making music. i do think it's a good metaphor for the creative process when you're baked though

Yeah, I get it. I'm just not stoned (at work) right now and saw aopportunity to parse pavement lyrics instead of working. ;-)

Hm, another new single disc “hits” collection with 2025 remasters:

https://pavement.bandcamp.com/album/hecklers-choice-big-gums-and-heavy-lifters-a-pavement-collection"> https://pavement.bandcamp.com/album/hecklers-choice-big-gums-and-heavy-lifters-a-pavement-collection

Wonder if this hints at another reissue campaign or something. Was hoping it’d be for the doc soundtrack physical release.

wow what are they doing? crazy

they're doing a physical release for the soundtrack in november

A little baffled by how short (not to mention unnecessary) this is—only 12 tracks?

Arbitrary track choices too. A bunch of "Hits" but also sporadic deepish cuts like Date w/Ikea. What is the point?

the reasoning behind inclusion of "Ikea" is probably just "we should have a spiral song on here" ...

pretty pointless release, but I guess they just want some more product.

interested to see what the upcoming shows are like ... maybe just more of the same?

What's wrong with including "Ikea"? It's great.

uh

it is not good

Beggars/Matador probably realized having a greatest hits/best of collection that does not contain their ~biggest~ hit was a huge marketing miss...

so this short, attention-span-challenged collection fills in that gap.

if we're talking spiral songs, I'd take "kennel district" over "ikea"

but yes, this definitely feels like they're approaching the Hendrix-style legacy at this point, they should have named it "barrel scraping and depth-plumbing: strictly for the streamers" for more transparency

^^^ or western homes (or mussel rock)

I mean, yeah: it's basic ass greatest hits. Single disc vinyl for newcomers. I don't need it. You probably don't either. But someone does.

Western Homes would certainly be a flex.

Date With Ikea is great!

it's trash

okay, boo.

I like “IKEA” but 12 tracks is way too stingy regardless.

Agreed. Certainly sticks to their poppier side. Could use a scuzzier companion.

Westing!

I don't need it. You probably don't either. But someone does.

if the target demographic here is new, young fans--and I agree that it is--aren't the vast, vast majority of them listening to music via streaming? idgi

well it first showed up yesterday as a spotify playlist so yes, they know how there bread is buttered.

their*

Westing!

YUP!

They had to go with IKEA because using “Kennel D” would’ve violated this comp’s official “no Wowee Zowee songs at all” stance.

Well, that’s money I can spend elsewhere.

Seems like the main purpose is to have a single LP best-of that has "Harness Your Hopes" (and their other most-streamed songs) on it. I can imagine some newer fans buying it.

Re-issue! Re-package! Re-package!
Re-evaluate the songs
double-pack with a photograph 3
Extra Track (and a tacky badge)