I was coming here to post that I thought Pitchfork's review was actually pretty good. At least, for once, the reviewer writes about what the damn record sounds like.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, October 8, 2010 10:43 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the complaint about writers not doing this enough is bullshit largely.
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
as if only they would say "apocolyptic soundscapes" more often music writing would be better?? dubstep state of mind
ethan made me spit dr pepper all over my keyboard once when he called afu ra "jeru's jeru." salem is like dubstep's dubstep's dubstep
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i've listened to this a couple times and i think it's interesting. that sounds like weak praise, but i mean it's holding my interest. i don't know what they think they're doing. the racial queasiness reminds me a lot of pussy galore, of all things. i am put off by the thought that maybe we're supposed to take the rapping seriously. on the record it's just a kind of sound; like they wanted some screw vocals on a song and instead of sampling something they just had one guy do it. all lot of the beats are off-kilter and unfunky and it's hard to tell if this is intentionally jarring or if they just kind of suck at programming. that's part of the "interest", how much of what they're doing is what the mean to be doing.
like it wouldn't even occur to me to criticize them because there's druggy actual-rap out there that's better -- the answer is "of course" and "so what"
― goole, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
aside from the fact that this a positive review of salem, this is one of the first fitzmo reviews to please meh, aside from the "despite all these genre influences they still sound like themselves!" which is always a boring & trite conclusion to draw
also thought it was weird that he singled out the rapping as aesthetically ugly while still generally praising music that is "EQ'd-to-shit" and produces "sheer noise"
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the racial queasiness reminds me a lot of pussy galore, of all things.
Everything I've read about these guys sounds kinda like a post-hiphop Royal Trux.
― da croupier, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
that's giving them a bit too much credit, really.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
haha I guess, though aside from a few songs I've never gotten the Royal Trux hype either
― da croupier, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Cmon. I love this record but that does a disservice to the greatest rock and roll band America has produced in the last 25 years.
this, otoh:
on the record it's just a kind of sound; like they wanted some screw vocals on a song and instead of sampling something they just had one guy do it
is otm.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not sure how many people are familiar with the phenomonen of Christopher Weingarten, but he's the former drummer of Parts & Labor turned into some sort of faintly terrifying meta-hipster who writes for Village Voice and advocates twitrter based music journalism. At present his last tweet says 'So which alt-weekly music section or sub-Mog meme-hunter is gonna do the definitive Google-bait blog post on "What Is Rape Gaze?"', which sort of lets you know what you're getting yourself in for.
LOL. From here: http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4269138?community-latest
And it turns out the Google-bait has been gobbled up by, you guessed it....
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2010/10/the_horrifyingl.php
― Position Position, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
if i understand correctly, reverse trending is an if->then logical fallacy, where someone makes a claim, which logically leads to a second claim. you show the second claim, and then assume the first. the problem is that if->then logic doesn't work that way (if =! if and only if, or if =! iff for logicians out there)
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
that should have read something like, "you show that the second claim is true and then conclude that the first claim must also be true"
i'm not really clear how this applies to wack new styles of indie rock but i'm curious to hear
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought you like these guys!
― goole, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
-d
he liked dj nate too iirc
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
So am I the only one who hears Excepter when I listen to Salem? Or do people just not care about Excepter anymore?
I never got Royal Trux either. To call them a great rock band demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "rock."
Loved Pussy Galore, though; still listen to them all the time. You could ram a cattle prod up each member of Salem's asses and they wouldn't muster 1/1000 the energy of PG.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not the energy level that made me think of them
― goole, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I love Excepter but haven't been impressed by any of the Salem tracks I've heard...
xp
― yeah ilxor stop throwing dog shit on a MAGICAL moment. (ilxor), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
You could ram a cattle prod up each member of Salem's asses and they wouldn't muster 1/1000 the energy of PG.
Depends -- is the cattle prod a top or a bottom?
― yeah ilxor stop throwing dog shit on a MAGICAL moment. (ilxor), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
ILX field trip to Salem, MA this Halloween!
― markers, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Moonship otm in syllogistic terms; you frame a context in which a trend is suggested or defined, and if that framework is affirmed by acceptance, odds are the components - which can be fake events, genres, people, whatever you like - will be affirmed transitively. It's more difficult to do with facts and people, but lazily easy to dick around with in music and art criticism. It's an abuse of position, self-amusement, hype; which is all Larry's guilty of. People would be less apoplectic if he'd been clumsier or the term was less plausibly true. Rape-gaze is slick execution - a lot of the reactions are about people fearing they're out of the loop, hereslookin@u - but it's a trick I loathe in any case.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
'innovation' covered by music writing often becomes a part of how music develops tho (by music writing i mean ... discourse around music)
years of ppl talking about timbaland = indie artists start imitating timbaland etc
what i mean is that talk is just as much a part of music as music is slippery slope etc
in this case i more or less agree but thought that was worth pointing out
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
No, of course, I mean...I'm not indicting the guy's review, it's better than most, and it measures up to the amount of (inter-crit/media) attention the record's drummed up. It's just that "rape-gaze" to me smacks of "wish I thought of chillwave".
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
should have gone w/ 'stillbornwave'
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
'death panels'
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
OH MAN
http://twitter.com/1000timesyes
Someone is going to play Chilean miners a Salem record and they'll ask to be put back in the hole. Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:01:50 AM via web
looooooooooool
― yeah ilxor stop throwing dog shit on a MAGICAL moment. (ilxor), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
rmde
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
that was 'heh' funny not 'loooooooool' funny
― thank you based mod (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
"and i know because no one i know thinks that's funny"
― underrated SCAREosmith albums I have loved (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
dawg that was a leno punchline
― trollin trollin trollin we aint slept in weeks (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
PLZ KEEP WHINEY/DEEJ BEEF OUT OF THIS IMPORTANT THREAD
― markers, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor feels like a twitter aggregator more and more which is kind of sad 2 me all these yrs l8r.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
deej,
i mean, i def agree with you that it's a not-very-good joke. i'm just saying let ilxor say something nice to me ffs
― underrated SCAREosmith albums I have loved (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles26006.jpghas someone already posted a pic of this? i think this is where witch house was invented all those years ago in Salem MA.
― tylerw, Friday, 8 October 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
??
― yeah ilxor stop throwing dog shit on a MAGICAL moment. (ilxor), Friday, 8 October 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i *do* like salem, at about 7.5 level, but the idea of an entire genre of salem-alikes is disturbing
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
cf i like emeralds and ducktails but i think triangle music / chillwave as a whole is pretty gross
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway i don't really like or dislike music - i either don't care or have a love-hate relationship, tbh
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
ha!
i've never had the energy or the wallet/filehunting patience to follow a whole movement, even a small one.
― goole, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
it all sounds like some ~~background shit~~ to me, seeing it be a crit phenomenon as a whole is bafflingbut then i like reading simon reynolds so
― trollin trollin trollin we aint slept in weeks (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
im not sure if that last phrase implies im a hypocrit, or the opposite, or both
― trollin trollin trollin we aint slept in weeks (deej), Friday, 8 October 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i either don't care or have a love-hate relationship, tbh
o_O
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 8 October 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
it's called high negative capability
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
thnx moonship re: reverse trending.cott, are you talking about "writers making up genre names/scenes"?
― m0stlyClean, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
the idea of an entire genre of salem-alikes is disturbing
http://www.discount-cheap-cigarettes.net/images/cigarettes/salem_lights.jpg
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 8 October 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
sounds more like anhedonia?
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Friday, 8 October 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I still want to start a band called Giles Corey. Our first album is going to be called Weight, and our second album will be called More Weight.
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/lastwords/giles.jpg
― markers, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link
1,000,000x better than any "witch house" group i've heard
http://www.cokemachineglow.com/images/9217.jpg
― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 8 October 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
truth bomb
― underrated SCAREosmith albums I have loved (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 8 October 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Back in the olden days in my GCSE English class we were asked to write about a character from the Crucible, and I chose Giles Corey.
― village idiot (dog latin), Friday, 8 October 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link