WAKA

jess has gone soft

anyone who can get w/ MOP & not this is fronting

Things just ain't the same for gangstas.
Times is changing, young niggas is aging

hey, i love shouting about guns. i just don't want all the effort to be expended on the shouting part.

BOW BOW BOW

WAKA WAKA HYUCK!

not sure how that excuses MOP xxp

i like the production the best, jess!

i kinda like everything EXCEPT the rapping.

unfortunately it's a rap album.

like the last 30 seconds of that most recent youtube are crazy, but then there's the rest of it

CRUNK AINT DEAD YO

waka's personality totally sells this for me

seriously crunk was the first thing i thought of when i heard Flockaveli, before i even knew dude had any Lil Jon connections

idk he feels like the driving force behind its sound ... the beats work for him

not the other way around

agreed, personality is key

the album as a whole isn't hitting for me but i could listen to "hard in da paint" on loop all day, seriously

kinda get the feeling theres a need to find a 'responsible auteur' behind the scenes pulling the strings instead of just accepting that FLOCKA FLOCKA FLOCKA

Maybe the noisest major label rap record since Fear Of A Black Planet?

― BIG BOOS aka the screamdriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 4:54 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats a dumb thing to say anyway

― thank you based mod (deej), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cool opinion bro, do you have a better answer?

― BIG BOOS aka the halloweendriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well 'noisiest' is super vague but i mean there been gajillions of 'noisy' rap records since?

― thank you based mod (deej), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

name some

― BIG BOOS aka the halloweendriver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, October 7, 2010 7:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you actually gonna respond to this or are you gonna be all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-PyA3reEA

from now on arguments on ILX/ILE should just be waged using low-res southern rap youtube clips

ill have a youtube assault when im no longer posting from work fwiw

dont see how this is any 'noisier' than crunk tho

because i think crunk was a different type of noise—big stabs, big drums, big chants. And this is more of an organized CLUTTER of stuttering beats, countless overdubs and random shouts.

busier production then? idk it seems pretty much like a lot of current southern rap production

with more adlibs

i mean al was just arguing lex luger was GENERIC in a diff thread

with an oppressive, disorienting clatter of adlibs and chatter

and the beats jarringly cut out all the time

eh. i just think it sounds like yr overselling it as some radical break when context suggests while novel the beats are working w/in the current standards if pushing the envelope a slight amount

and the beats jarringly cut out all the time

― roxyBOOzak (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 8, 2010 9:36 AM Bookmark

^^^ love this shit

i definitely think lex luger and waka flocka are pushing the envelope

i dont think lex luger is all that much, although i think hes more of a novel talent than al does. waka, obv, stands out a lot

i mean is lex really 'better' than KE was last year.

wait guys can we decide whether I'm allowed to like this music or not, I'm getting swayed by many different camps and my own opinion is powerless against the almighty canon.

if y'all liket his I still can't fathom why nobody talks about/likes Tech N9ne's K.O.D. from 2009. hate that I keep pumping that one in silence!

ive never really liked tech n9nes rap style. i do find the tech n9ne phenomenon super interesting tho

i think gudda gudda thinks snoop was in NWA

― roxyBOOzak (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 8, 2010 8:20 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

maybe he only ever heard this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vAmKdgrLf8

sometimes i kinda feel like drumma boi is pretty much ~~the talent~~ of this era of atl rap

lex seemed more dedicated to atonality, i guess. a lot of his beats have jarring key changes, which i don't think i've ever heard in a ke beat, and definitely less focused on melodic hooks than kes.

seems

it think trying to single out one guy as ~~the talent~~ in current ayl production is counterproductive when there are a bunch of dudes making good beats

atl

lex seemed more dedicated to atonality, i guess. a lot of his beats have jarring key changes, which i don't think i've ever heard in a ke beat, and definitely less focused on melodic hooks than kes.

― love the way you loi (The Reverend), Friday, October 8, 2010 12:03 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

like i said, i think what lex is doing is novel -- i never said what he was doing 'sounded like' KE or drumma boy. but i dont think what hes doing is any more RADICAL than what they did, really

actually, id say what drumma boi has done shows a lot more breadth & experimental range than Lex so far. i mean, not really fair to compare a half-decade career to less than a year of identical-sounding hits & one well rounded album but seriously. i think drumma boi is totally accomplished enough for the past few years to argue hes basically the biggest/best name from ATL at the moment rev

i gotta side with deej here

comparing lex & drumma is sort of pointless but drumma is a way more innovative & interesting producer & zaytoven was better at creating a 'sound' i think

deej & i were talking about this the other day on AIM re fennessey's VV review. i was bothered that he said that waka had hitched his wagon to lex's star -- this same thinking i think led to zach baron insinuating that "hard in da paint" was a waka facsimile of "b.m.f." when it's probably the other way around if anything. while i disagree with al on whether or not "b.m.f." & "hard in da paint" are classic rap singles, i totally agree w/ him on the subject of whether or not lex is 'generic' and 'repetitive'. it took me months to be able to differentiate b/w the opening notes of the "b.m.f." and "hard in da paint" beats, and sometimes still i like to test myself by humming them in succession to see if i can go back and forth w/o forgetting what one sounds like. but anyway, back to fennessey's point. lex has given TONS of beats that sound exactly like lex beats to different rappers in the south & north once he became the of the moment producer, and none of those rappers (fabolous, jim jones, even gucci) have made songs as good as waka has (rawse excepted). lex has given waka a decent foundation production wise, but in reality it's about the same foundation that tons of rappers have gotten from him, and waka's music is better and is waka's music because of his vision & his talent. all the freneticism, the energy, the disorientation that we're digging in this album is all waka. listen to fabolous rapping over his lex track (a beat that could fit on this album) & all of a sudden the beat will sound flat & boring & generic etc. lex is a good producer and they work well together, but waka brings his tracks up several notches.

yeah i think theres something abt the weird unexpectedness rev was talking about in the lex beats that complements waka's style really well, perpetual unexpected sledgehammer-ness

also lol @ sf implying diddy rmx was responsible for 'o lets do it' becoming a hit. lol @ nyc

the best non-lex Waka songs are better than pretty much all the lex produced ones except for "Paint"

lex pretend luger

haha

waka discovered lex luger