Techno/House Bobbins 2010

That's on the James Murphy/Pat Mahoney Fabric

that lenny williams song is most certainly a jam. the editing on that edit seems poor to me though. which is my problem with a bunch of disco edits i have heard. taking great source material and making something less than great with that material. which was probably my problem with electroclash too. or mashups. i certainly understand the appeal of the money shot groove or riff or break or whatever. to put it mildly. (i had a stack of 45s out today and i put on the winstons and played the amen break 20 times in a row and STARED at the drum break that you can actually SEE on the 45 and it hypnotized me and it was majik. so, um, its not the repetition of past greatness that i have a problem with. probably just a problem with bad editing skillz.)

micarl, I'm pretty sure they actually use this (imo superior) version done by one of the true masters, Danny Krivit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GDQNVYOXrM&feature=related

Does the editing on this one treat you better scott?

oh hell yes. but danny is godlike and there are few better.

Word to the wise, the Brennan Green remix of Bubble Club's Lonely Acid is really good.

agreed! though i dig pretty much everything on the 3 releases bubble club put out so far. the dr dunks remix of violet morning moon is one of my favorites of the year for sure, and my copy of the 'morning star' 12" has been on the turntable quite a bit lately as well

OH, and his recent beats in space is an amazing weirdo-80's/balearic mix with stuff like malcolm mclaren opera-funk, thomas dolby b-sides, it's immaterial, junior byron- pretty much exactly up my alley and not necessarily what i expected based on his production work (maybe i should take it to the balearic thread tho, sorry guys)

this is totally the kind of thing that old fogeys like me like, but i can't help it, it makes me so happy. and its one of the reasons why mashups and modern beardo edits and the like don't do much for me. but anyway i would LOVE to see jamz murphy do something with "can you move" by modern romance (cuz i love it and them so much and i think he could twist and turn them in good ways and david morales did a remix of it years ago but he's no hero of mine and its okay but not great) and danny includes it here in his circus remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF0q27RYlc&feature=related

shit but sorry and respect due to morales cuz anyone who had anything to do with do it properly deserves to have their face tattooed on my back. god i really am old. sorry. i'm out. been drinking.

I only first heard the Lenny Williams jam in the mentioned muphy/mahoney mix, hence I knew of it for a week before I bought that 12", not even knowing an edit of it was on it. I'll listen to the krivit edit, though.

Well I know this ain't the thread for it but listen to the original too, cause it's great in itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPncIfzig90

And while you're at it check out Choosing You too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sOKm28qkXM&NR=1

Heh, I just assumed the version in the murphy/mahoney mix was the original (thanks to thoroughly negligible tracklisting work on the part of fabric). I was wondering how something from the early 80's sounded so housey.

harmonious thelonious?

i'm curious what dancey people think of this group. brought them up on the salem thread cuz they are on the same label. guessing they may be too goth/corny/industrial or whatever for bobbins folks. but what do i know? (i like stuff that is goth, corny, and industrial. and i like these videos too.) (was also stoned when i first watched these videos so that might explain their appeal at the time.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrnTY9_KMQg&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLFzqlz4hsM&feature=player_embedded

hey do you guys like this album glass eights by john roberts

apparently this is the album art

http://static.boomkat.com/images/367934/333.jpg

I'm calling rip off of this, coverwise:
http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/reviews/2009/fright001.jpg
Haven't heard the album, though.

Its simply an example of a revival in deliberately primitive collage thats been going on the last couple of years

loving farben "a spiral worldorder"

really enjoyed the john roberts album on first listen, beautiful stuff

it is!

This is really good:

http://www.bleep43.com/podcast/2010/11/17/podcast-187-shake.html

This is really good too, but not bobbins 2010:

http://www.jeffersonave.com/derrick-may-mayday-mix

lee foss's u got me ep is definitely pushing my buttons right now

yes! love techno with disembodied r&b samples

also!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvVbg2LnJvg&feature=player_embedded

(full 7-min version obv much better but this is what's on youtube)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Jz7-4OSIo

seriously though, in 2010, fuck a disembodied r&b sample

anyway they did disembodied r&b samples way better in the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PtKkbnzg8

seriously though, in 2010, fuck a moonship journey to baja

4 real, cunt off you boring, unpleasant man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8A4CoKiAsc

whatevs, clown

Can someone translate "cunt off" from britishes for me?

I'm guilty of loving the occasional bodiless r&b sample, only not really feeling any guilt. I get the standpoint from which they're viewed negatively, though.

someone played that house of jazz record out recently can't remember who tho (boo williams maybe?) - its good!

mh - its probably not really in need of any translation!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfnhPQfDxS4

This Djebali tune is terrific.

new robag mix cd on kompakt - but it doesn't have THAT track that he spent the last 18 months hauling round and still remains un-ID-ed

Anyone have any idea about a house track with wailing diva vocals going "I need you, I neeeed you" etc. (I think the vocals may be lifted from somewhere else) with pads or something of the sort running underneath, and then some 303 comes in. I feel like I've heard this before several times, and this might be obvious, but I certainly can't figure it out and would like to.

"4 real, cunt off you boring, unpleasant man

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, November 19, 2010 4:12 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark"

Kinda feel like there could be a separate Techno Bobbins thread now -- there's just so much great stuff coming out week upon week upon week that greatly overshadows the dregs of mindless overproduced Ableton house that great critical minds such as the Lex champion. If anything, just to avoid negativity like in the above quote. I mean, it's little wonder this thread generates about 5 posts per month when that's what people are greeted with. Anyway.

The new release on Slow To Speak (a label that is so much better when it puts out original stuff rather than overpriced one sided vinyl reissues) is immense. Further fueling the inevitable utopian techno takeover, Ex Nihilo Nihil Fit by Chasing Voices is all grainy digital synth choirs, hyper syncopated restless drum patterns, and endlessly modulated filter noises. The synths are so beautifully woozy, they wow and flutter like old VHS machines. You can almost visualize the reverb as if watching the trails from street lamps when driving through a rainy city at night. It's an update on that classic ART/Ifach/B12 sound but seems to be going in a new direction somehow. And crucially contains plenty of dance floor pressure. Extremely sick. Not sure who Chasing Voices are, their previous release was an analog half-stepper that skirted the similar realms that artists such as Raime and Demdike Stare have been exploring, interpreting contemporary dance music trends through the cracked lenses of industrial and dark wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfuWP4qwg7g

Actually both releases are on Preserved Instincts which I guess is a Slow To Speak sub label.

2010 is proving a wonderful year for music (though I wouldn't want the bobbins thread to be split - for me i like to have it all in one thread, things i like, things i don't like and things i might like - the boundaries between the 3 aren't always that clear for me and its a good way for me to hear some things i might not otherwise)

anyone heard the new melchior? people seem a bit down on it, i'm not keen on the spanish vocal side but i like the little i've heard of the other side, cinza de fenix

also, been feeling Royal Oak records this year (the Gerd releases anyway!)

Chymera - Ghosts EP, esp These Jagged Shards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbs2H1saVh0&feature=related

Please no one use the word "overproduced" in relation to dance music ever again, okthxbye.

The short track the Lex posted (just using this as an example, not an ad hom) sounds overproduced to me; tons of attention paid to minute EQ and compression details in place of an actually engaging composition, or interesting ideas. Ditto the Djebali tune you posted, it sounds nice but does literally nothing but that for 9 minutes (again not meant as a personal attack). Same with Lee Foss - U Got Me. Same with the overhyped snooze fest that is the John Roberts album. There's a transparency, or sterility to those kind of productions that strikes me as too complacent, too orthodox, and devoid of emotion. Just too clean and polite. I feel like there is a lot of stuff that's been coming out that places itself into opposition against those kind of productions. Take Mike Dehnhart's recent record on Echochord, the mix and sound design is top notch, yet the hi-hats crunch and the synths sound like they're coated in motor oil. Or D'Marc Cantu's Black Tears on Creme Jak, the loops sound mismatched and rub against each other in unpredictable directions. Both club worthy tunes that sound amazing on a big system but full of imperfections and blemishes. I know this isn't anything new, listen to most productions pre-the DAW revolution and you'll hear the same thing. I've got nothing against computer music however and wish to retract my stupid Ableton diss.

Apologies if you were just going for the quick put down though and don't want to engage in discussion.

It's a fair complaint but I don't really agree with it (disclaimer, not heard any of the records you're citing as alternatives, willing to believe they're excellent). I don't think there's anything wrong with just wanting to bathe in tune for a few minutes so I'm being a bit hippy and not viewing it as an either/or thing.

Also these threads have a history of people turning personal opinions about production techniques into tedious rigid ideological crusdades. The phrase "mindless overproduced Ableton house" was kind of Pipecocky and made my knee jerk snarkily.

also as much as lex's reaction was ott, it wasn't the beginning of the "negativity" you complain about...

If Vahid is actually offended or bothered by any poster going "cunt off you boring unpleasant man" then everything I believed about this world was wrong.

the negativity of this thread is v offputting, esp from idiots who like terrible music i hate.

poster 1: this music sucks
poster 2: you suck

or, put another way

poster 1: fuck this lame track
poster 2: no, fuck you

it doesn't bother me so much as it

1) makes me laugh, imagining the lex getting all huffy and pissed because i pooped on his track of the week, then blasting his favorite taylor swift diss song and ripping up his pillows in his bedroom while he crafts his retort
2) reminds me how lame and childish the uk poptimist crew can get when you really push them on something

i don't know, i just fell into the same trap: letting your disagreement over some music turn into ad hominem attacks

and i think it's fine to insult music, it's not like sounds have feelings, i don't know why or how the lex takes it so personally when i say fuck r&b samples, fuck sample-based house in general right now

"the negativity of this thread is v offputting, esp from idiots who like terrible music i hate."

come on that HAS to be the new board description!

Agreed.

Also, from my standpoint, so much of the much 'proper' (may the gods strike down anyone who takes it upon him/herself to say what is and isn't proper techno) or "utopian" that has been so beloved, a la sandwell district et al, is precisely what I find to be too complacent, too orthodox, and devoid of emotion (And believe you me, my ire has been well rankled by DJ's playing sets full of glossy, boring "abelton techno." But I'm just as annoyed by reactionism that privileges underproduced techno that often ends up sounding, well, underproduced).

Also. Anyone else enjoying the work of Lone? Having been pointed to him by that recent RA feature by M Matos and by the favourable reviews of Once in A While, I now feel rather taken with his productions. I guess there's not an immense lot behind them, but very pleasing nonetheless.