actually, no. (i should note that some of them are all-time for me, and some haven't been played since this thread was started, probably. but i know they're there, lurking, somewhere, in the house.)
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Monday, 4 October 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i still love tom's list. i'd love to hear him take on some of these albums again with ten years hindsight. (and ten years of "popular" et al behind him.)
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Monday, 4 October 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
totally didn't predict the mercury rev worship
― da croupier, Monday, 4 October 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
There are bands I regret never seeing who I would have had no practical chance to ever see, and the David Baker-era Rev is one of them. I don't think the band ever even played California until 1998.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 October 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
huh, I figured there'd be a larger overlap than 31 albums (and that's actually counting a couple I used to own but were stolen that I haven't replaced yet)
― THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Monday, 4 October 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I suspect we bleed over more when it comes to eighties albums. (And the past decade, probably!)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 October 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
haha true
― THE CHOMPING DUCK GETS HIS FATTY OUT FOR VADAR (HI DERE), Monday, 4 October 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I dare not count the albums I own from this list... I'm guessing somewhere in the 60-80 range but I may be underestimating a bit.
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
OWN: 60%, or 81 out of 136 -- and that's including 25 of the top 26, ffs.
USED TO OWN: 8%, or 11 out of 136 -- mostly a lot of Britpop-related (Suede, Oasis, Placebo, Super Furries) and industrial (Manson, Ministry) albums, plus a few others that never clicked (Sundays, Prodigy, Goo Goo Dolls, Veldt).
DO NOT OWN: 32%, or 44 out of 136 -- admittedly there's a few albums in this list that I've meant to buy but haven't gotten around to yet, mostly by artists I already like (Ween, Disco Inferno, His Name Is Alive, Pale Saints, Pelt), plus about 38-39 albums I just haven't gotten around to yet.
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
(I can't believe I just spent ~15 min. figuring that out.)
Can anyone beat 81/136, besides Ned of course?
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Does Ned even own 81 of these anymore?
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Not sure, really.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 October 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
So upon deeper inspection, Tom's list is really great also (even though I understand he's disowned it) and has served as a reminder to pick up several albums I've not gotten around to yet -- Ghost's debut, Beta Band's debut, +/-, Chill Out, Ende Neu, Rock 'n' Roll Station. A look at my stats:
OWN: 41 -- lots of great stuff here. I'm particularly surprised that Tom's included Fushitsusha/Keiji Haino, Dead C, Faust, etc. but maybe I've put his tastes into a box a bit much... a welcome surprise, in any case.
USED TO OWN: 7 -- Mag Fields, Palace, Sundays, Frank Black solo.
DO NOT OWN: 52 -- including those above that I've meant to check out. Admittedly there's a lot more on Tom's list than Ned's that I haven't familiarized myself with... something to change piece-by-piece in the coming years.
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
re: Mercury Rev -- their 90s output is pretty astonishing. the 00s have dulled that feeling quite a bit, but if, say, deserters songs was their last album, it'd be an unimpeachable run of classic reocrds imo.
― tylerw, Monday, 4 October 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Agreed.
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
(i even like quite a bit of all is dream, so it's really just the last two that have been bummers)
― tylerw, Monday, 4 October 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
There is some funny stuff upthread: Ned Raggett vs. deej FITE, cee-oh-tee-tee vs. strongo hulkington FITE, etc.
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
ott, i was thinking this the other day: do you own any music made by black people?― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:05 PM (6 years ago)What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:07 PM (6 years ago)one of your former pitchfork staffers linked me to a website where you detailed your record collection. quite detailed. and i just didn't remember seeing any. odd, is all.― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:10 PM (6 years ago)Well that would be my bitter, paranoiac underling Brent DiCresenczo, or however you spell his last name. He spends an inordinate amount of time worrying that I'm smarter than him.What you saw was a catalog of the CDs I bought in (and brought to) college, which I had in an Excel spreadsheet; my roommate from last year converted it to a graphical web DB testing out his MySQL and PHP skills. So yeah, it was mostly white indie and electronic bands from the laet-80s/90s. Off the top of my head though...Tricky, Jeru, Busta, N.W.A., Public Enemy, and Eddie Floyd were in there. James Brown and Bob Marley I had on tapes, for my walkman-- I used to bring it to the studio to drum along to. Feel better now?― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:20 PM (6 years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:05 PM (6 years ago)
What caused you to think that, Jess? And do you think there's an inherent value to a particular music simply because it was made by black people?
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:07 PM (6 years ago)
one of your former pitchfork staffers linked me to a website where you detailed your record collection. quite detailed. and i just didn't remember seeing any. odd, is all.
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:10 PM (6 years ago)
Well that would be my bitter, paranoiac underling Brent DiCresenczo, or however you spell his last name. He spends an inordinate amount of time worrying that I'm smarter than him.
What you saw was a catalog of the CDs I bought in (and brought to) college, which I had in an Excel spreadsheet; my roommate from last year converted it to a graphical web DB testing out his MySQL and PHP skills. So yeah, it was mostly white indie and electronic bands from the laet-80s/90s. Off the top of my head though...Tricky, Jeru, Busta, N.W.A., Public Enemy, and Eddie Floyd were in there. James Brown and Bob Marley I had on tapes, for my walkman-- I used to bring it to the studio to drum along to. Feel better now?
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:20 PM (6 years ago)
markers if you can dig this one up on Web Archive or anything, I will be amazed. Challenge is ON.
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It seems that the Pumpkins love is the thing for which Ned gets the most general ire. This makes me sad.― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:38 PM (6 years ago)Funny, cause I even like the Pumpkins.― ddrake, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:39 PM (6 years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:38 PM (6 years ago)
Funny, cause I even like the Pumpkins.
― ddrake, Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:39 PM (6 years ago)
Wonder if deej would still rep for the Pumpkins seven years later??
― ilxor repping so hard for this = death knell (ilxor), Monday, 4 October 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow I was a real dick in this thread. I mean, even more than usual.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I found this along with the original Pitchfork 90s list a long time ago. From the individual top 90s lists of Pitchfork staff.
CHRIS OTT1. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless2. Jesus Lizard - Goat3. Radiohead - OK Computer4. Portishead - Dummy5. Slint - Spiderland6. Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin7. Bjork - Post8. DJ Shadow - Entroducing...9. Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted10. Breeders - Pod11. Yo La Tengo - Painful12. Lemonheads - It's a Shame About Ray13. Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville14. Warlock Pinchers - Circusized Peanuts15. Ride - Nowhere16. Built to Spill - Perfect From Now On17. Aphex Twin - I Care Because You Do18. Primal Scream - Screamedelica19. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas20. Bjork - Homogenic21. Dinosaur Jr. - Green Mind22. Nirvana - Nevermind23. Mercury Rev - Yerself is Steam24. Happy Mondays - Pills 'N' Thrills and Bellyaches25. Sonic Youth - Goo26. Tricky - Maxinquaye27. Spiritualized - Pure Phase28. Morrissey - Vauxhall and I29. Jesus Lizard - Liar30. Luna - Bewitched31. Swell - 4132. Stereolab - Mars Audiac Quintet33. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II34. Screeching Weasel - My Brain Hurts35. His Name is Alive - Stars on E.S.P.36. Oval - 94diskont37. Bedhead - Whatfunlifewas38. Busta Rhymes - When Disaster Strikes39. Built to Spill - There's Nothing Wrong With Love40. Depeche Mode - Violator41. Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Havent Got42. Burger/Ink - Las Vegas43. Sunny Day Real Estate - LP244. Ride - Going Blank Again45. Seam - The Problem With Me46. Sonora Pine - II47. PJ Harvey - Rid of Me48. Codeine - Frigid Stars49. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream50. Swirlies - They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days...51. Replacements - All Shook Down52. Weezer - Blue53. Karate - Karate54. Pixies - Bossanova55. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain57. Magnetic Fields - Holiday58. Seefeel - Quique59. Orbital - Orbital 260. Luna - Penthouse61. Archers of Loaf - Vee Vee62. Radiohead - The Bends63. Helmet - Meantime64. Rage Against the Machine - The Battle of Los Angeles65. Yo La Tengo - Electr-o-pura66. Massive Attack - Mezzanine67. Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I68. Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory?69. Superchunk - On the Mouth70. Strung Out - Suburban Teenage Wasteland Blues71. Swirlies - Blondertongueaudiobaton72. Low - The Curtain Hits the Cast73. Throwing Muses - The Real Ramona74. Chapterhouse - Whirlpool75. Melvins - Houdini76. Sebadoh - III77. Curve - Doppelganger78. Peter Gabriel - Us79. U2 - Achtung Baby80. Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime81. Dinosaur Jr. - Where You Been?82. Milf - Ha Ha Bus!83. F.Y.P. - Finish Your Popcorn84. Belle and Sebastian - Tigermilk85. Quicksand - Slip86. Mogwai - Come on Die Young87. Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming89. Faint - Blank Wave Arcade90. Suzanne Vega - 99.9F91. Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy92. Liz Phair - Whip Smart93. The The - Dusk94. Bettie Seveert - Palomine95. 18th Dye - Tribute to a Bus96. Unrest - Imperial F.F.R.R.97. Galaxie 500 - This is Our Music98. Moby - Ambient99. Prince - (Love Symbol Album)100.Beat Happening - You Turn Me On
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of my favorites on there.
Like Milf, The Swirlies, Bedhead, Swell, GBV, 18th Dye...
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link
98. Moby - Ambient
!!!
― oh, winklevoss (crüt), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Ambient is a really weird album. very dark and muted and not very ambient at all.
the first track uses the same strings he later used in "Move"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S43AEG4DyvY
― oh, winklevoss (crüt), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:04 (thirteen years ago) link
56. Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
HEEEEEYYYYY WAIT A SECOND...
I can't get past "to those gold sounds" because I always pressed >> after that.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Friday, September 10, 2010 6:03 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark
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As far as I'm concerned this band ends at "Stop Breathing".
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― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
should we assume there are only 55 albums or less that Ott actually likes?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, that would explain 78. Peter Gabriel - Us
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming
I predict this'll make you double take.
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
man dude hated pitchfork even then
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link
putting indie chestnuts he actually hated alongside obvious yuppie horseshit, that's some scathing satire
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
re you giving YOURSELF a fair chance to listen to hip hop?
― buzza, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
90s lists made in actual proximity to the 90s are always so much more interesting than lists people make today.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, Ned - God Machine! Haven't heard them in years years years.
I've got other writers lists from the same source, if anyone is interested.
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Where can you find the individual writers' lists from the pitchfork 90s thing? And are there individual lists for PFM's singles countdown?
― Cunga, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
They'll be coming up in a Not Just the Ticket entry soonish...
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Looking forward to it.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 06:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes please. Not so much out of morbid curiosity, but because I'd like to see what Mark R. and others were spinning at the time.
Link?
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link
88. Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and DreamingI predict this'll make you double take.― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan)
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan)
It's even higher in the original list that 0tt posted upthread -- #70!!
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Going thru cee-oh-tee-tee's list a few posts up:
OWN: 56 / 100
USED TO OWN, SOLD: 15 / 100 (Liz Phair, Built to Spill, Tricky [agree w/ Ned, Maxinquaye is really overrated], SDRE, Weezer [lol 8th grade], RATM [lol 9th grade], D-Plan, Oasis, Swirlies [zzzzz], Sebadoh, B&S [lol indie], Quicksand, Dave Matthews [lol 7th grade]).
DON'T OWN: 29 / 100 - mostly snoozy indie rock I guess??
NEED TO PICK UP: Oval - 94diskont, Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want..., Burger/Ink - Vegas. I haven't yet stumbled across Oval or Burger/Ink used but I've really got no excuse for not having heard that Sinead O'Connor by now.
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Would be v. curious to know how many of his top 100 Chr1s 0tt still owns in 2010...
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
What a thread. Weird there are differences, I must have like spot-edited the one I submitted? Bizarre. The one I pasted must be the one I had on my computer - the one you found is what counted. I still own all of these insofar as they're on my hard drive(s), but of course feel some of the choices are absurd, dishonest, or different today. Perfect example is The Flaming Lips in the Top 10. I hate the Flaming Lips to death and always have but there was such inordinate praise for the band at the time that I felt pressure as a supposed "critic" to conform to that consensus. That is a glaringly ugly thing for me. The other changes would be ones of over-estimation or weighting to push the record higher in aggregate (Spiderland, ugh, Pod is too high). Green Mind is too low, Entroducing at 4 or 8 is ridiculous in either case, Warlock Pinchers was complete challops but you can all have Die Antwoord instead, you deserve them.
Glad I repped for All Shook Down and Karate, a few others I still think are excellent "full lengths" often ignored. The pop-punk smattering was semi-challops because it was so unfashionable at the time and everyone was ignoring there were some good, fun bands in that mix. Happy to have My Brain Hurts in the Top 40, probably still would today. Achtung Baby is insanely too-low (one worse than Us! Hahaha) and there are plenty of other dumb decisions to laugh at. All I can say is I was creditably honest in most of these choices, less concerned about whether or not they made me look "cool" or were being clocked by others. If you pit that list against others from the same time I think that's a net positive. In the same way other staff members stumped for the Wrens or Walt Mink; I just had better taste.
Dearth of hip-hop is like saying "WHERE ARE THE COUNTRY ALBUMS". I mean that's such a hack complaint. DAS RACIST U DIDN'T CHART the biggest white-affirmed genre of the decade...let's let that drift.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Props on All Shook Down and Achtung Baby, those are both great. Have you heard anything in the '04-'10 timespan that you'd add to yr list in retrospect? (Glaringly obvious oversights -- off the top of your head, of course.)
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think these lists of opinion by lots of people are extraordinarily useful in todays music world -- i can only admire Ned's useful hyper-qualified effort here -- i wish that more of people's big lists were so good at qualification, on rationale.
Seconding this from way upthread, by the way. Can anyone else recommend any other great *personal* lists with running commentary and interesting tastes ('60s to '00s) that are done in a similar fashion to Ned's 136 albums and Tom's top 100 singles?
― I'm gonna mention ilxor in everyone of my posts until I get dn'd (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the biggest blind-spot, despite the hip-hop contentiousness at the time, is actually Britpop. You can see I was a diehard shoegaze/baggy stoner stranded by the shift toward UK-centric attitudes and preen/suss - because I couldn't appreciate the under/overtones, because it seemed like stale retro arena rock...the implications of that stuff only ripened for me later, as I was older/wiser/did better drugs. When I made that list it was still early days looking back through that period, still interpreting it as a mostly singles-driven moment with few epic Albums. You know, like the Archers of Loaf's Vee Vee. *facepalm*
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link
All I can say is I was creditably honest in most of these choices, less concerned about whether or not they made me look "cool" or were being clocked by others.
So do your recent claims that you've never cared for CR past "Stop Breathin" mean your more concerned about looking "cool" now?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
or is it like the soft bulletin, where you were concerned about looking "cool"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
That's not what I claimed. It's what I feel now. Read it again.
The retroactive statement I made was in re: turning that album off when "Gold Soundz" came on, which I did almost without fail. It's a boring song that mostly reminded me the album was about to shit the bed and I should pick out something else.
― cee-oh-tee-tee, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link