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"Awfully big of you."
are you patronising me or something?

"I defy you to name a post-punk band who were heavier than Killing Joke"
i woun't argue with you on who's heavier, but just trieng to slagg of someone with a different opinion then you is revoulting.

webb, Friday, 14 March 2003 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

and yeah, i think Birthday Party Are heavier, so what?

webb, Friday, 14 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoa there! Somebody needs to switch to the decaf PCP!

Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 14 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

"but just trieng to slagg of someone with a different opinion then you is revoulting" i ment "becouse of a different opinion".

hahaha yeah, sorry for getting carried away there.

webb, Friday, 14 March 2003 21:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Keep your pants on, man. I'm just so used to people needlessly spouting misinformed crap about Killing Joke that I tend to take a rather feral stance on the matter. Apologies if I came across as (more of) a bastard (than intended).

And I'd still disagree with you about the Birthday Party being "heavier" (which is in absolutely no way to disparage the Birthday Party). I'm merely speaking of these two bands' respective sounds. The Birthday Party's rather brooding demeanor may rival Killing Joke's, but their literal sonic output doesn't match the sheer weight and brute force of the Joke's.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 March 2003 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Phwoar! 200 posts!

http://www.an-irrational-domain.net/images/geordie/geordie16.JPG

Geordie K. Walker (vassifer), Friday, 14 March 2003 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

They're still rubbish.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

And you're still wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi again alex, i'v found it strange too but i read here that he did say he likes JD but doesn't like NO.

webb, Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe he resents the rather less weighty lyrical direction they took off in following Ian's demise?

In any event, here's a shot of Jaz with the Foo Fighters onstage recently in Auckland. HE LIVES!

http://www.foofighters.com/blackbox/pictures/2003_01_16_auckland/images/FF_2003_AUCKLAND_GALATOS0066.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Grohl is purportedly playing on the forthcoming Killing Joke album.

Ah, yes, Dave "Put Me In Your Band Please!!!" Grohl. What the hell? Does he go thru cash MC Hammer-style or something?

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 15 March 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Cool link, Webb, thanks for that. I can understand where Jaz might not think New Order were that great....especially considering their origins as Joy Division. Bernard Sumner's lyrics aren't exactly as thought-provoking as Curtis', nor does New Order's music exude the atmosphere of distinctive otherness that Joy Division's did.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, thats "Requiem" they're doing. i can see him not liking the lightness of NO but the origins of the pop/rock guitar sound with the disco beats that appears on songs like "Night Time","Love Like Blood" are largly New Orders rather then Joy Divisions. but KJ tracks are heavier. thats why i mentioned it.

webb, Sunday, 16 March 2003 10:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm with Jaz (Julian, hah!) on the Joy Division/New Order thing.

What is there to like about New Order? Apart from their name, obviously.

mei (mei), Sunday, 16 March 2003 11:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Jaz is actually Jeremy, not Julian.

Personally, I fuckin' love New Order, but y'know....whatever.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Even "World In Motion"???

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Even "World In Motion"???

The wife's favorite song of theirs, actually.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, that can't possibly be true. That's dedication.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The later Killing Joke stuff was great.

'My Love of this Land' was a great single.

russ t, Monday, 17 March 2003 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Killing joke had great fans I always liked their audience. Anyone remember when they called some of these bands Positive Punks? Wasn't the Southern death cult Positive punk?
Nevermind I'm getting off topic...

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 17 March 2003 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
THEY......LIVE!

http://www.killingjoke.com/

http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

According to Amazon they're releasing The Unperverted Pantomime officially on CD in a couple of weeks time.

So that'll be my special limited edition original 1980 cassette version devalued by about 99% then!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes indeedy....complete with a 16 page insert booklet designed by Mike Coles (original KJ album designer: http://studio-c.co.uk/ )

ME BIG HAPPY!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

THEY......LIVE!
http://www.killingjoke.com/
http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk/
-- Alex in NYC (xxxxx.net), April 3rd, 2003.

Forgot to say thanks for this. I've now read I think every article they've got on both of those.
It's certainly put a new spin on the music for me.

Great to see how their behaviour in interviews has evolved over the years and how they, Jaz in particular, have changed.

Looks like there'll be a new album sort of soon too, which I'm equally aprehensive and excited about.

mei (mei), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

As it stands, there'll be an official release of The Unperverted Pantomime (age-old "bootleg") on April 15 or 16th, put out by the same krazy kats who put out 2001's No Way Out But Forward Go (itself also making the rounds as a bootleg prior to release). The latter was also re-released last year by a record company called Brilliant (no relation to the Youth-led band of the same name) with new cover art and a new title, Love Like Blood. If you're a sad completist like m'self, you can track it down via Amazon Uk (or you could rightly get on with your life and forget about it).

Regarding the new album, The Death & Resurrection Show, word `round the campfire is that Dave Grohl has completed recording the drums tracks for the new album, and they're currently being mixed by a gent named Clive Goddard.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Article regarding Dave Grohl working with the Joke is this week's Kerrang. Turns out the title of the new record may no longer be The Death & Resurrection Show. Read on....

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to admit that Alex's passion over these years on ILX has meant I'm more interested in the new album than I would have been.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just hope it measures up.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:03 (twenty-three years ago)

We're going to hunt you down if it doesn't, you know.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 10 April 2003 02:13 (twenty-three years ago)

God I love this thread.

adam (adam), Thursday, 10 April 2003 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Fantastic, now I don't have to go to smiths to read Kerrang.

Alex, it says that Fugazi have covered KJ, do you know what/when/where?

mei (mei), Thursday, 10 April 2003 06:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I feel like I've been looking through a casual acquaintance's photo albums while they get fresh ice for my lemonade.

But this thread made me greatly miss my Killing Joke T-shirt, which I wore until there was nothing left of it to wear. That was like the best damn T-shirt I ever had, the Daisy Buchanan of my T-shirts.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 10 April 2003 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm pretty sure I've never actually heard Killing Joke. I think this thread wouldn't be as funny to me if I had.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 10 April 2003 08:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm torn between wanting to dig out my cassettes and forcing myself to forget what I remember -- which doesn't at all live up to this thread -- and let them remain this vague, mythical Schroedinger's band.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 10 April 2003 08:06 (twenty-three years ago)

it says that Fugazi have covered KJ

Yeah, I saw that too. I think it's a mistake. The bands I'm aware of who have attempted to cover the Joke (usually with shite results) are: Metallica ("The Wait"), Foo Fighters ("Requiem"), Icehouse ("Love Like Blood"), Helmet ("Complications"), Godflesh ("Requiem"), Amen ("Europe"), the Mad Capsule Markets ("Wardance"), Love like Blood (lamentable Goth band take who not only butchered the song, but sullied its good name by adopting it as their moniker). I've heard rumours that Sarah McLachlan covered "Love Like Blood" live, but I've never heard it.

On a different point, I wonder what ol' Courtney Love has to say now that Grohl has gone public about working with the Joke.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard the Metallica cover, which got me into KJ initially.

I've got a cover of 'Primitive' done by Helmet, but not 'Complications'.

I know Grohl doesn't like Love or maybe vice-versa.

Personally I think KJ should cover Heart Shaped Box, which is supposedly about Courtney, but change the lyrics and claim it's their own.
Then send her a Christmas card telling her they've never heard of her.

mei (mei), Thursday, 10 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got a cover of 'Primitive' done by Helmet, but not 'Complications'.

Ack! You're right, it is "Primitive." Sorry about that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Rolling Stone weighing in:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17876

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

...and on the Foo Fighters' site:

http://www.foofighters.com/press/press_entry.php?id=207

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 April 2003 02:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Helmet do 'Primitive' on their Born Annoying album which seems to be a sort of off-cuts compilation, but it's not credited on my CD to KJ. I wonder does Jaz know about that? Do he and KJ get their royalties?


Also, it's been said in the above, but anyway, from www.blabbermouth.net:

FOO FIGHTERS frontman/ex-NIRVANA drummer Dave Grohl has laid
down the drum tracks for the new KILLING JOKE album, tentatively titled "Axis of Evil", according to Billboard. The project, which will be out in June on Sony worldwide, was produced by GANG OF FOUR's Andy Gill and is the veteran U.K. rock act's first since 1996's "Democracy".

Grohl, who is said to be a huge KILLING JOKE fan, met the group's leader, Jaz Coleman, in New Zealand recently and agreed to play on the album. They recorded the drum tracks the last week of March in Los Angeles. Grohl has no plans to tour with the band, like he did with QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE last year in support of their Interscope album "Songs For The Deaf" after contributing drum tracks to that release.

The reunited KILLING JOKE, who were last believed to be working with a lineup featuring Coleman, guitarist Geordie, bassist Paul Raven (ex-
PRONG), and drummer Ted Parsons (ex-GODFLESH/PRONG), were
previously reported to have completed work on a new studio album at the end of last year. The CD, then tentatively titled "The Death & Resurrection Show", was said to have been tracked in London and Los Angeles and was set to feature guest appearances from members of TOOL and SYSTEM OF A DOWN. It is not presently clear if any of those initial recordings will surface as part of the new collection

mei (mei), Friday, 11 April 2003 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.fusion3.com/static/mediabank/jpg/170x170/nmcpilot158.jpg

Out today!!!! Not the new album, but the official release of age-old bootleg.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

...tomorrow, it'd have to be, nein?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, according to Amazon.co.uk. it's today....which means it won't show up on these shores for a little while, but in theory....it's available today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Ohhh...I thought it was a U.S. release cos I never click on the links to news articles anywhere within ILX. So that makes sense then.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

"The bands I'm aware of who have attempted to cover the Joke (usually with shite results) are: Metallica ("The Wait"), Foo Fighters ("Requiem"), Icehouse ("Love Like Blood"), Helmet ("Complications"), Godflesh ("Requiem"), Amen ("Europe"), the Mad Capsule Markets ("Wardance"), Love like Blood (lamentable Goth band take who not only butchered the song, but sullied its good name by adopting it as their moniker)."

Teeheehee. I was briefly in a band called Requiem once and we were every bit as awful as you'd imagine a band with a name like "Requiem" would be. I bet you can't guess what KJ song we used to cover....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

The one time I saw KJ, was at the Student Union at Edinburgh University (aka the Health Centre). Apparently they band performed some sort of body fluid ceremony before going on stage and the police were called as they covered themselves and the dressing room in smeared human excrement.

Anyway, this would be, uh, first album ish - maybe late 1980 / early 81 and I thought they sounded like the early Banshees with a mad bloke singing. Thats not a bad thing, in fact they were quite good but a bit limited and one dimensional.

The support band were called Boots for Dancing and I liked them loads.

Oh and KJ were great doing The Empire Song on TOTP the week of the Falklands.

Alexander Blair, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

So much talk about KJ that you made me get my "Laugh? I Nearly Bought One" copy... THE SKY IS TURNING RED. BODIES!!!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

See? It's not just me!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh my god, you're creating an army of Killing Joke goths. I feel so dirty for listening to them now.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

eee-EIGH-TIES!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)


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