TOOL - C/D!?

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new album kinda roolz!

city of gyros (chaki), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, let me amend that. the other dude was ALREADY a tool fan and the uber-tool fan was still trying to convert him. that's what bugged me. dude was cornered. "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THEM LIVE?" "nnnn...no" "IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE THEM LIVE OH MY GOD GO!!" it went on like that for quite a while. dude should have said yes.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Lord.

My friend Tom out here says that when he went to get the album on the day of release, they had already sold out at the Best Buy he was at, and the various fans there forlornly looking for a record and commiserating with him on the state of affairs included a Mexican-American woman in her late forties and a biker dude in his late twenties or so. Tool, the band that brings everyone together (when the uberfans don't get in the way).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Stop Removing or Altering The Tool References From The Article

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I like this kid's crazy list of what constitutes a metal band.

"Its sound can change because of technology, but most of the time you can´t guess the release year of a song you don´t know. It doesn´t follow trends."

"Its music does not have lyrics with common topics you can found in radio"

Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

btw sry if i suck at this..im new at Wikipedia

A Perfect Tool among many!

George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 15 May 2006 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

with each album the tool fanbase seems to be getting dumber, louder, zealous, thin-skinned and defensive. why?

maybe it's the political climate, or perhaps it's the effect of the internet becoming more pervasive and ubiquitous than ever. perhaps it is the entering of saturn into uranus, activating thelemic archetypes on the third level of the etheric plane. perhaps i am tired and trying too hard.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:04 (eighteen years ago) link

in summation: "DUDE I TOTALLY DRANK MAYNARD'S SWEAT!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Stoner.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:05 (eighteen years ago) link

though i must say: upon only two listens to "10,000 days" i can't say that i'm all that impressed. i heard the first single a month ago and could predict every chord change. but it must grow on me, i suppose.

so: did it grow? because after one listen i'm not sure when i'll go back. surprisingly dull. but i have this sneaking suspicion i need to put more time in with it; that i missed something.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

You did. (I am biased.) It took three listens for me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i shall return to it, and try harder.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

YES DAMN YOU. (I tease.) Keep in mind my little note above -- it's a very oddly structured album but not impenetrable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

if only i had the money these days to buy drugs

late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
The album's gone platinum in the States and is still in the top ten. I am merry. And it's still my album of the year at this point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE THEM LIVE OH MY GOD GO!!"

OTM. Seen them in Düsseldorf last week, they're pretty amazing.

StanM (StanM), Monday, 12 June 2006 05:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The first memory I have of Tool was when I was 16 or 17, and my friend played me that Aenema record, saying how great the band is. I remember staring at the hologram cover, thinking "People actually think this cover is cool?!". When I heard the actual music, it fitted the cover perfectly. Now, I don't have anything against hologram covers per se, but like with prog wankery, I can appreciate them only if they're light-hearted and fun. Because no matter how "deep" and "dark" you try to make it look, it's still a fucking hologram cover!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 12 June 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

b-b-but Tuomas if you flip the "deep" "dark" insert around it's an animated picture of a guy sucking his own dick while the band sits on a couch in front of him, with the lead singer stark naked standing up to throw an apparently (ahem)used tissue onto the floor. There's nothing fun about that?

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, plus recipes for cookies laced with turkish hash...recited in german!

latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, okay, maybe you just have a different idea of "fun".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

tool should totally make their next album an epic concept piece about frolicking in the snow with photogenic finnish friends

latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:31 (seventeen years ago) link

;-)

latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

They invented a fake religion! The drummer was in Green Jello! The singer was the voice of the pigs on that Green Jello song about the Three Little Pigs! I seriously doubt that these guys hate fun.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe everyone didn't completely shit on this album - I say this as a fan of the previous two. This one is a dreadful rehash, that spends as least as much time mucking about in formless ambient goo as it does in limp (and even kinda Limp) "rock-out" segments. And Maynard's lyrics are worse than ever (and don't start on "Wings for Marie" either, 'cause tragic subject matter doesn't excuse poor lyricism!) and the only new ingredient besides poor found-sound is the addition of abortive sub-"Graceland" hand drumming.

Keep at the vineyard, Keenan, don't mind the studio.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

See, I like A Perfect Circle too, so I still am in the demographic for the new one.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I also like APC! I didn't bother with the covers album, mind.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

rolling stone luvz the lyrics:


"Tool's dense, often quasi-religious lyrics have always been among the most overwrought in mainstream metal -- no small feat. But the music has such anthemic power that even the most cynical listener can find himself chanting along to lines like "To ascend, you must die!/You must be crucified!"

On 10,000 Days, their fourth album, Tool maintain a level of craftsmanship and virtuosity unparalleled in metal. On the opener, "Vicarious," the quartet reprises its primary formula, which dates back to the 1993 debut, Undertow: Each player keeps his own syncopated version of the central groove until they unite for the first of many spine-tingling crescendos -- then, just as sharply, the foursome de-crescendos into a brooding instrumental jam, as the rhythmic and melodic lines meander and cross until the next explosion. The web of shifting dynamics and time signatures sounds so primal, so visceral, that any lyrical message seems incredibly important.

Singer Maynard Keenan's operatic vocals, alternately simmering and shrill, are more personal and less pretentious here than ever before. The album title refers to the time between when Keenan's mother became paralyzed in the 1980s and when she died, in 2003, an experience that inspires some of Keenan's most poignant lyrics yet ("10,000 days in the fire is long enough/You're going home"). More than fifteen years into Tool's career, he has composed words with the depth and resonance to match the music."

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"On 10,000 Days, their fourth album, Tool maintain a level of craftsmanship and virtuosity unparalleled in metal."


no comment.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

But they're experts at RS, it must be true!

Simon: I really kinda mainline Tool at this point -- I hesitate to say they do no wrong, but anyway. Like I mentioned above, my initial listens were a bit deflating, but then I caught the 'mood' of the album, for lack of a better term, and it all made sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I *might* be able to *maybe* understand why people would like it, but it just sounds so damn boring to me. Also, in a few songs, I keep hearing a main riff from "Third Eye" popping up. then again I'm not sure there's any riff that song didn't hit!

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

There was something in The Guardian's TV guide section this week about Tool playing Britain and they were described as "average heavy metal".


Whatever your feelings towards them that description is just wrong. I would have thought The Guardian could afford to employ more kowledgable writers.

mei (mei), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I've always hated Tool -- they're so relentlessly grimy, unpleasant, and self-important, in that high-school-theater-tech-guy-in-a-trenchcoat-and-fedora-who-really-likes-Fight Club kind of way.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

nah man, they got a pretty silly sense of themselves.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Monday, 12 June 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

That's another thing -- their alleged sense of humor is fucking awful. Like if somebody took Monty Python, completely missed the point, and stripped out all the craft and timing that makes the absurdity work. In short, it's the kind of sense of humor a person with no sense of humor cultivates in order to seem Wacky and Different.

It's worse than the rest of their authorial voice, if that's possible.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of an 'alleged sense of humor'...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Pessi, i have a feeling you take Tool alot more seriously then they take themselves.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The whole thing is too damn visceral for me -- "Hey, look over there", they're like. "Some unsanitary stuff and a dead rat. That's what's fucking REAL, man. That's what life is about. Your beard forces itself through your fucking SKIN, man. You have holes in your skin where your beard grows. Right through. And that rat's still dead, man. That rat's just going to keep on being dead. And anyone who's not talking about a dead rat is just WHITEWASHING shit, man."

Whereas I think a lot of people noticed the dead rat. It's just that most of us don't find it at all pleasant or interesting, and even most of the rest of us never thought to use it as an excuse to feel superior to people. People don't need to be felt superior to. We're just over there doing a thing, okay, Tool? You can leave us alone now.

You have your dead rat to occupy you, right?

And maybe you can hold up the rat as though it were a puppet and, apropos of nothing, deliver a monologue in a fake rat voice about God and turnips or something else which is OMG Completely Random. That will show people that you are Well-Rounded and Not Too Serious. Nice work, Tool.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

yah and their music sucks too!

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

People don't need to be felt superior to.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

real serious buncha guys:

http://toolshed.down.net/pix/10k_promo/02.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

If I hate the authorial voice, who cares about the music? I can't imagine a thing they could do that would outweigh my contempt for the lyrics/persona, even if I did like excessive shouting and big pieces of guitar.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

they suck

ath (ath), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

If I hate the authorial voice, who cares about the music?

THEY ARE A BAND BRO. GOD U R DUMB.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to know five bands with an authorial voice that Pessimist can respect.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Rammstein
2. Laibach
3. O-Zone
4. Rednex
5. Megadeth

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, your argumentative skills certainly degenerated quickly.

How about this for an exercise. Give me the lyrics of one Tool song. Any Tool song. Then try to act like they're defensible.

Pessimist (Pessimist), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- Imagine the mash-up!

"Du Cotton-Eyed Liquid Leiben...BUT WHO'S BUYING?"

How about this for an exercise. Give me the lyrics of one Tool song.

You fail. (We're here to talk about music, not your fucking poetry slams.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

"I really like Song X."

"IF THERE'S NO REAL MEANING IN THE LYRICS THEN IT MEANS NOTHING! AND NO REAL HUMOR EITHER!"

"..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey TOOL wrote a song about Pessimist !

Tool - Hooker With a Penis

I met a boy wearing vans, 501s, and a
Dope beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was ogt,
From 92,
The first ep.

And in between
Sips of coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin out,
Layin down,
Suckin up
To the man.

Well now Ive got some
A-dvice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger
You should know that
Im the man,

And if Im the man,
Then youre the man, and
Hes the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what Ive sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

So Ive got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
Im the man,
If Im the fuckin man
Then youre the fuckin man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what Ive sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on tv
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

So...shut up and

Buy my new record
Send more money
Fuck you, buddy.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link


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