on multiple levels probably
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 07:38 (thirteen years ago) link
actually i think we can just go ahead and say that contenderizer is incredibly embarrassing for ilx
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 07:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish he were the only one, is the thing
― max, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link
ouch, y'all
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link
offtm. Forever...
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:21 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:23 (thirteen years ago) link
altho i do think your opinions on prr are o_O
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link
thing is, i think all kinds of stupid shit! this is not notable. ask deej...
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i like clipse. axe somebody.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i like clipse too
just not 'hell hath no fury'
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:27 (thirteen years ago) link
plus - being drunk i'll admit this - i just like liking the wrong thing. it's the armond white in me.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link
hell hath no fury hath nothing on lord willin, i just wanna believe, you know?
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i just like liking the wrong thing
in other words, trollin', as i said and stand by w/r/t this thing
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link
it doesn't feel like trolling from here. and i understand that i'm savaging what shreds might remain of my theoretical ILX credibility, but i can't help it, you know? must challop...
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link
wouldn't mind the trolling if your posts were shorter tbh (and I mean this with a ;) )
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:37 (thirteen years ago) link
word count is an issue. has been brought to my attention before.
e.g., nyah, haterz, suck it
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:44 (thirteen years ago) link
nyah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE4EFFDCbNw
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:46 (thirteen years ago) link
different nyah
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Bret Easton Ellis on this thread because so much of PRR's style seems like bad Ellis - rambling, affectless listing of social details (with lots of paragraphs that begin so… and… and… and… continue like this) that purport to provide insight into a scene but really just tell you stuff you already know. He's going to wear out these novice-blogger scenarios pretty quickly though: trying to get into a club, doing a bad interview, etc.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
imagine how excruciating the blog post detailing PRR guy's first line of coke will be
:(
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
uhhhh why the fuck don't YOU go and read it? it's not as though most people's journalism is hidden away on some obscure tumblr. please don't say you have to be spoonfed writing by ilxors to pay attention to it - though that would totally explain why you think this dude is all that
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
fair bitch, but i'm being sincere. people on ILM love to post the most hideous "music journalism" they can dig up. would like to see a few more threads dedicated to worthwhile writing. yea, because i'm lazy, but also because it'd be nice to have a forum for talking up what's great, as well as shooting down what's bad.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. He also reminds me of James Frey, bio-maker-upper extraordinaire and author of "A Million Little Pieces". "Then I went to the cafeteria and put eight slices of bacon on my plate and ten pancakes and I poured syrup on them. Then I sat down by myself and ate the bacon and the pancakes. I was still hungry so I went back through the line. There were other men there, and one of them wore a black bandana that covered his right ear. He chose three pancakes and took a cup of black coffee. I took five more pancakes and some orange juice and poured syrup over the pancakes and sat down again."
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link
(that was xpost to Dorian)
happy never to have read james frey so that i can enjoy unmolested the sui generis brilliance of pitchfork reviews reviews lol
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link
If the guy's smart he should cash in on the current interest in indie/hipster anthropology by rushing out a voice-of-his-generation rites-of-passage novel set in Williamsburg. People would lap that shit up.
xpost I loathed Frey's book but it had a similar effect on some people - "What an original voice! He cuts through the bullshit!" etc - before it turned out he was just purveying a different brand of bullshit.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, his interview with Avey Tare reminded me of the end of Almost Famous where the kid, after all that he's seen and learned, finally gets the chance to interview Billy Crudup, turns on the tape recorder and his first question is something like, "What do you love most about music?" And we're meant to find it endearing and deep and out-of-the-mouths-of-babes.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, but i felt like his questions to avey were supposed to read as "i am a giant dork and i don't know how to relate to people."
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link
But it's all so stylised that his giant dorkishness is part of the pitch - self-deprecation is such a standard ploy for self-obsessed writers now that I don't really believe it most of the time.
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed, fair enough
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:06 (thirteen years ago) link
would like to see a few more threads dedicated to worthwhile writing. yea, because i'm lazy, but also because it'd be nice to have a forum for talking up what's great, as well as shooting down what's bad
i post great writing all the time, usually in the relevant artist/genre threads. one that springs to mind is http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=76396 - that album seemed to catalyse lots of amazing pieces
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link
doesn't that usually bring up the thread title? uh. http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=76396
The thing is that this thread is kind of the criticism equivalent of the "lol unicorns" thread about HOOM--I don't know if any of those 20 great music writers Whiney mentioned would want individual threads 95% of which were devoted to trashing them and the two posters who defend them.
― Drastic times require what? Drastic measures! Who said that? T (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:15 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, so i dug through that longish rhianna thread and found the ann powers and [other] reviews that i think lex was tipping towards. ann powers is solid, the other is, uh [other]. (hey, no offense, as nabisco said, it either works for you or it don't.) honestly, i don't think either has the distinctive voice or story construction chops that PRR dude brings to bear, but that's just me. fire away...
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:25 (thirteen years ago) link
why does music criticism need to be about story construction
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:25 (thirteen years ago) link
well, it doesn't. i don't give a shit about PRR as crit. it's totally useless as crit. i read it as music-centric fiction. music-centric young adult fiction, not to put too fine a point on ot. and as such, like harry potter with kyp malone instead of severus snape, i think it's pretty ace.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link
edit: not to put too fine a point on ott
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link
so what's your point
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link
like harry potter with kyp malone instead of severus snape
this is praise?
it's comforting to know that a PRR fan dislikes good writing, re: the rihanna pieces! they must be doing something right.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, that came off snappy. but it's like saying "man, sontag just doesn't have the attention to detail that james frey does." why are you comparing the two. and sorry, if your best defense is to approach it as "music-centric harry potter" I don't think you've mounted a very sterling defense or PRR
xp
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link
umm, it's praise of a sort?
and hey, the ann powers piece is totally solid, no complaints. didn't blow me away, but i respect it and am not cutting it down at all. wouldn't choose myself to compare it with PRR. they're aiming for very different effects & audiences.
anyway, i wonder if PRR has any appeal for those without an abiding love of (perhaps overly sentimental) young adult/coming of age fiction.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
cuz that's the spirit in which i take it. thinking i love you, junie moon.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link
comparing it to harry potter was meant to read as comic self-deprecation, just so's we're square
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:42 (thirteen years ago) link
think your digging yourself into a hole here tbh
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:47 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, no sweat. i'm pretty okay with liking stuff that sensible people abhor.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:59 (thirteen years ago) link
listening to hidden hand and lords of the new church tonight.
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:00 (thirteen years ago) link
note to self: stop digging
― having taken an actual journalism class (contenderizer), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i think contenderizer is onto something - i like reading this guy's stuff cuz they're just these weird little stories too... it doesnt have to like, replace good music criticism. it's just something else. still not sure why it makes everyone's BLOOD BOIL
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i'm not sure if i really want to engage with 'u mad'-type stuff but usually when i learn about a new internet site i can at least grasp the gravity of it, whether i like it or not--hro is a decent example of this--but with this guy i just have no idea what separates and elevates him from like a million other bloggers, except i guess that he has successfully "done meta"
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean maybe i'm missing the part where he's been acclaimed the greatest music critic of his era, like, where is this dude being so overhyped? besides getting to occasionally write for 'the awl'
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link