Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

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The point here is that this rascist argument is being used again and again by talentless (mainly white) fans with no knowledge of true music at all, to put down people who do actually have musical skills that they, personally, don't understand.

In the late 70s, people who appreciated better and more complex music would be written off as "old", "Irrelevant" or whatever the punks said. Today the rascist argument has replaced that one.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir I don't like ripping on someone like this, since all I think all opinions are important. They derive from one's experience, emotional reactions and what one desires from music. Your opinions would be more valuable if you used more than a single criteria to judge music, if there was a modicum of mystery to how you value things. Instead, you implies that the amount of complexity in melody and the lack of rhythmic focus is all the matters.

Anyone who can tell if there is a complex melody on a song or loud instruments never needs to hear what you have to say ever again. Cuz you're never going to say "that lyric really gets to me" or "it makes me want to dance" or "I love the way he says 'culture'" or draw anything to our attention aside from the extremely obvious. You have no ability to value any opinion aside from your own, or at least have no desire to express that appreciation. You're acting like a slide rule.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

haha - I got the Geirbot in Alex in NYC 'listen junior' mode!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

how bout this Geirbot SS2000 - when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

In Latin they call this a non sequitor.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

no, that rhythmic stuf fucks with your ability to rite in the Kween's english. Trus mee.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

actually they call it a non sequitur

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-three years ago)

[/pedantry]

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I know whutcha sayin' Ant'ny. Ev'ry time I listen to that bump-de-bum-bump, all my ability to appreciate formal structure flies right out the window, and I'm given over to my baser instincts. It's like I become an animal. Like a gorilla or somethin'.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

So, with all the beautiful and sometimes very complex melodies and harmonies in jazz, Geir, do you completely disavow that music?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn you, Amateurist! I'll get you next time!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I commented on jazz in another thread. I dislike the improvisation and lack of obvious precomposed melodies in jazz. On the other hand, I love the complex harmonies in jazz.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I can't really fault someone for not enjoying the improvisation, even though it encompasses a lot of what I find exciting about music, but there are so many classic "obviously precomposed" melodies in jazz. Donna Lee or Anthropology for example, or all of Wayne Shorter's tunes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Wayne Shorter is a good example. "Heavy Weather" is a great album

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I prefer his acoustic stuff though, Speak No Evil is esp. brilliant.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Geirbot SS2000 - asking you whether your black friends really just listen to the music you say they listen to is based on a pathetic premise how? (are you saying your dodges are prinicipled now?)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-three years ago)

''When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.''

say what they are and arg abt these premises but you won't bcz its far easier to actually keep talking abt your 'theories'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

but anyway fuck this. I'll just post the lyrics to wire's 'Mannequin':

''You're a waste of space
No natural grace
You're so bloody thin
You don't even begin

To interest me, not even curiosity
It's not animosity, it's just you don't interest me

You're an energy void
A black hole to avoid
No style no heart
You don't even start''

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir many of the people who are arguing with you happen to be very talented. speking for myself and myself only, i make my living as a music writer and try my best to be a good one, covering a wide range of different styles. I understand melody, harmony and chord structures as well as you but I also understand many other things such as rhythm and emotion. You have just shown yourself up to be not only hopelessy blinkered and ethically suspect, but also as an arrogant and obnoxious fuckwit...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not basing this on "my black friends" anyway (rather the American R&B charts), so that question is impossible to answer.

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se? In other words, it would be like asking why nobody bought fiction books based on the NY Times bestseller list for *nonfiction* -- get it?

And finally, you stepped in a stupid fucking field of landmines by starting a thread on race in which you argued that race shouldn't be looked at and simultaneously made absurd assumptions (like R&B chart = sample of black people's listening rather than of people who listen to R&B's listening) premised on racial differences.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, I think the first thing on pt II that he said was that race has nothing to do with music (just like sex on another one as well)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

geir hongro = norwegian dood

-- gygax! (gygax0...), April 2nd, 2003.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Geir genuinely thinks that Class Part 2 talked about the implicit racism of radio-friendly British pop-rock bands. Maybe the term "indie" is confusing because it means something different in Europe (esp. Britain) than it does in America. But Geir, the topic mostly centered on American Indie Rock, and its divorce from popular culture at large (which, in America, is very saturated with "black" elements). Maybe a few people were making accusations that American Indie Rock *suffered* from not incorporating these elements. But a lot of us were just trying to analyze the cultural phenomenon. Your comments weren't quite appropriate because you labored under false assumptions (see above) and your unfamiliarity with a) American indie rock and b) African-American culture make you sorta unqualified to critique our points. It'd be like if you started a thread on Norwegian musical tastes: I might be curious about the topic, but I wouldn't deign to argue about it, since I know very little about it (although that Norwegian Top 40 was very amusing). See what I mean?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

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James Blount really knows how to fry an egg
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― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

wasn't he already warned about this on another thread?

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

(you're going to need a bigger boat. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

(I've gotta be here all day, cal. - mod)

― Trolling along, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

*pump*

― Mister Blobby, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, it's been said about every other thread but c'mon, this thread is SO obviously troll.

Geir = funny (If unintentionally)

Geir hate = lame

― David Allen, Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay Geir do you understand that the R&B charts are the charts FOR the music you dislike, and not FOR black people per se?

They are based on certain record stores, that have mainly a black audience.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah yes, black record stores like Columbia House, Amazon.com, Best Buy, and Tower.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:21 (twenty-three years ago)

*chokes and laffs*

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir, I asked this in a thread recently but it got lost in the shuffle: What do you think about Cuban music?

― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't really know enough about Cuban music to have an opinion (never saw that movie..).
Usually, Latin American music is able to combine rhythm and melody in a great way.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 25 April 2003 08:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Humility from Geir--astonishing. If only he had exhibited this trait on the country thread, I wouldn't have got my blood pressure up.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir, for starters you should get the Buena Vista Social Club album. It's got most of the Cuban greats on it, at times all on one track. There are fully compose, ORIGINAL songs: I think you might actually like it. :-)

― buttch (Oops), Friday, 25 April 2003 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...

Like a supernova, he appeared before us, luminous and awesome, and then just as quickly he disappeared.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I miss Geir

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

a CHAMPAGNE supernova

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

he's posted like once or twice since he was disappeared by the rhythm nation. I keep hoping (heh, fearing) it'll be more than a cameo, but nothing yet.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Like a supernova, he appeared before us, luminous and awesome, and then just as quickly he disappeared.
...and came close to annihilating everything around him...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this struck me as geir-esque albeit even more trolly and unapprised.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Geir was ever trolly.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Whats A.M.A? And what did Geir do in 1995? (height of Britpop wasnt it?)

― Rickshawman, Friday, 29 August 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

alt.music.alternative

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Usually, Latin American music is able to combine rhythm and melody in a great way.

This is sensible enough.

― Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember an AMA argument, where someone pointed out that david gilmour's guitar playing in "shine on, you crazy diamond" was largely blues-based -- this was after geir had said something about pink floyd's alleged "european" melodies and that they worked in the "european classical" tradition or something like that. gilmour's guitar playing on "SOYCD" was brought up to counter that assertion, and most AMA'ers agreed. except geir, who kept sputtering on and on not only about pink floyd's adherence to "european" musical forms but that gilmour's guitar playing on "SOYCD" was also "european."

i didn't know what to make of geir's "arguments" then -- i still don't five years later, to be honest with you.

― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 29 August 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

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